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JJM wrote:What made Polk so great?

only president to fulfill all his campaign promises. whether by doing so he made america better is another topic...

SultanOfSurreal wrote:

JJM wrote:What made Polk so great?

only president to fulfill all his campaign promises. whether by doing so he made america better is another topic...

Meh. I mean, he got us a lot of land, but he was dishonest by saying that the first shot was fired in "USA Texas" to Congress to get the war to start. But he got the US to its current size and acquired a helluva lot of land, so i give 'im props for that.

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the.killing.44 wrote:

SultanOfSurreal wrote:

JJM wrote:What made Polk so great?

only president to fulfill all his campaign promises. whether by doing so he made america better is another topic...

Meh. I mean, he got us a lot of land, but he was dishonest by saying that the first shot was fired in "USA Texas" to Congress to get the war to start. But he got the US to its current size and acquired a helluva lot of land, so i give 'im props for that.

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He lied in order to git us all that land and he wanted to continue Andrew Jackson policy. In fact his nickname was young hickory.

JJM wrote:What made Polk so great?

Didn't he invent Polka music?

And polka.com

back on topic people!

clapper011 wrote:back on topic people!

yes

quickpoll: are the 13 people who voted for reagan simply ignorant of history or are they genuine retards

SultanOfSurreal wrote:

clapper011 wrote:back on topic people!

yes

quickpoll: are the 13 people who voted for reagan simply ignorant of history or are they genuine retards

your stupided always keeps me entertained but no i did not pick reagon i would not put him up on my top 3 but then again lincon and fdr are not in my top 10 at all

A surprising number of people are fans, even some intelligent and informed ones.
I know. I found it hard to believe.

targetman377 wrote:your stupided always keeps me entertained but no i did not pick reagon i would not put him up on my top 3 but then again lincon and fdr are not in my top 10 at all

wow fascinating

SultanOfSurreal wrote:

targetman377 wrote:your stupided always keeps me entertained but no i did not pick reagon i would not put him up on my top 3 but then again lincon and fdr are not in my top 10 at all

wow fascinating

Targetman is eloquence incarnate.

Tough one for me...I like both Roosevelts. Teddy is a what a conservative should be, and F.D.R. handled the depression and WWII pretty damn well.

jonesthecurl wrote:Polk may have grabbed a lot of land, but that's seen as a bad thing in most cases.

Like Tibet? Checkoslovakia? Poland? Kuwait?

What made Polk so great?

only president to fulfill all his campaign promises. whether by doing so he made america better is another topic...

Meh. I mean, he got us a lot of land, but he was dishonest by saying that the first shot was fired in "USA Texas" to Congress to get the war to start. But he got the US to its current size and acquired a helluva lot of land, so i give 'im props for that.

He lied in order to git us all that land and he wanted to continue Andrew Jackson policy. In fact his nickname was young hickory.

SultanOfSurreal wrote:
quickpoll: are the 13 people who voted for reagan simply ignorant of history or are they genuine retards

now it's 14. sigh

the discussion on Dakota got me interested -

presidents have come from 21 of the 50 states - so is this a inbuilt bias in the political system?

and why wasn't Clinton included in your poll?

1. George Washington (1789-97) Virginia
2. John Adams (1797-1801) Massachusetts
3. Thomas Jefferson (1801-09) Virginia
4. James Madison (1809-17) Virginia
5. James Monroe (1817-25) Virginia
6. John Quincy Adams (1825-29) Massachusetts
7. Andrew Jackson (1829-37) South Carolina
8. Martin Van Buren (1837-41) New York
9. William Henry Harrison (1841) Virginia
10. John Tyler (1841-45) Virginia
11. James K. Polk (1845-49) North Carolina
12. Zachary Taylor (1849-50) Virginia
13. Millard Fillmore (1850-53) New York
14. Franklin Pierce (1853-57) New Hampshire
15. James Buchanan (1857-61) Pennsylvania
16. Abraham Lincoln (1861-65) Kentucky
17. Andrew Johnson (1865-69) North Carolina
18. Ulysses S. Grant (1869-77) Ohio
19. Rutherford B. Hayes (1877-81) Ohio
20. James A. Garfield (1881) Ohio
21. Chester A. Arthur (1881-85) Vermont
22. Grover Cleveland (1885-89) New Jersey
23. Benjamin Harrison (1889-93) Ohio
24. Grover Cleveland (1893-97) New Jersey
25. William McKinley (1897-1901) Ohio
26. Theodore Roosevelt (1901-09) New York
27. William H. Taft (1909-13) Ohio
28. Woodrow Wilson (1913-21) Virginia
29. Warren G. Harding (1921-23) Ohio
30. Calvin Coolidge (1923-29) Vermont
31. Herbert Hoover (1929-33) Iowa
32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-45) New York
33. Harry S. Truman (1945-53) Missouri
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-61) Texas
35. John F. Kennedy (1961-63) Massachusetts
36. Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-69) Texas
37. Richard M. Nixon (1969-74) California
38. Gerald R. Ford (1974-77) Nebraska
39. Jimmy Carter (1977-81) Georgia
40. Ronald Reagan (1981-89) Illinois
41. George Bush (1989-93) Massachusetts
42. William J. Clinton (1993-2001) Arkansas
43. George W. Bush (2001-2008) Connecticut
44. Barack Obama (2009 -) Hawaii

On the question of where Presidents came from, It woulda been difficult, for instance, for a pres to come from (say) California in the early 1800's...

There's an argument that FDR's policies did not help get us out of the Great Depression. Those people argue that World War Two got us out of the Great Depression. Which, frankly, I agree with... however, FDR got us involved in World War Two (by the way, we were involved before Pearl Harbor)... so, his policies actually did help us out of the Great Depression.

In any event, Lincoln's handling of the Civil War gives him a bump for me. Washington was a great man and a great general (and really lucky), but I'm not sure he was that great of a president (compared to Lincoln, for example).

At the risk of being subject to nonsensical abuse with no backup information (from the good Sultan)... What was wrong with President Reagan?

Space lasers. Anything he ever did relating to science.

Illinois would also like to claim Lincoln and Obama thank you.

That's REAGAN, OBAMA and LINCOLN.
Other states, are you even trying to make great leaders?

Captain_Scarlet wrote:the discussion on Dakota got me interested -

presidents have come from 21 of the 50 states - so is this a inbuilt bias in the political system?

and why wasn't Clinton included in your poll?

1. George Washington (1789-97) Virginia
2. John Adams (1797-1801) Massachusetts
3. Thomas Jefferson (1801-09) Virginia
4. James Madison (1809-17) Virginia
5. James Monroe (1817-25) Virginia
6. John Quincy Adams (1825-29) Massachusetts
7. Andrew Jackson (1829-37) South Carolina
8. Martin Van Buren (1837-41) New York
9. William Henry Harrison (1841) Virginia
10. John Tyler (1841-45) Virginia
11. James K. Polk (1845-49) North Carolina
12. Zachary Taylor (1849-50) Virginia
13. Millard Fillmore (1850-53) New York
14. Franklin Pierce (1853-57) New Hampshire
15. James Buchanan (1857-61) Pennsylvania
16. Abraham Lincoln (1861-65) Kentucky
17. Andrew Johnson (1865-69) North Carolina
18. Ulysses S. Grant (1869-77) Ohio
19. Rutherford B. Hayes (1877-81) Ohio
20. James A. Garfield (1881) Ohio
21. Chester A. Arthur (1881-85) Vermont
22. Grover Cleveland (1885-89) New Jersey
23. Benjamin Harrison (1889-93) Ohio
24. Grover Cleveland (1893-97) New Jersey
25. William McKinley (1897-1901) Ohio
26. Theodore Roosevelt (1901-09) New York
27. William H. Taft (1909-13) Ohio
28. Woodrow Wilson (1913-21) Virginia
29. Warren G. Harding (1921-23) Ohio
30. Calvin Coolidge (1923-29) Vermont
31. Herbert Hoover (1929-33) Iowa
32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-45) New York
33. Harry S. Truman (1945-53) Missouri
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-61) Texas
35. John F. Kennedy (1961-63) Massachusetts
36. Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-69) Texas
37. Richard M. Nixon (1969-74) California
38. Gerald R. Ford (1974-77) Nebraska
39. Jimmy Carter (1977-81) Georgia
40. Ronald Reagan (1981-89) Illinois
41. George Bush (1989-93) Massachusetts
42. William J. Clinton (1993-2001) Arkansas
43. George W. Bush (2001-2008) Connecticut
44. Barack Obama (2009 -) Hawaii

Ohhhhhh........please don't list G.W. as being from Connecticut I'm from there, and I would rather have no Presidents from my state than that one. Let's just call him a Texan and blame them for Bush.

CN voted against Bush both times didn't they? Just cause he was born there doesn't make him from there.
Texas is to blame.

So the listing of the states are the states they were born in? It didnt make sense as I thought Lincoln and Obama were from Illinois, Bush Sr from Texas, and Reagan from California. I also thought Taft was from Massachusetts.

notyou2 wrote:So the listing of the states are the states they were born in? It didnt make sense as I thought Lincoln and Obama were from Illinois, Bush Sr from Texas, and Reagan from California. I also thought Taft was from Massachusetts.

Yep, ones they were born in.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

notyou2 wrote:So the listing of the states are the states they were born in? It didnt make sense as I thought Lincoln and Obama were from Illinois, Bush Sr from Texas, and Reagan from California. I also thought Taft was from Massachusetts.

Yep, ones they were born in.

Actually Lincoln was born in Kentucky, Obama was born in Hawaii, and Bush Sr was born in Massachusetts. And sadly as much as it pains me Little Georgie Bush was born in my home state of Connecticut.

neanderpaul14 wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:

notyou2 wrote:So the listing of the states are the states they were born in? It didnt make sense as I thought Lincoln and Obama were from Illinois, Bush Sr from Texas, and Reagan from California. I also thought Taft was from Massachusetts.

Yep, ones they were born in.

Actually Lincoln was born in Kentucky, Obama was born in Hawaii, and Bush Sr was born in Massachusetts. And sadly as much as it pains me Little Georgie Bush was born in my home state of Connecticut.

I know, I was going off the list a few posts earlier.