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Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:15 am
by Scott-Land
suggs wrote:jiminski wrote:Scott-Land wrote:
Surely you can't ride both sides of the fence?
heheh i am really hoping Suggsy can't resist a double intender.
I am too gay.
hehee
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:16 am
by jiminski
suggs wrote:jiminski wrote:Scott-Land wrote:
Surely you can't ride both sides of the fence?
heheh i am really hoping Suggsy can't resist a double intender.
I am too gay.
look at Wickeds last post Suggsy ..... no wonder my Integrated Community Moderated Feedback system (did i mention i made a thread on this? ) bit the dust.. the plan was to impose.. then give us a feeling of victory at the small amendments which we clawed back...
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:17 am
by hulmey
yeti_c wrote:suggs wrote:Fair point, Twill barely said anything of substance.
Until he quite clearly and openly reveals the EXACT nature of why wicked was fired, I'm afraid he is guilty.
He must go.
And you're assuming that the disgruntled ex employee told you exactly what happened to the letter and without a single lie?!
C.
open your eyes dear chap. Twill, can put this baby to rest, if he told every1 why he fired Wicked. But i bet you a dollarthat we wont hear anything from his lips!
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:19 am
by Minister Masket
Stop now. Just stop.
There is nothing more to tell.
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:21 am
by RashidJelzin
wicked wrote:Perhaps some type of community-voted/driven group (board of directors for lack of better term?) would be beneficial? They could be the voice of the community and hold twill accountable, since lack rarely has the time (or desire) to police him. But more importantly, they could be the voice of the community here and a liason for communications purposes. I dunno, just thinking off the top of my head here.
Oh come- on. Don't be driven by petty ambitions for "vengeance". I refrained to call you out on more (since I didn't want to add anymore grief to you), but what the hell? Do we need to write an official ConquerClub constitution? Introduce a parliament to decide over banning trolls from the forum or the chat?
We have a Forum Policy which suffices completely for having the Forums run properly- maybe not in your eyes, and not in the ones' that are sucking up to your "destroy-twill" cause, because you were wronged by the admins or mods... but show some maturity and leave it as it is- people will either see that your right or not.
More and more, this degenerates into a smearing campaign against twill- and more and more, I find it hard to believe you.
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:24 am
by wicked
sorry Rashid, was just trying to brainstorm ideas to get the community-driven site (as defined by admins) more community driven. maybe not the best idea, but certainly a talking point. And if telling the truth smears twill, then so be it. I've no loyalty to him, I no longer have to publicly support him. All I'm doing is telling my story.
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:25 am
by sam_levi_11
suggs, LOL at the both sides of the fence comeback
also im suprised t-willy hasnt just deleted this, or come out with a worthwhile statement
"all she is doing is selling her story, a story of hurt and betrayal, WICKED : THE CC DAYS. In a book store near you!"
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:28 am
by qeee1
Dancing Mustard wrote:qeee1 wrote: whether a paraphrase of likely dialogue or a reconstruction of past dialogue, it's irrelevant, as it's still wrong.
Well that's not what you said the first time you replied to it; but sure, why not change your stance now?
Well I misinterpreted you the first time, but then there was no context given so the misinterpretation was understandable. And no, I'm not changing my stance. I'm adding another argument based on my new understanding of the situation; one that is perfectly consistent with my first argument.
qeee1 wrote:2. that claiming that the site could be improved through democratic consultation prior to mods being fired is silly- this you ignored
Oh "Puhlease".
Smug though you may feel about your pedantic insistence on having people paraphrase you in tedious detail; nobody was ever seriously arguing against you on that point, so your making it was (1) irrelevant, and (2) self-evident.
Well I do think it's relevant and apparently not self evident as you didn't get it the first time round. You don't construct some sort of paraphrase on some issue having me repeating the same point over and over (looking like an imbecile) when in fact I made a second point relevant to the issue. A more accurate paraphrase would have been:
qeee1 wrote:We don't have any rights man. There's nothing we can do.
suggs wrote:Yeah, but we ought to have more rights. After all, isn't this place supposed to be about making a good experience for us?
qeee1 wrote:Well no, in certain situations those rights are not viable (example)
qeee1 wrote:Also stop saying mean things, that really hurts.
I can assure you that I too am cut deeply by such things. So don't worry, we can suffer together.
If I try to be anything, it's amusing, is that a crime?
As for democratic accountability, you can't expect the admins to disclose everything to you, nor can you expect every decision to be a popular one. In this case I've yet to be convinced of a problem, although it does sound like there are problems in other areas, as wicked pointed out.
P.S. Pretensions of intellect, isn't that a tad hypocritical?
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:29 am
by Frop
wicked wrote:sorry Rashid, was just trying to brainstorm ideas to get the community-driven site (as defined by admins) more community driven. maybe not the best idea, but certainly a talking point. And if telling the truth smears twill, then so be it. I've no loyalty to him, I no longer have to publicly support him. All I'm doing is telling my story.
A couple of links for you that will come in handy...
fact and
opinion.
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:32 am
by Neoteny
qeee1 wrote:As for democratic accountability, you can't expect the admins to disclose everything to you, nor can you expect every decision to be a popular one. In this case I've yet to be convinced of a problem, although it does sound like there are problems in other areas, as wicked pointed out.
We might not be able to expect it, though it would be nice. I don't see any harm coming from full disclosure of this issue, as I doubt it'll be revealing valuable business information or anything like that. At most it would reveal the ineptitude of one of the two (or both) parties. I see the unwillingness to do so as possibly telling.
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:35 am
by hulmey
Frop wrote:wicked wrote:sorry Rashid, was just trying to brainstorm ideas to get the community-driven site (as defined by admins) more community driven. maybe not the best idea, but certainly a talking point. And if telling the truth smears twill, then so be it. I've no loyalty to him, I no longer have to publicly support him. All I'm doing is telling my story.
A couple of links for you that will come in handy...
fact and
opinion.
another masterful post by a muppet. I was quite surprised coz you actually nearly wrote 2 sentences
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:37 am
by suggs
so i just got a Pm from Twill for flaming in this thread. Seems a bit harsh.
Normally i dont tittle tattle about Mod warnings (its usually a fair cop) but the gloves are off with Twil now.
Lets disclose everything he does, fair or not.
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:38 am
by suggs
wicked wrote:quee, I wasn't talking specifically about mod dismissal, but in general.
re: the feedback. I posted a thread awhile back asking for community input about what they wanted out of a feedback system. The purpose was to get input as we worked on redesigning the system. At the time, I oversaw the feedback dept. and handled escalated/appealed feedback complaints, so I saw no problem in starting the discussion to gather input since it was my area (It would be like gimil starting a discussion about maps). After all, we were redesigning it for you all so you all should be involved in the process. So I made a thread, organized it, stickied it, and compiled the info as it came in. Lack thanked me for starting the thread, but Twill threw a hissy fit being the control freak that he is because it didn't go "through him". Twill's idea was to come up with a new system first, w/o any input from you guys, and only then throw it out for comments (I found this out after I made the thread). While that may have worked, I find it's more efficient for some things to get input at the beginning of the planning stages, rather than at the end.
Thanks Jim.
Unbelievable! So the whole consultation thing was a sham?
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:45 am
by wicked
No wasn't a sham at all. Where'd you get that?
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:45 am
by Neoteny
wicked wrote:yeti_c wrote:Comments like this are a good way to state your case...
Some of your other comments have seemed very childish - which really is beneath you Wicked.
C.
<mod edit>that's confidential<mod edit>
Everything I've said has been the truth, in the interest of getting the information out there.
Did I miss something?
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:47 am
by wicked
Neoteny wrote:wicked wrote:yeti_c wrote:Comments like this are a good way to state your case...
Some of your other comments have seemed very childish - which really is beneath you Wicked.
C.
<mod edit>that's confidential<mod edit>
Everything I've said has been the truth, in the interest of getting the information out there.
Did I miss something?
LMAO!!!!
thanks for pointing that out. ahh looking for reasons to ban me I guess?
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:47 am
by suggs
Ah. Perhaps I should have read it properly.
Still, its a bloody outrage, something rotten in this fair kingdom *splutters incoherently in feeble attempt to mask embarrassing inability to read English*
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:54 am
by sam_levi_11
what?
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:02 pm
by The1exile
suggs wrote:something rotten in this fair kingdom
Denmark?
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:04 pm
by wicked
so what'd you get warned for suggsy? I haven't been warned yet, but I imagine it's coming.
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:05 pm
by jermoosalem
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:07 pm
by Grooveman2007
Lyme's is a tough illness, I had that for weeks a few years back. Hope you get well soon. I think it's safe to say we all will miss you.
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:07 pm
by jermoosalem
The1exile wrote:suggs wrote:something rotten in this fair kingdom
Denmark?
this state is out of joint
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:09 pm
by danodukebb
not paying anymore money to a site who doesnt give a f*ck about it's employees or customers
f*ck you twill too
Re: And now, the rest of the story...
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:11 pm
by Scott-Land
danodukebb wrote:not paying anymore money to a site who doesnt give a f*ck about it's employees or customers
f*ck you twill too
C'mon H5O- these kinds of posts and trolling is in fact the reason for this madness.
