Conquer Club

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This is a bit of a philosophical question...

I have many times been caught up in the "inexorable quest for points". Fame and glory, recognition etc...

However, this type of worldview, means that I play a protectionist game style - I play the same maps on the same settings, mainly 1v1 or large terminator games. I join games that have ranks the same or above mine to minimize the points I lose if I lose. I get to a point where I realize I'm not enjoying CC and then I switch to an expansionist game style...

This means learning new maps, trying new game styles... and losing a lot. Now initially I enjoy this, but then my points get lower and lower and nearer to Sergeant 1st Class and then I start to panic and revert back to the protectionist games style... and round and round I go.

I guess this hints towards the following conclusions:

1. We all have a level that we would be at if we didn't care about points (mine would probably be Sergeant 1st Class) and this level gradually increases over time, due to experience.
2. Because we want fame, glory and recognition, we "play it safe", artificially boosting our rank.
3. I have maintained an upper Captain/lower Major rank for about 6 months and I therefore propose that the actual rank of a person is probably 2 ranks lower than the rank that they display to the world.
4. This still means that Colonels (Captains) are better at CC than Majors (Lieutenants) etc...
5. This means that the current ranking system is relevant and accurate at showing who is better at CC.
6. The only important thing is that we enjoy ourselves when we play CC.

Playing tournaments are a real test of ability and are great fun too!

Any thoughts?

TC.

The Chosen wrote:1. We all have a level that we would be at if we didn't care about points (mine would probably be Sergeant 1st Class) and this level gradually increases over time, due to experience.

Sure, but there's a plateau. Skill doesn't rise indefinitely.

The Chosen wrote:2. Because we want fame, glory and recognition, we "play it safe", artificially boosting our rank.

Some of us do, some of us don't. It depends on whether you like variety and want to experience the whole site, or like high scores and prefer to stay in your comfort zone (and I'm not talking about farmers, they are borderline cheaters).

The Chosen wrote:3. I have maintained an upper Captain/lower Major rank for about 6 months and I therefore propose that the actual rank of a person is probably 2 ranks lower than the rank that they display to the world.

You mean, if they play for points. I think being a Major/Colonel is respectable enough, there's too much drama among the General+ crowd.

The Chosen wrote:4. This still means that Colonels (Captains) are better at CC than Majors (Lieutenants) etc...

Depends on how you define "better" and "CC"...

The Chosen wrote:5. This means that the current ranking system is relevant and accurate at showing who is better at CC.

On a macroscopic level, yes, but there are very good players who are medium-ranked, and decent payers who are highly ranked (battle royale, anyone?).

The Chosen wrote:6. The only important thing is that we enjoy ourselves when we play CC.

It is important, but some place their rank at a higher importance. It's possible to derive satisfaction from both.

You don't seem to realize the lengths to which some people will go to get points. You could make some kind of formula about how points are (how much you care about points)*(actual skill), but it would be vague.

The Chosen wrote:Playing tournaments are a real test of ability and are great fun too!

Heck yes.

john9blue wrote:

The Chosen wrote:Playing tournaments are a real test of ability and are great fun too![/size]

Heck yes.

Is there a discrepancy between caring a LOT about your points and being a n00b farmer?
Because I care a lot but I don't want to farm n00bs.

Natewolfman wrote:

john9blue wrote:

The Chosen wrote:Playing tournaments are a real test of ability and are great fun too![/size]

Heck yes.

Indeed, tournaments are amazing!

Personally i don't like tournaments. Maybe it's cuz i've only played one and it turned out to be a horrible experience based on luck of other players.

BUT i do enjoy playing doubles/triples/quads with my family we have an excellent team when we play together i think my reinvented doubles record with my brother is something like 9 for 11 which is pretty damn good if you ask me. Also my trips family record is 3 for 4 or something like that. So basically what im saying is that we friggen rock!!

AND ITS FUN

White Moose wrote:

Natewolfman wrote:

john9blue wrote:

The Chosen wrote:Playing tournaments are a real test of ability and are great fun too![/size]

Heck yes.

Indeed, tournaments are amazing!

john9blue wrote:

The Chosen wrote:1. We all have a level that we would be at if we didn't care about points (mine would probably be Sergeant 1st Class) and this level gradually increases over time, due to experience.

Sure, but there's a plateau. Skill doesn't rise indefinitely.

Actually a recent study has shown that if you practice/do something for 10,000 hours you become an "expert" at it. That is a lot of improving before the plateau is reached.

Downey wrote:Is there a discrepancy between caring a LOT about your points and being a n00b farmer?
Because I care a lot but I don't want to farm n00bs.

You are a n00b dearie...

[quote="THE ARMY"]NOW WHO'S WITH ME!!!?!!?!!?![/quote]
Not me :lol: :lol:

Your obviously retarded enough to be a major and not know how to play escalating games. So let me explain it to you, as you failed to explain the skills of it to everyone else. There is skill in the early rounds of the game in terms of positioning yourself and getting yourself close to a person you can kill and gain armies from later in the game, then once you are close to somebody on all fronts you kill them and make a gain in armies from the cards you recash. Then everybody starts killing each other and doing what you have just done, and if you are good at the game settings you will win the majority of the time. Why are high ranks who play that game high ranks??BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD, get hard or cry. What sort of man wastes space on GD about such a pointless thread because he himself could not get far on the scoreboard.

Why do you generalise all of us high rankers???

I play many forms of different style of games (Escalating games, Feudal games, Doubles, Trips, Adj forts, chained forts, unlimited forts, flat rate, no cards, escalating, SEQUENTIAL, freestyle ETC ETC ETC...) And yet i can still retain a high rank status.

I play casual games (only private) and i am even in a few leagues and tournaments.

High rankers are anything but over rated... The reason why most are high is because of their exceptional knowledge and strategy using of the game, Speed in freestyle games and tactics in sequential games.

Stop your low rank whinning about us being good and you being so shitty. You are not the first to just accuse us of us thinking *we are so good so we can do what we want*.

Although you did retract your comment but i did just feel to give my 2cents worth lol...

Me-Da-MiNoRiTY wrote:Why do you generalise all of us high rankers???

I play many forms of different style of games (Escalating games, Feudal games, Doubles, Trips, Adj forts, chained forts, unlimited forts, flat rate, no cards, escalating, SEQUENTIAL, freestyle ETC ETC ETC...) And yet i can still retain a high rank status.

I play casual games (only private) and i am even in a few leagues and tournaments.

High rankers are anything but over rated... The reason why most are high is because of their exceptional knowledge and strategy using of the game, Speed in freestyle games and tactics in sequential games.

Stop your low rank whinning about us being good and you being so shitty. You are not the first to just accuse us of us thinking *we are so good so we can do what we want*.

Although you did retract your comment but i did just feel to give my 2cents worth lol...

You may think that your points makes you a better player, But what you fail to recognize is that you are noob farmer, and you got those points from beating inferior players. It's all relative, and until you raise your relative rank, you will continue to be nothing more than a wannabee in many eyes. ...SORRY.

He isn't a noob farmer though, he plays tough games. I also said that not everyone is overrated. Now to your comment about me not being good enough to reach the top: Well...maybe you are in a higher position on the scoreboard because you've played 800+ MORE GAMES THAN ME!!!!! Duh!

Now about a month or two ago when i just got my premium my score was around 1800 and i played completed about 400 games and i remember Fabled-Integral saying that I would never reach the first scoreboard and that all ranks below Major sucked.

Well i told him just to give me time, i said give me about 2 or 3 months then see where i am. Well its been about 2 months and my score rose more than 500 points. So before you continue to state that i will never be at the top you might want to rethink your words. All i have to say about that is, give me time and i will surpass you, easy as that.

So M-D-M all i have to say to you is come back when I have the oppurtunity to play more games in about 2 months from now and i guarantee you that I will not only be on the first page AGAIN, but i will also be contending for the top half of the page as well.

THE ARMY wrote:He isn't a noob farmer though, he plays tough games. I also said that not everyone is overrated. Now to your comment about me not being good enough to reach the top: Well...maybe you are in a higher position on the scoreboard because you've played 800+ MORE GAMES THAN ME!!!!! Duh!

Now about a month or two ago when i just got my premium my score was around 1800 and i played completed about 400 games and i remember Fabled-Integral saying that I would never reach the first scoreboard and that all ranks below Major sucked.

Well i told him just to give me time, i said give me about 2 or 3 months then see where i am. Well its been about 2 months and my score rose more than 500 points. So before you continue to state that i will never be at the top you might want to rethink your words. All i have to say about that is, give me time and i will surpass you, easy as that.

So M-D-M all i have to say to you is come back when I have the oppurtunity to play more games in about 2 months from now and i guarantee you that I will not only be on the first page AGAIN, but i will also be contending for the top half of the page as well.

It's cool that you have a very positive attitude to achieving greatness I hope you do become an excellent CC player

porkenbeans wrote:

Me-Da-MiNoRiTY wrote:Why do you generalise all of us high rankers???

I play many forms of different style of games (Escalating games, Feudal games, Doubles, Trips, Adj forts, chained forts, unlimited forts, flat rate, no cards, escalating, SEQUENTIAL, freestyle ETC ETC ETC...) And yet i can still retain a high rank status.

I play casual games (only private) and i am even in a few leagues and tournaments.

High rankers are anything but over rated... The reason why most are high is because of their exceptional knowledge and strategy using of the game, Speed in freestyle games and tactics in sequential games.

Stop your low rank whinning about us being good and you being so shitty. You are not the first to just accuse us of us thinking *we are so good so we can do what we want*.

Although you did retract your comment but i did just feel to give my 2cents worth lol...

You may think that your points makes you a better player, But what you fail to recognize is that you are noob farmer, and you got those points from beating inferior players. It's all relative, and until you raise your relative rank, you will continue to be nothing more than a wannabee in many eyes. ...SORRY.

Yes the points do make me a better player.... I play all ranks, mine and lower (what is that a crime to play lower ranks).

You know i would play higher rankers all the time but you see people like YOU porknbeans are too shit to be one of them so there aren't enough of them to be played!

GFY.

Me-Da-MiNoRiTY wrote:

THE ARMY wrote:He isn't a noob farmer though, he plays tough games. I also said that not everyone is overrated. Now to your comment about me not being good enough to reach the top: Well...maybe you are in a higher position on the scoreboard because you've played 800+ MORE GAMES THAN ME!!!!! Duh!

Now about a month or two ago when i just got my premium my score was around 1800 and i played completed about 400 games and i remember Fabled-Integral saying that I would never reach the first scoreboard and that all ranks below Major sucked.

Well i told him just to give me time, i said give me about 2 or 3 months then see where i am. Well its been about 2 months and my score rose more than 500 points. So before you continue to state that i will never be at the top you might want to rethink your words. All i have to say about that is, give me time and i will surpass you, easy as that.

So M-D-M all i have to say to you is come back when I have the oppurtunity to play more games in about 2 months from now and i guarantee you that I will not only be on the first page AGAIN, but i will also be contending for the top half of the page as well.

It's cool that you have a very positive attitude to achieving greatness I hope you do become an excellent CC player

porkenbeans wrote:

Me-Da-MiNoRiTY wrote:Why do you generalise all of us high rankers???

I play many forms of different style of games (Escalating games, Feudal games, Doubles, Trips, Adj forts, chained forts, unlimited forts, flat rate, no cards, escalating, SEQUENTIAL, freestyle ETC ETC ETC...) And yet i can still retain a high rank status.

I play casual games (only private) and i am even in a few leagues and tournaments.

High rankers are anything but over rated... The reason why most are high is because of their exceptional knowledge and strategy using of the game, Speed in freestyle games and tactics in sequential games.

Stop your low rank whinning about us being good and you being so shitty. You are not the first to just accuse us of us thinking *we are so good so we can do what we want*.

Although you did retract your comment but i did just feel to give my 2cents worth lol...

You may think that your points makes you a better player, But what you fail to recognize is that you are noob farmer, and you got those points from beating inferior players. It's all relative, and until you raise your relative rank, you will continue to be nothing more than a wannabee in many eyes. ...SORRY.

Yes the points do make me a better player.... I play all ranks, mine and lower (what is that a crime to play lower ranks).

You know i would play higher rankers all the time but you see people like YOU porknbeans are too shit to be one of them so there aren't enough of them to be played!

GFY.

I suggest that you install map rank, and learn how to use it. You are a noob farmer, or point hoarder on every map you play. If you want to see what decent stats. look like, Take a look at mine.

porkenbeans wrote:

Me-Da-MiNoRiTY wrote:

THE ARMY wrote:He isn't a noob farmer though, he plays tough games. I also said that not everyone is overrated. Now to your comment about me not being good enough to reach the top: Well...maybe you are in a higher position on the scoreboard because you've played 800+ MORE GAMES THAN ME!!!!! Duh!

Now about a month or two ago when i just got my premium my score was around 1800 and i played completed about 400 games and i remember Fabled-Integral saying that I would never reach the first scoreboard and that all ranks below Major sucked.

Well i told him just to give me time, i said give me about 2 or 3 months then see where i am. Well its been about 2 months and my score rose more than 500 points. So before you continue to state that i will never be at the top you might want to rethink your words. All i have to say about that is, give me time and i will surpass you, easy as that.

So M-D-M all i have to say to you is come back when I have the oppurtunity to play more games in about 2 months from now and i guarantee you that I will not only be on the first page AGAIN, but i will also be contending for the top half of the page as well.

It's cool that you have a very positive attitude to achieving greatness I hope you do become an excellent CC player

porkenbeans wrote:

Me-Da-MiNoRiTY wrote:Why do you generalise all of us high rankers???

I play many forms of different style of games (Escalating games, Feudal games, Doubles, Trips, Adj forts, chained forts, unlimited forts, flat rate, no cards, escalating, SEQUENTIAL, freestyle ETC ETC ETC...) And yet i can still retain a high rank status.

I play casual games (only private) and i am even in a few leagues and tournaments.

High rankers are anything but over rated... The reason why most are high is because of their exceptional knowledge and strategy using of the game, Speed in freestyle games and tactics in sequential games.

Stop your low rank whinning about us being good and you being so shitty. You are not the first to just accuse us of us thinking *we are so good so we can do what we want*.

Although you did retract your comment but i did just feel to give my 2cents worth lol...

You may think that your points makes you a better player, But what you fail to recognize is that you are noob farmer, and you got those points from beating inferior players. It's all relative, and until you raise your relative rank, you will continue to be nothing more than a wannabee in many eyes. ...SORRY.

Yes the points do make me a better player.... I play all ranks, mine and lower (what is that a crime to play lower ranks).

You know i would play higher rankers all the time but you see people like YOU porknbeans are too shit to be one of them so there aren't enough of them to be played!

GFY.

I suggest that you install map rank, and learn how to use it. You are a noob farmer, or point hoarder on every map you play. If you want to see what decent stats. look like, Take a look at mine.

I can't help that i have been a high ranker for a long time and consistently been playing low rankers! I don't personally select to choose to play low rankers. I like to play PEOPLE, Cooks to Conquerers.

And you however a major? Wow, i am slightly disgusted at the thought of what you do with those two swords behind closed doors....

Me-Da-MiNoRiTY wrote:I can't help that i have been a high ranker for a long time and consistently been playing low rankers! I don't personally select to choose to play low rankers. I like to play PEOPLE, Cooks to Conquerers.

And you however a major? Wow, i am slightly disgusted at the thought of what you do with those two swords behind closed doors....

both of you map specialize so it really shouldnt matter what ranked players you join against, you have more knowledge than your opponent so you are farming...the ranks of the people who join shouldnt matter

and actually, it is only one sword and its sheath

are you people still going on about this ..

good grief give it a rest and go play a game or two would ya

RiskTycoon wrote:go play a game or two would ya

max doesnt play games

Well Max, when i look for a game i look for a stecific type and style to play. If there are high ranks in it then i play high ranks, if there are low ranks then i play low ranks. I'm not a farmer like you because i don't look for specific "people" to play i look for a map and style i enjoy.

maxatstuy wrote:

Me-Da-MiNoRiTY wrote:I can't help that i have been a high ranker for a long time and consistently been playing low rankers! I don't personally select to choose to play low rankers. I like to play PEOPLE, Cooks to Conquerers.

And you however a major? Wow, i am slightly disgusted at the thought of what you do with those two swords behind closed doors....

both of you map specialize so it really shouldnt matter what ranked players you join against, you have more knowledge than your opponent so you are farming...the ranks of the people who join shouldnt matter

and actually, it is only one sword and its sheath

The Chosen wrote:

Downey wrote:Is there a discrepancy between caring a LOT about your points and being a n00b farmer?
Because I care a lot but I don't want to farm n00bs.

You are a n00b dearie...

I played last year but forgot my login info and the email with which I signed up.
I'm not a n00b either.
If used in context, I'm a newb.
No zero's.

THE ARMY wrote:Well Max, when i look for a game i look for a stecific type and style to play. If there are high ranks in it then i play high ranks, if there are low ranks then i play low ranks. I'm not a farmer like you because i don't look for specific "people" to play i look for a map and style i enjoy.

maxatstuy wrote:

Me-Da-MiNoRiTY wrote:I can't help that i have been a high ranker for a long time and consistently been playing low rankers! I don't personally select to choose to play low rankers. I like to play PEOPLE, Cooks to Conquerers.

And you however a major? Wow, i am slightly disgusted at the thought of what you do with those two swords behind closed doors....

both of you map specialize so it really shouldnt matter what ranked players you join against, you have more knowledge than your opponent so you are farming...the ranks of the people who join shouldnt matter

and actually, it is only one sword and its sheath

max thinks that enjoying a certain setting and playing that a lot is just as bad as playing against new recruits

porkenbeans wrote:You (Me-Da-MiNoRiTY) may think that your points makes you a better player, But what you fail to recognize is that you are noob farmer, and you got those points from beating inferior players. It's all relative, and until you raise your relative rank, you will continue to be nothing more than a wannabee in many eyes. ...SORRY.

I just looked at Me-Da-MiNoRiTY's last 100 games...

I could only see 2 games which he joined which at the point of his joining was made up of "low rankers" (i.e. Lieutenant and below).

How on earth can you call him a n00b farmer

The Chosen wrote:

porkenbeans wrote:You (Me-Da-MiNoRiTY) may think that your points makes you a better player, But what you fail to recognize is that you are noob farmer, and you got those points from beating inferior players. It's all relative, and until you raise your relative rank, you will continue to be nothing more than a wannabee in many eyes. ...SORRY.

I just looked at Me-Da-MiNoRiTY's last 100 games...

I could only see 2 games which he joined which at the point of his joining was made up of "low rankers" (i.e. Lieutenant and below).

How on earth can you call him a n00b farmer

I am not sure who you are directing that question at, so I will respond:

I never called him a n00b farmer and I dont think you have to play n00bs to be a farmer. Farming by definition is playing games that will allow for an easy win, and whether it is against a n00b or because of map specialization, both give the player an advantage which is farming. Additional knowledge which your opponent does not have makes it farming and unless you (PorkandBeans) would like to join a game on Prohibition Chicago and from the moment the game begins, tell your opponent about you Giggle Juice Truck bonus or some small obscure bonus which your opponent may not realize, you are taking advantage of your opponents lack of knowledge to win. Meanwhile, Unless you (Me-Da) would go into your games on feudal telling your opponents about the disadvantages of over expanding about taking a neutral 10 when they should be building, then I dont see how you are doing anything other than picking on the less knowledgeable.

Jeff Hardy wrote:max thinks that enjoying a certain setting and playing that a lot is just as bad as playing against new recruits

I dont see anything wrong with n00b farming so I dont know what point you are trying to make...

maxatstuy wrote:Farming by definition is playing games that will allow for an easy win, and whether it is against a n00b or because of map specialization, both give the player an advantage which is farming.

So every good player is actually a farmer?