Conquer Club

cisco2001 wrote:I've been participating in this thread for as long as I can remember. Regardless, if you boil all of this down you are able to find a few recurring themes.

1. Soloman and Riskmaster favor each other in games.
2. The numbers don't lie and their winning percentages are much higher when they play together
3. Soloman is extremely antagonistic towards anyone that posts in this thread; including people that tend to defend him.
4. Soloman's grammar and spelling have not improved at all.

The bottom line is that there has been favoritism between the two brothers. Soloman has confirmed this by electing to not play with him any more. That ,in itself, is a statement of guilt. If Soloman really believed that his games with Riskmaster were on the up and up then they would continue playing with each other.

The solution is very simple. Prohibit them from playing each other and the problem is gone. Soloman can argue that they have voluntarily stopped playing with each other and that no further action is necessary. However, what if they decide a month down the road to play a few triples games? Then what? A new thread is opened and we start this very painful and laborious process all over again. I'm not sure if I can read much more of Soloman's Faulknerish commentary.

Guilt has been admitted by the accused parties by the fact that they stopped playing with each other. All that's left is to implement a block to assure that they no longer roll over unsuspecting players. Again, I'm confident we don't want to go down this road ever again.

I agree with most of this, and its fairly obvious at one time they favored each other in games...the math is pretty blatant... however, them stopping isnt necessarily an admission of guilt. Many innocent players have stopped playing together.

What should have happened here, is an apology and a promise not to play in public games.... its the refusal to admit that possibly some players were cheated thats the problem. If it were possible to just block public games, that would be fine in this case...its the obvious dishonesty that makes it hard to trust them now, and the only reason a block might be necessary.

Im not even suggesting they were purposely favoring each other, but for either of them to say the games played out fairly when the stats are convincing that they did not, means they simply refuse to accept responsibility. A sorry, we wont do anything like that again 20 pages ago and the acceptance that even subconciously they may have favored each other would have ended this.

Yes, but instead he insults people and stalks their accounts looking for reasons to pick fights with people who may disagree with them. It's the rudeness that kept this topic going.

Since stats are being brought up and just for the purpose of proving a point I know how my Brother plays and he knows how I play does that give us an advantage in games against each other yes, but no more of an advantage then you get whenever you play some one you know and often play with. In 3 & 4 player games of assassin, Standard and terminator we have played 18 games I won 9 of those so 50% which is a high mark but when weighed against the same games without my brother there is 198 games and I won 71 of those which is roughly 36% a 14% difference I win 14% more when playing against my little brother whom I taught to play.

If anything I should be ashamed I do not win more against him not apologizing for playing my all against him and all competitors. You people are making your argument again not on the facts but on emotions against my brother and I which is most likely the reason you will get no further and why I rail so hard against you. The facts are against you If I Had as many of the same type games against my brother who says the it would not level close and cut that 14% down even further and even @ the 14% which is what you people are arguing about that only shows we know how the other plays and build strategies with that in mind.

I win 50% of my singles matches also so does that mean My #'s are skewed there as well? I will not apologize because I have done nothing wrong I have played with integrity and honor and a consistent strategy if anyone is owed an apology it is Anton and I from you mindless Followers of JR and the rest of you bandwagon Haters...

P.S. when Checking the records Jimi you are 1 of the people I owned in a game without my brother...

14% difference in win percentage is huge in 3 and 4 player games.

Soloman wrote:Since stats are being brought up and just for the purpose of proving a point I know how my Brother plays and he knows how I play does that give us an advantage in games against each other yes, but no more of an advantage then you get whenever you play some one you know and often play with. In 3 & 4 player games of assassin, Standard and terminator we have played 18 games I won 9 of those so 50% which is a high mark but when weighed against the same games without my brother there is 198 games and I won 71 of those which is roughly 36% a 14% difference I win 14% more when playing against my little brother whom I taught to play.

If anything I should be ashamed I do not win more against him not apologizing for playing my all against him and all competitors. You people are making your argument again not on the facts but on emotions against my brother and I which is most likely the reason you will get no further and why I rail so hard against you. The facts are against you If I Had as many of the same type games against my brother who says the it would not level close and cut that 14% down even further and even @ the 14% which is what you people are arguing about that only shows we know how the other plays and build strategies with that in mind.

I win 50% of my singles matches also so does that mean My #'s are skewed there as well? I will not apologize because I have done nothing wrong I have played with integrity and honor and a consistent strategy if anyone is owed an apology it is Anton and I from you mindless Followers of JR and the rest of you bandwagon Haters...

P.S. when Checking the records Jimi you are 1 of the people I owned in a game without my brother...

rofl

you won 9 of the 18 and guess what? he won the other 9. you guys teamed in all 18 games and won all 18 games. nice !!

treefiddy wrote:14% difference in win percentage is huge in 3 and 4 player games.

So my winning 14% more of the time in 8% of my games is huge huh interesting...For JR if I teamed in the games why does the logs and players in all those games not support that conclusion nor your accusation. ! had previously commented in support of you before playing us but had nothing negative to say after playing us Scarface left this aloe after the fact why do you think that is JR???

There are a number of players that have joined dozens of games that I have started. However, my win percentage does not go up as a result of those players joining my games. What concerns me in this case is the total arrogance that Soloman has towards the rules and other players. Everyone in this thread, including Soloman, have agreed that Soloman and Riskmaster, jointly, have a huge advantage against another player in their 3 man games.

That being said, why has nothing been done? Soloman touts his strategy and "skill" as the factors that give him an edge when he plays with his brother. Please! He is an average player, at best, unless he's playing with his brother. I find it very hard to believe that his "skills" just happen to go up exponentially in the presence of his brother. He wins more because he and his brother gang up on other opponents. That simple...

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:

Soloman wrote:Since stats are being brought up and just for the purpose of proving a point I know how my Brother plays and he knows how I play does that give us an advantage in games against each other yes, but no more of an advantage then you get whenever you play some one you know and often play with. In 3 & 4 player games of assassin, Standard and terminator we have played 18 games I won 9 of those so 50% which is a high mark but when weighed against the same games without my brother there is 198 games and I won 71 of those which is roughly 36% a 14% difference I win 14% more when playing against my little brother whom I taught to play.

If anything I should be ashamed I do not win more against him not apologizing for playing my all against him and all competitors. You people are making your argument again not on the facts but on emotions against my brother and I which is most likely the reason you will get no further and why I rail so hard against you. The facts are against you If I Had as many of the same type games against my brother who says the it would not level close and cut that 14% down even further and even @ the 14% which is what you people are arguing about that only shows we know how the other plays and build strategies with that in mind.

I win 50% of my singles matches also so does that mean My #'s are skewed there as well? I will not apologize because I have done nothing wrong I have played with integrity and honor and a consistent strategy if anyone is owed an apology it is Anton and I from you mindless Followers of JR and the rest of you bandwagon Haters...

P.S. when Checking the records Jimi you are 1 of the people I owned in a game without my brother...

rofl

you won 9 of the 18 and guess what? he won the other 9. you guys teamed in all 18 games and won all 18 games. nice !!

unbelievable! and he does not have the grace to apologise for cheating me out of my points!

well, I guess there isnt much to add here. The situation kind of speaks for itself I think.

I think you guys should give it a rest. Soloman and riskmaster are brother's and judging by their rank arent inflicting any harm at all!!

Furthermore, if you take all the escalating high rankers that always play between themselves against noobs, you then have the same scenario!! But obviously the high rankers have more of an incentive not to lose to noobs (points).

This is all swings and roundabouts.....If you want me to start naming players than so be it, but why shouldnt family members play together in single open games?

hulmey wrote:I think you guys should give it a rest. Soloman and riskmaster are brother's and judging by their rank arent inflicting any harm at all!!

Furthermore, if you take all the escalating high rankers that always play between themselves against noobs, you then have the same scenario!! But obviously the high rankers have more of an incentive not to lose to noobs (points).

This is all swings and roundabouts.....If you want me to start naming players than so be it, but why shouldnt family members play together in single open games?

Furthermore, after looking at the games they played its all freestyle...Im quite sure that if they were cheating, then they would have won more games each. I think its better that muppets like JR so wasting CC's resources on personal grudges!!

hulmey wrote:I think you guys should give it a rest. Soloman and riskmaster are brother's and judging by their rank arent inflicting any harm at all!!

It's ok to cheat as long as your rank sucks?

treefiddy wrote:

hulmey wrote:I think you guys should give it a rest. Soloman and riskmaster are brother's and judging by their rank arent inflicting any harm at all!!

It's ok to cheat as long as your rank sucks?

lol, cool person sees a line and takes it out of context!! I said that judging by their play I dont think they are cheating. Knowing sibling rivalry probably the opposite is occuring! Feel free to comment on my whole post, if you like!

hulmey wrote:I think you guys should give it a rest. Soloman and riskmaster are brother's and judging by their rank arent inflicting any harm at all!!

Read the entire thread and I'm sure you'll find plenty of people that beg to differ.

hulmey wrote:I said that judging by their play I dont think they are cheating.

No, you didn't say that at all (see above).

hulmey wrote:Furthermore, if you take all the escalating high rankers that always play between themselves against noobs, you then have the same scenario!! But obviously the high rankers have more of an incentive not to lose to noobs (points).

Weird analogy, but I'm sure it's not relevant in this particular case.

hulmey wrote:This is all swings and roundabouts.....If you want me to start naming players than so be it, but why shouldnt family members play together in single open games?

Please start new threads if you want to accuse other players. Nothing wrong with sibling rivalry, but in this case they make sure one of them wins the game (once again, it would have helped if you had read the whole thread).

Frop wrote:

hulmey wrote:I think you guys should give it a rest. Soloman and riskmaster are brother's and judging by their rank arent inflicting any harm at all!!

Read the entire thread and I'm sure you'll find plenty of people that beg to differ.

hulmey wrote:I said that judging by their play I dont think they are cheating.

No, you didn't say that at all (see above).

hulmey wrote:Furthermore, if you take all the escalating high rankers that always play between themselves against noobs, you then have the same scenario!! But obviously the high rankers have more of an incentive not to lose to noobs (points).

Weird analogy, but I'm sure it's not relevant in this particular case.

hulmey wrote:This is all swings and roundabouts.....If you want me to start naming players than so be it, but why shouldnt family members play together in single open games?

Please start new threads if you want to accuse other players. Nothing wrong with sibling rivalry, but in this case they make sure one of them wins the game (once again, it would have helped if you had read the whole thread).

you guys are feeble with a redundant yet nothing new argument out of 35 singles games played 2gether 1 of has won in 20 of them. I am sorry you feel that is cheating it is not we know how the other plays and play accordingly. It does not seem to matter the means or factors of the game based on the log the end result is all you people care about and that is it. We play hard against each other but that does not matter because we are related and play often.

Frop wrote:

hulmey wrote:I think you guys should give it a rest. Soloman and riskmaster are brother's and judging by their rank arent inflicting any harm at all!!

Read the entire thread and I'm sure you'll find plenty of people that beg to differ.

hulmey wrote:I said that judging by their play I dont think they are cheating.

No, you didn't say that at all (see above).

hulmey wrote:Furthermore, if you take all the escalating high rankers that always play between themselves against noobs, you then have the same scenario!! But obviously the high rankers have more of an incentive not to lose to noobs (points).

Weird analogy, but I'm sure it's not relevant in this particular case.

hulmey wrote:This is all swings and roundabouts.....If you want me to start naming players than so be it, but why shouldnt family members play together in single open games?

Please start new threads if you want to accuse other players. Nothing wrong with sibling rivalry, but in this case they make sure one of them wins the game (once again, it would have helped if you had read the whole thread).

LOL, all the games are played in freestyle. Ive played freestyle only a few times but its hard enough to co-ordinate, second guess and make moves just thinking abut yourself, let alone others!! Judging by risk master 2000's rank and play, i fail to see how he could co-ordiante anything on a risk board let alone during a fast paced game as freetyle is!!

The only thing funnier in this thread would be to have it say [cleared, cleared, cleared, re-evaluation postponed, f**k-off]



the other thing that could happen is this is moved to flame wars because all everyone is doing is flaming each other here. Most of the posts aren't even about the original topic...they're about the person who posted before them.

Ahoy Ahoy Folks,

Hopefully now with Lancehoch helping out, we can get some speedier service, order, and clarity in this chaotic forum!

For now, Soloman and Riskmaster2000 have been BLOCKED from playing together.

Due to most of the offtopic rambling/flaming/drivel we'll just quiet this thread.


--Andy