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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:36 pm
by wcaclimbing
Cynthia wrote:Jafnhár wrote:http://makeforum.org/There. Go create your own damn forum with your moronic Spamalot thread, stop whining and move on.

No it won't be the same. We're
also a part of conquerclub. And This is the place where we all met. And we would like new players here to notice us and join us (if they seem cool) too.
I agree with Cynthia

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:42 pm
by hecter
kwanton wrote:However, I believe AK was completely within his rights to delete the thread. Both sides had good arguments but it is ultimately at a moderator's discretion what threads to delete. This whole argument was about whether or not AK was "bullying" members of Spamalot and abusing his powers to further his personal agenda. Again, the ultimate decision is up to the mod. The means in which these events transpired may paint AK in a bad light and the fact that he specifically targeted a group of people was wrong, I'll give you that, but mods are granted power to use at their discretion so I'll repeat: AK was completely within his rights to delete the thread.
Well, the thing is,
was AK in his rights to delete Spamalot? Just because somebody has the power to do such a thing doesn't mean they can use it at will. Maybe (and I think probably) AK was letting his emotions affect his moderating decision. He
wasn't using his good judgment, and if he was, it would have been a thread that nobody cared about, and we wouldn't be having this problem.
So again, was AK within his rights to delete that thread?
Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:47 pm
by wcaclimbing
hecter wrote:So again, was AK within his rights to delete that thread?
I believe that if AK had consulted either you (hecter) or Vincent before deleting it, and had at least given us a warning, it would have been within his rights as a moderator.
Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:48 pm
by beav77
wcaclimbing wrote:Cynthia wrote:Jafnhár wrote:http://makeforum.org/There. Go create your own damn forum with your moronic Spamalot thread, stop whining and move on.

No it won't be the same. We're
also a part of conquerclub. And This is the place where we all met. And we would like new players here to notice us and join us (if they seem cool) too.
I agree with Cynthia

all the new clans that can't technically
create a new clan do this, and it works quite well. just post the link in your signature or something. if any newbies browse the forums at all, i'm sure they'll see it, as many posts as you all make

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:50 pm
by jiminski
So again, was AK within his rights to delete that thread?[/quote]
hehe, you want a 'no' right?
Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:50 pm
by kwanton
Well if it was a thread no one cared about then the message of "Don't spam" wouldn't get across to people. Sure it is assumed that AK deleted his thread based on his own personal biases(sp? that doesn't look right...o well) but maybe he decided to delete the thread based on a legit reason and decided to have fun with it's members before hand. The "fun" and "jokes" are definitely not mod-like behavior there's no getting around that. But you can't assume that AK didn't have a legit reason for locking the thread with the personal vendetta as a side reason.
If there is proof that AK did not have any legitimate reason whatsoever to delete the thread then lay it on me. I will gladly relent this point and maybe come up with another one at a later time.
Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:54 pm
by hecter
kwanton wrote:Well if it was a thread no one cared about then the message of "Don't spam" wouldn't get across to people. Sure it is assumed that AK deleted his thread based on his own personal biases(sp? that doesn't look right...o well) but maybe he decided to delete the thread based on a legit reason and decided to have fun with it's members before hand. The "fun" and "jokes" are definitely not mod-like behavior there's no getting around that. But you can't assume that AK didn't have a legit reason for locking the thread with the personal vendetta as a side reason.
If there is proof that AK did not have any legitimate reason whatsoever to delete the thread then lay it on me. I will gladly relent this point and maybe come up with another one at a later time.
Well, according to his own words, he was pushed to far. If that doesn't sound like it was personal, then I don't know what does.
Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:00 pm
by kwanton
hecter wrote:Well, according to his own words, he was pushed to far. If that doesn't sound like it was personal, then I don't know what does.
Hmmm OK then I consent. That does seem like a personal reason then. But the truth of the matter is AK will always claim that he deleted the thread for legit modsquad reasons and Spamalot members will always say it was for a personal vendetta. I learned of these events through second-hand posts (as did most people) and I can't really say one way or the other. However most of the eveidence points to AK being in the wrong. Congrats hecter and spamalot you've presented your case well.
Whatever tho this is just my personal opinion, and as such it doesn't count for much.
P.S. Spamalot is a pretty clever name.....
Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:00 pm
by Generaldisaster
Good bye and good riddance, Spam-a-lot is nothing more than a collection of horrid little creatures. Feeding their inflated egos by inflicting themselves on others over and over and over... again.
Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:03 pm
by hecter
kwanton wrote:Hmmm OK then I consent. That does seem like a personal reason then. But the truth of the matter is AK will always claim that he deleted the thread for legit modsquad reasons and Spamalot members will always say it was for a personal vendetta. I learned of these events through second-hand posts (as did most people) and I can't really say one way or the other. However most of the eveidence points to AK being in the wrong. Congrats hecter and spamalot you've presented your case well.
That is why Andy has taken over. We say that he was out-of-bounds, he says he was perfectly within his bounds. So, we bring in a mediator, which is Andy.
Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:06 pm
by kwanton
Generaldisaster wrote:Good bye and good riddance, Spam-a-lot is nothing more than a collection of horrid little creatures. Feeding their inflated egos by inflicting themselves on others over and over and over... again.
Ironically unintelligent posts which flame spam are just as bad as spam......go figure....
Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:06 pm
by wcaclimbing
Generaldisaster wrote:Good bye and good riddance, Spam-a-lot is nothing more than a collection of horrid little creatures. Feeding their inflated egos by inflicting themselves on others over and over and over... again.
thank you for that lovely, intelligent response to our debate. It is greatly appreciated.
if you want to flame us, at least spell Spamalot right.
and do it in the flame wars section (there is already a nice, long thread about us in there)
Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:02 pm
by Fircoal
Total Votes : 169 
Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:09 pm
by wcaclimbing
Fircoal wrote:Total Votes : 169 
Congradulations.
Stop spamming.
Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:13 pm
by Cynthia
wcaclimbing wrote:Fircoal wrote:Total Votes : 169 
Congradulations.
Stop spamming.
Oh come on. That wasn't spamming. Well it wasn't exactly a post with great content either but posts like that is fine with me
Only spam that bothers me is if one person posts 4 posts after one another instead of editing, and when they post n00bish stuff like "u hav no lyfe"

Anyone recognize that line? Aww..
Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:16 pm
by wiggybowler
All I can say is 107 of you who voted yes are wrong, but that your choice.
Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:18 pm
by wcaclimbing
Cynthia wrote: and when they post n00bish stuff like "u hav no lyfe"

Anyone recognize that line? Aww..
first post of spamalot.
example of what BAD spam is.

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:47 pm
by Ham
Yes AK did the right thing. Why did we need Spamalot in the first place. Wasted server strain and pretty much pointless.
Him deleting it was a very good thing.
Besides what is spam ?
A bored persons way to entertain themself by annoying others.
Yeah bad decision to remove it.
Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:55 pm
by willis
wcaclimbing wrote:Cynthia wrote: and when they post n00bish stuff like "u hav no lyfe"

Anyone recognize that line? Aww..
first post of spamalot.
example of what BAD spam is.

Ahhhh... the memories........
Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:55 pm
by wcaclimbing
Ham wrote:Besides what is spam ?
A bored persons way to entertain themself by annoying others.
By your definition, what you just wrote is SPAM.
you probably dont have anything better to do, and your post is annoying me becuase it is repeating what many others have already said.
Technically, my post is spam, too, since I am bored and there probably is someone out there that will be annoyed by this post.
Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:57 pm
by wcaclimbing
willis wrote:wcaclimbing wrote:Cynthia wrote: and when they post n00bish stuff like "u hav no lyfe"

Anyone recognize that line? Aww..
first post of spamalot.
example of what BAD spam is.

Ahhhh... the memories........
yep, and that will one day be returned to us.
Me, hecter, Vincent, and many others each have a full copy of the first post in spamalot, so we can repost it as soon as it is needed.
Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:20 am
by Kugelblitz22
Wow, that sounds like a good idea.
Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:37 am
by alex_white101
wiggybowler wrote:All I can say is 107 of you who voted yes are wrong, but that your choice.
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:56 am
by detlef
Genghis Khan CA wrote:Um, don't know about anyone else, but I come to this site to play a risk-based world domination game... Surely there are other places on the internet where you can spam?
I would rather the resources of the site be directed to maintaining and improving gameplay, rather than being used up to maintain the forums. Whether spamalot is here or gone is of no consequence to me, but I am happy with the way this site is run, if you don't like the forum policy then I suggest you enjoy the game and post elsewhere.
Just my two cents...

Well that and, get a life I suppose. So much hand-wringing over a snazzy little clique formed in honor of, by definition, useless posts.
Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:32 am
by kwanton
detlef wrote:Well that and, get a life I suppose. So much hand-wringing over a snazzy little clique formed in honor of, by definition, useless posts.
"Get a life" he says as he posts in a forum for a site dedicated to the playing of a board game, which was made in the 1950's, over the internet. No one here has a life sir. Get used to it.