Conquer Club

MeDeFe wrote:I went through the last couple of pages and looked at the wagon against Vio went in a bit more detail. SW's case against her was really quite flimsy, essentially she was still joking around when he thought we should be getting serious. PCM joined half a day later, arguing that we were more likely to get something out of her than out of Naxus who was completely inactive. VS jumped on half a day later again with no real stated reason for his vote. Jonty had announced that he would switch in advance and did so half a day later again, then Safari joined relatively quickly, stating that one was as good as the other, and I put Vio L-1 ~13 hours before the day ended (the deadline had been officially set to ~6 hours from then) in an attempt to force a claim.


I can't say whether the fact that SW made his case at all indicates that he's scum or town, I see good reasons both ways, but the fact that it was based on evidence that imo doesn't really deserve that moniker remains. The joke phase always phases gradually into more serious gameplay. I think it's pretty much inevitable. Calling someone out because they still joke around for a while is too weak reasoning for my taste. I believe the correct term here is IGMEOY

VS's vote struck me as the scummiest. He switched from one wagon (Naxus) with three votes, to a wagon (Vio) that had only 2 votes so far. SW had announced that he was prepared to switch to Naxus if votes were needed. VS essentially removed that option from the table. Jonty had announced that he was going to wait for a reply from Vio, but also that he would've liked to see a lynch, so by switching wagons VS pretty much ensured that SW stayed on the one he had started and knew that Jonty would eventually join and possibly even hammer, depending on the timing.

With the Naxus wagon finished, it only makes sense for safari to switch. I made a last-ditch effort to get a claim out of a very nearly completely inactive player and it worked, unfortunately not to our advantage.


Based on this reasoning, I'll vote Victor Sullivan.

Victor Sullivan wrote:Vote VioIet

Let's get the ball rollin', folks.

-Sully

edocsil wrote:deadline is the 13th

Victor Sullivan wrote:Here's my vote post:

Victor Sullivan wrote:Vote VioIet

Let's get the ball rollin', folks.

-Sully

The idea was just that - to get the ball rolling. The deadline was approaching and though the cases on both naxus and Vio were weak, at least Vio's was a bit more than "just being inactive" so I went with it, especially seeing as how people seemed to be leaning more toward her than naxus. And supposing we did pressure naxus, it seems we wouldn't have gotten any information D1.

My suspicions lie with jonty from D1, but more on that later.

-Sully

Rodion wrote:Jonty, Strike called you out one post before yours.

Care to comment on that instead of on the pony/avatar thing?

jonty125 wrote:Yes I do, I aren't going to jump on the naxus bandwagon unless a better case comes along (and it better come soon because of this)

Rules wrote:8. Lengths of days is 14 days.

We have about 55 hours from now based on this D1 opening scene viewtopic.php?f=213&t=151755&start=30#p3353011

If strike thinks I'm scummy for taking the joke-voting stage too long or after its completion. Well, I would like to apologise if I appeared hindering towns day-time discussion.

safariguy5 wrote:Personally, I think that naxus is either deliberately submarining or just too busy to play. Basically just saying that he's "here" and will post something is more or less just leading us on.

If he doesn't get back in the game, replace please. But until something else comes along,

unvote vote naxus

Victor Sullivan wrote:

Rodion wrote:Jonty, Strike called you out one post before yours.

Care to comment on that instead of on the pony/avatar thing?

Rodion calling out jonty Day 1. Pretty self-explanatory, but jonty dodged strike wolf's post from earlier.

His response:

jonty125 wrote:Yes I do, I aren't going to jump on the naxus bandwagon unless a better case comes along (and it better come soon because of this)

Rules wrote:8. Lengths of days is 14 days.

We have about 55 hours from now based on this D1 opening scene viewtopic.php?f=213&t=151755&start=30#p3353011

If strike thinks I'm scummy for taking the joke-voting stage too long or after its completion. Well, I would like to apologise if I appeared hindering towns day-time discussion.

He seems to be playing awfully cautious - not wanting to look scummy. He even acknowledges that the day is fast waning, yet somehow expects a solid case against someone before the day ends so he can securely vote said person? A big rule in mafia is a lynch is better than none (in the context of town), and he seems to have passively voted a no lynch without outright doing it. Then he finishes his post off with a weak apology in an attempt to reconcile his scummy actions. Overall, a scummy performance thus far, though subtle.

Vote jonty125

-Sully

Victor Sullivan wrote:MeDeFe seemed to be okay with putting VioIet dangerously close to being lynched (L-1). He should know that mafia could have easily placed a lynching vote (which one could speculate that perhaps all of the mafia were already on the bandwagon, but this becomes borderline WIFOM).

MeDeFe wrote:Violet appears to be at 5 votes, lynch is at 7, so.

unvote
vote Violet

It was either Naxus, who (I think) didn't post even when the wagon against him got going, or Vio, and all things considered I'd prefer to pressure the person who occasionally posts. How about a claim?

While we eagerly await Vio's results, I am going to vote MeDeFe for reasons stated above.

-Sully

Victor wrote:The idea was just that - to get the ball rolling. The deadline was approaching and though the cases on both naxus and Vio were weak, at least Vio's was a bit more than "just being inactive" so I went with it, especially seeing as how people seemed to be leaning more toward her than naxus. And supposing we did pressure naxus, it seems we wouldn't have gotten any information D1.

My suspicions lie with jonty from D1, but more on that later.

Victor Sullivan wrote:
The idea was just that - to get the ball rolling. The deadline was approaching and though the cases on both naxus and Vio were weak, at least Vio's was a bit more than "just being inactive" so I went with it, especially seeing as how people seemed to be leaning more toward her than naxus. And supposing we did pressure naxus, it seems we wouldn't have gotten any information D1.

My suspicions lie with jonty from D1, but more on that later.

-Sully

Victor Sullivan wrote:I did not denounce MeDeFe for bandwagoning, I merely stated that his putting Vio at L-1 was risky to say the least, as a scum could have easily hammered. I defended myself against MeDeFe's case against me, then proceeded to make my case for who I think is scum. Your logic hardly seems sound. I didn't make an OMGUS case against MeDeFe after he made his against me. I acknowledge that the case against MeDeFe was weak, but it was something to go off of for the start of Day 2, given that we didn't have a lynch Day 1 and our cop was roleblocked (though I think I may have started the MeDeFe case while waiting for her result, but no matter - the point still stands, I think).

-Sully

Rodion wrote:This D2 still has a D1 feeling in that all leads appear to be rather weak.

I'll vote naxus until he posts what he promised/is replaced. As for the other cases, I'd lean voting Jonty over VS for now, but I'll reread Medefe's case on VS tomorrow to see how much water it holds.

jonty125 wrote:

Victor Sullivan wrote:

Rodion wrote:Jonty, Strike called you out one post before yours.

Care to comment on that instead of on the pony/avatar thing?

Rodion calling out jonty Day 1. Pretty self-explanatory, but jonty dodged strike wolf's post from earlier.

His response:

jonty125 wrote:Yes I do, I aren't going to jump on the naxus bandwagon unless a better case comes along (and it better come soon because of this)

Rules wrote:8. Lengths of days is 14 days.

We have about 55 hours from now based on this D1 opening scene viewtopic.php?f=213&t=151755&start=30#p3353011

If strike thinks I'm scummy for taking the joke-voting stage too long or after its completion. Well, I would like to apologise if I appeared hindering towns day-time discussion.

He seems to be playing awfully cautious - not wanting to look scummy. He even acknowledges that the day is fast waning, yet somehow expects a solid case against someone before the day ends so he can securely vote said person? A big rule in mafia is a lynch is better than none (in the context of town), and he seems to have passively voted a no lynch without outright doing it. Then he finishes his post off with a weak apology in an attempt to reconcile his scummy actions. Overall, a scummy performance thus far, though subtle.

Vote jonty125

-Sully

I'm appearing cautious because I have a one-shot night action and I still have it and do not wish to die without using it. I didn't see the naxus case as strong and I know its D1 where cases aren't strong but I wanted to make sure there weren't better options and the Vio case picked up speed and then we unfortunately hit the cop.

strike wolf wrote:

jonty125 wrote:

Victor Sullivan wrote:

Rodion wrote:Jonty, Strike called you out one post before yours.

Care to comment on that instead of on the pony/avatar thing?

Rodion calling out jonty Day 1. Pretty self-explanatory, but jonty dodged strike wolf's post from earlier.

His response:

jonty125 wrote:Yes I do, I aren't going to jump on the naxus bandwagon unless a better case comes along (and it better come soon because of this)

Rules wrote:8. Lengths of days is 14 days.

We have about 55 hours from now based on this D1 opening scene viewtopic.php?f=213&t=151755&start=30#p3353011

If strike thinks I'm scummy for taking the joke-voting stage too long or after its completion. Well, I would like to apologise if I appeared hindering towns day-time discussion.

He seems to be playing awfully cautious - not wanting to look scummy. He even acknowledges that the day is fast waning, yet somehow expects a solid case against someone before the day ends so he can securely vote said person? A big rule in mafia is a lynch is better than none (in the context of town), and he seems to have passively voted a no lynch without outright doing it. Then he finishes his post off with a weak apology in an attempt to reconcile his scummy actions. Overall, a scummy performance thus far, though subtle.

Vote jonty125

-Sully

I'm appearing cautious because I have a one-shot night action and I still have it and do not wish to die without using it. I didn't see the naxus case as strong and I know its D1 where cases aren't strong but I wanted to make sure there weren't better options and the Vio case picked up speed and then we unfortunately hit the cop.

Where did this come from? Yeah you were under a bit of pressure but you weren't where you had to claim. I find the timing of this a bit suspect.

jonty125 wrote:

strike wolf wrote:

jonty125 wrote:

Victor Sullivan wrote:

Rodion wrote:Jonty, Strike called you out one post before yours.

Care to comment on that instead of on the pony/avatar thing?

Rodion calling out jonty Day 1. Pretty self-explanatory, but jonty dodged strike wolf's post from earlier.

He seems to be playing awfully cautious - not wanting to look scummy. He even acknowledges that the day is fast waning, yet somehow expects a solid case against someone before the day ends so he can securely vote said person? A big rule in mafia is a lynch is better than none (in the context of town), and he seems to have passively voted a no lynch without outright doing it. Then he finishes his post off with a weak apology in an attempt to reconcile his scummy actions. Overall, a scummy performance thus far, though subtle.

Vote jonty125

-Sully

I'm appearing cautious because I have a one-shot night action and I still have it and do not wish to die without using it. I didn't see the naxus case as strong and I know its D1 where cases aren't strong but I wanted to make sure there weren't better options and the Vio case picked up speed and then we unfortunately hit the cop.

Where did this come from? Yeah you were under a bit of pressure but you weren't where you had to claim. I find the timing of this a bit suspect.

Its a soft roleclaim and I'll use my ability tonight and then WCS if you guys lynch me at least I was only a VT.

strike wolf wrote:
Whooops...I read your post twice and still thought you had said night kill instead of night action. My bad.