Conquer Club

... the Israeli military is coming under increasing pressure to reveal just how many of their own citizens were killed by Israeli soldiers, pilots and police in the confusion of the Hamas attack on southern Israeli communities.

Survivors and relatives have been asking not just "what went wrong", but whether the military invoked the controversial — and supposedly rescinded — "Hannibal Directive".

Panicked, operating without their normal command structure and unable to coordinate with ground forces, they fired on vehicles returning to Gaza, knowing they were likely carrying hostages.

Air force pilots described to Yedioth Ahronot newspaper the firing of "tremendous" amounts of ammunition on October 7 at people attempting to cross the border between Gaza and Israel.

"Twenty-eight fighter helicopters shot over the course of the day all of the ammunition in their bellies, in renewed runs to rearm. We are talking about hundreds of 30-millimetre cannon mortars and Hellfire missiles," reporter Yoav Zeitoun said.

Bergman's investigation found 70 vehicles were destroyed by Israeli aircraft and tanks to prevent them being driven into Gaza, killing everyone inside.

"It is not clear at this point how many of the abductees were killed due to the activation of this [Hannibal] order on October 7," he wrote.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-07/ ... /104224430

Pack Rat wrote:Remember October 7th!

HAMAS started this war with rape, looting and murdering civilians.



...and now Saxi is yelling foul?

Spoiler

[b][i][color=#800000][size=200]You reap what you sow[/size][/color][/i][/b]

Pack Rat wrote:Remember October 7th!

kentington wrote:I find this topic to be intriguing. It is polarizing in ways we don’t expect. Party lines are erased in this area.

Honestly, I think the whole thing is sad. This is another instance of governments top dogs making choices that poorly affect its citizens. This is happening with both groups of people.

But who is anyone in the US to condemn the Israelis? Do the natives in the US now have their most desirable lands back? Or did they still get the bad left overs?

I don’t mean to pose that thought to detract from the lost lives or anything like that. I wonder if there is a place the Palestinians or Israelis could be moved to that would end this. I think no matter the resolution you will have citizens’ lives wrecked.

saxitoxin wrote:

Pack Rat wrote:Remember October 7th!

The day the IDF panicked and started spraying their own citizens with auto cannon fire from Apache gunships? Then tried to say Israelis turned into warm piles of red goo were from 7.62mm rounds from Palestinian rifles? That's what I'm doing.

saxitoxin wrote: If every Arab in the West Bank and Gaza could vote in Israeli elections you wouldn't hear one more word out of me on this topic ever again.

kentington wrote: I am trying to remain as neutral as possible, because I don’t trust most media outlets. They have all been caught lying/misleading/deceiving for various reasons.

September 8, 24 Adoration

Message from Jesus



I set with you here where you sit in front of me now. I am the Lord God of all things here on earth and in heaven. I know you very well. My heart pours out love and mercy over you. You are mine and shall be always. I pour out my mercy and kindness on the world. Search for me in the little things like the birds singing. I created them to praise my name. I am the Great I Am of old from times past and am the Great I Am today. Seek me always in the depths of your heart, I am there with you. I have power so great humans cannot fathom my power. I am greater than all the forces of the universe and still so powerful. My light shines to all who seek me in the stillness. I am the Great King of heaven and earth; all sit at my feet. I am who I say I am.

Dukasaur wrote:

kentington wrote: I am trying to remain as neutral as possible, because I don’t trust most media outlets. They have all been caught lying/misleading/deceiving for various reasons.

I'm just going to interject here (and this is not really about Israel) because one the one hand you seem very cynical and on the other hand you do seem genuinely interested in the truth.

Media outlets should not be uncritically accepted as fountains of truth. They do sometimes lie, and more often tell the truth but with a definite bias. As do we all. But while media sources are not much better than the average person at telling the whole truth, they are not worse, either. Just as you can't accept uncritically the opinions of your drinking buddies down at the Blunderbuss and Pheasant, you can't uncritically accept Dan Rather's opinions, either, but neither should you dismiss them out of hand.

Media sources are based on primary sources, and while in times gone by those were difficult to uncover, in the Internet age you can very often check out the primary sources. If someone tells you that Sri Lanka has secretly built a nuclear arsenal, or whatever, it is possible to download the actual budget documents of the Sri Lankan government and see if there are mysterious expenditures that might add up to a secret nuclear program, or not.

Rather left the anchor desk in 2005 following the Killian documents controversy, in which he presented unauthenticated documents in a news report on President George W. Bush's Vietnam War–era service in the National Guard. He continued to work with CBS until 2006, when he was abruptly fired.[1]

Pack Rat wrote:STFU Votanic!

Just make Saxi his sandwich and he will call you a good dog.

Sad to see Votanic being a lap dog of a anti-semetic guy who has a curious relationship with a gender bending poster.

jusplay4fun wrote:
Dan Rather has been essentially "Off the Air" (of CBS and Mainstream Media) since 2006:

Dukasaur wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:
Dan Rather has been essentially "Off the Air" (of CBS and Mainstream Media) since 2006:

Whoever his replacement is.

I don't watch TV often enough to know the names of any of the personalities nowadays.

mookiemcgee wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:
Dan Rather has been essentially "Off the Air" (of CBS and Mainstream Media) since 2006:

Whoever his replacement is.

I don't watch TV often enough to know the names of any of the personalities nowadays.

CBS still has a news division, but it's not what it once was. ABC/NBC/FOX all have gone the route of having multiple tertiary outlets for news in addition to having a national news desk and CBS kinda went a different direction (and honestly their parent company is in serious trouble right now due lack of adoption of their 'Paramount +' subscription business. They still own the 60 minutes brand and do continue to put a news product on the market, but have effectively conceded their place in the news world to other networks. In some ways their lack of investment in having multiple news only channels ect has left them a being more centrist than the bulk of the rest of US news product.

Anyway, their current main anchor is dis chick

mookiemcgee wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:
Dan Rather has been essentially "Off the Air" (of CBS and Mainstream Media) since 2006:

Whoever his replacement is.

I don't watch TV often enough to know the names of any of the personalities nowadays.

CBS still has a news division, but it's not what it once was. ABC/NBC/FOX all have gone the route of having multiple tertiary outlets for news in addition to having a national news desk and CBS kinda went a different direction (and honestly their parent company is in serious trouble right now due lack of adoption of their 'Paramount +' subscription business. They still own the 60 minutes brand and do continue to put a news product on the market, but have effectively conceded their place in the news world to other networks. In some ways their lack of investment in having multiple news only channels ect has left them a being more centrist than the bulk of the rest of US news product.

Anyway, their current main anchor is dis chick

“CBS Evening News” host and managing editor Norah O’Donnell will leave the anchor desk following the 2024 election and transition to a senior correspondent role within the company, the network announced Tuesday.

O’Donnell, who recently marked five years behind the anchor desk for the evening news show, said it was time for a change after 12 years as an anchor for CBS News.

bigtoughralf wrote:Today Israel has bombed a school being used as a UN shelter for displaced people, killing six UN staff members including the manager of the shelter:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0912/1469632-gaza/

bigtoughralf wrote:Oh look, another round of 'you disapprove of Israel genociding Palestinians therefore you must support Russia's invasion of Ukraine'

Do you think it's okay that the Israeli military just bombed a Palestinian school, killing 6 UN aid workers, or do you think that's not okay?