Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[DoomYoshi]

I'd rather die. You say acting like a dumbass. I say telling the truth. If you can't tell that trainers are going to ruin the game and then your real life, I don't want to help you anyway.

[Anarkistsdream]

I'd rather die. You say acting like a dumbass. I say telling the truth. If you can't tell that trainers are going to ruin the game and then your real life, I don't want to help you anyway.

I just... I refuse to vote you... I just hope you really are possessed by Mewtwo...

This isn't you... Is it? I mean, I haven't gamed with you in years.... but.... This is ridiculous... I just... don't believe it.

I should use more ellipses.

[DoomYoshi]

Town... just... deserves... to... lose... after... dogpiling... a... bandwagon... with... no... case...

I have a rocksolid pro-wild Pokemon claim and people are voting me for...? They don't like roleplaying? What defense should I give? If I reveal my powers to mafia, its not very helpful. Just know that I am more powerful than you could ever dream of.

[kwanton]

Some things that perhaps might help you incessant gnats. I know for certain that Team Rocket, like Ash and Gary (there are no other trainers in the game), has a recruit.

One thing I'd like to add is that this matches up with my assumption of how the game setup is. The more I thought about it, the more it made sense that Ash and Gary were the only town trainers. Brock and Misty were gym leaders in the show and thus ineligible to participate in the Indigo League Tournament.

Beyond that, it also makes sense with the numbers. When Mandy first tried to convince me to play this game he said:

"balancing will be sooooo much easier with 26 players as opposed to 25."

(This was a private message on facebook which I've kept to myself until now.)

This leads me to believe that the total number of wild pokemon must be divisible by 5, otherwise Mandy wouldn't have made a fuss about it. We have 6 confirmed non-wilds in the game so far (Jesse, James, Meowth, Gary, Ash, Mewtwo) which fits perfectly with my theory (26-6=20. 20/5 = 4 wild pokemon of each type). Having Misty, Brock, and Gio would screw up the numbers and make it 17 Wild pokemon which is not balanced. There would need to be an additional 5 non-wilds beyond those we already have confirmed for the numbers to make sense. The only possibility would be if it was Misty, Brock, Gio, Ekans, and Koffing left along with James and Mewtwo. That would leave 3 wilds of each type (15 total) and 10 scum (I'm counting Gary and Ash because cult recruiters are technically scum in traditional mafia). 15-10 seems like a ridiculous split especially given how strong recruiters are. Having 5 separate recruiting factions would be an absolute nightmare to balance so my guess is the setup is 20/3/1/1/1

[kwanton]

They don't like roleplaying?

TBH roleplaying is lame

[DoomYoshi]

If James is the last TR, it's 51/49 Samlen or Legion. I am leaning more towards legion, hence my vote.

[Samlen]

Having trouble getting internet and still on phone. Sorry for inactivity.
@Doom if you really are mewtwo, then us wp shouldn't lynch you. However your playing has been ridiculous and I am just about ready to lynch you anyways since your playing has been extremely detrimental for us. I will give you one more post to convince me that you are actually useful alive or I will hammer you.

[kwanton]

If James is the last TR, it's 51/49 Samlen or Legion. I am leaning more towards legion, hence my vote.

And you are 100% mewtwo, hence my vote.

[madmitch]

@ Doom ,you say that you are mewtwo, and you are not being forced, and then you say that you are a rocksolid pro wild pokemon , so which is it ? you can't be both.

[Skittles!]

Doom, who are you going to target tonight if you aren't lynched?

Just going to unvote for now until we get some more answers out of Doom. I believe the Mewtwo claim and I can understand why that would be pro-WP. Is it a serial killer role or is there more to it?

[strike wolf]

Doom does your ROLE PM specifically state what Rocket wants from you?

Yeah forgot to unvote. Kind of glad for my mistake though as I didn't want a speed lynch there.

[Metsfanmax]

I believe Doom and I think his behavior is generally consistent with his past mafia behavior and general posting behavior. Also, if he doesn't get counter-claimed to Mewtwo then that is some information in his defense.

[dakky21]

Just think about it. If there is a MewTwo in the game, how would he counter his claim? If anyone claims MewTwo, we will know that Yoshi is lying, but we will also know who is MT. So I don't believe his claim. Pretty much same as Lapras or any Wild Pokemon (or just Wild Pokemon). This was a safe claim and the timing when Mets come and "believes" in Doom's claim tells something. I believe Mets or Nark is his trainer or his pokemon and they're all TR because DY said he knows for certain TR has a recruit. TR probably recruited him N1 and that's a game changer.

[kwanton]

I believe he is mewtwo but I just cannot buy that mewtwo is pro-wild. It makes no sense with the flavor. In the movie mewtwo was against regular Pokémon too - he thought his clones were superior.

Being pro-wild doesn't make sense in this game either. Wild Pokémon are not a faction, but individuals. For my win condition, it doesn't matter a tit what happens to other wild Pokémon. Matter of fact, as wild Pokémon, we're almost against each other given the XP prize of attacking each other. If we win battles, we increase our chances of surviving til the end.

My vote stays on doom. He's an SK. Even if he promises to act as a vig and use his night action on who he thinks is scum, we have no guarantee he won't be wrong (again). More wild Pokémon are just gonna get Serbia'd. We can all kill at night anyway if we coordinate attacks and I feel more comfortable doing it by consensus rather than a single person acting as an X-factor. We don't need him, he's just an unnecessary risk.

[Metsfanmax]

Just think about it. If there is a MewTwo in the game, how would he counter his claim? If anyone claims MewTwo, we will know that Yoshi is lying, but we will also know who is MT.

...yes, I understood that, and did in fact think about it. It's partially why I said that the lack of a counter-claim is evidence in his defense rather than him being fully cleared.

So I don't believe his claim.

However, flat-out giving him zero credit is taking it too far. Trading Mewtwo for a TR might be a good trade. I'd likely take it... and we don't even know if TR can easily kill him if they do know who Mewtwo is.

Pretty much same as Lapras or any Wild Pokemon (or just Wild Pokemon). This was a safe claim

No, it's completely the opposite of a safe claim. Safe claims are characters where there is no way to prove or disprove that the character could be in the game. Lapras could have been that, barring the bit about evolutions. Mewtwo is not a "safe" claim because we are pretty sure that Mewtwo is in the game and thus DY opened himself up to a lot of liability by claiming that and not being Mewtwo.

and the timing when Mets come and "believes" in Doom's claim tells something.

Skittles and kwanton said they believe it before I do, funny how you left them out of this. Also, what other timing could there have been? I couldn't have said that I believed his claim before he claimed. However, I consciously chose not to join the bandwagon on him before he claimed because I didn't believe that his playstyle was truly out of character for him.

[kwanton]

He claimed a dude so evil that the good guys needed an entire feature film to kick his ass.

[new guy1]

I will not be voting doom right away with this new revelation. It didn't really occur to me that MewTwo might be good for the WP, though as it has been mentioned, it's not a WC for WP to defeat him, so it doesn't seem like it would concern WP if he was left alive. Mets, if he's not MewTwo, I wouldn't expect a counterclaim, I would expect DY to get smacked tonight by MewTwo. Would keep MT's identity safe and all. I believe the claim, I just don't know that I trust it operates the way DY says it does. MewTwo wasn't ever really for equality with trainer's pokemon, because they had given up their independence to be slaves (hence why I picked up on DY sounding like MewTwo). I don't remember him having problems with wild pokemon, but I haven't watched the movie as of recent, so I can't boast complete knowledge about that.

Overall, I'm split on how the role may work. Can picture ways it could be a pro-town role and ways it could be a 3rd party role, so flavor wise I can't decide. @Doomyoshi- You say each of the factions has a recruit, but you seem to be saying each only has one in total:

"I know for certain that Team Rocket, like Ash and Gary (there are no other trainers in the game), has a recruit."

So I guess my main question is are you saying they all started with a recruit or that both Gary and Ash failed to recruit a new pokemon N1 (they each got a recruit in the beginning) and that TR succeeded (assuming Meowth was a given recruitment) N1? Because if it's the first one, that was suspected and assumed by many (trainers got a pokemon N0 that is). If it was the second, then how do you know the recruitment successes and failures?

I am split, but lean towards the side of Doom being scum. He's felt off to me the whole game, and is relying on the defense of having a "rock solid pro-wild pokemon claim" when it really isn't that rock solid, or at least hasn't been proven to be. As Kwan just said, I don't remember MewTwo ever being super favorable and a hero to WP (he helped TR catch a few when Gio had control of him), and now that he reminded me, he did spend part of the movie trying to prove that his clones were superior to pokemon who were born (though again, those were trainer's pokemon, that part would still fit a little with the flavor that Doom is claiming). It's been a few hours since I held my vote in order to hear what people thought, and though there have been posts from 12 out of the living 17 at least once since then, my mind hasn't been changed. If Doom doesn't clear anything up, then I'll still add my vote, as I see him as just as bad as TR, until proven innocent of such a claim.

[dakky21]

No, it's completely the opposite of a safe claim. Safe claims are characters where there is no way to prove or disprove that the character could be in the game. Lapras could have been that, barring the bit about evolutions. Mewtwo is not a "safe" claim because we are pretty sure that Mewtwo is in the game and thus DY opened himself up to a lot of liability by claiming that and not being Mewtwo.

Imagine that DY isn't a MewTwo (and we don't know if he is in the game), but a TR trainer claiming MewTwo (which we should believe is in the game as lot of talk was about it). No one can counter claim and no one will, while real MewTwo (or any other serial killer pokemon) stays alive and killing... Now, why this scenario is possible... because the remaining of TR are also trainers and they got another Pokemon, perhaps you Mets... or Nark.

Other option is that DY is really a MewTwo, but he has been captured by TR and his abilities were taken away so he is not able to do anything (remember my post when I said the setup is bastard)... so he just went crazy on the mention Gary tried to catch him as well.

Third option - DY is another pokemon, like Mr.Mime, or something like that. SK by nature, but sided with TR.

Either way, his overacted defense and weird talk will leave my vote on him, while if he is a WP, then I made a big mistake. But I'm fairly sure I did not. It's up to you to decide if he lied or not, it might be valuable next day.

[HotShot53]

I believe doom's claim of being mewtwo, however, based on the night scene he seems a lot more like a SK than a defender of WP so my vote will stay on him.

[Skittles!]

I believe he is mewtwo but I just cannot buy that mewtwo is pro-wild. It makes no sense with the flavor. In the movie mewtwo was against regular Pokémon too - he thought his clones were superior.

Being pro-wild doesn't make sense in this game either. Wild Pokémon are not a faction, but individuals. For my win condition, it doesn't matter a tit what happens to other wild Pokémon. Matter of fact, as wild Pokémon, we're almost against each other given the XP prize of attacking each other. If we win battles, we increase our chances of surviving til the end.

My vote stays on doom. He's an SK. Even if he promises to act as a vig and use his night action on who he thinks is scum, we have no guarantee he won't be wrong (again). More wild Pokémon are just gonna get Serbia'd. We can all kill at night anyway if we coordinate attacks and I feel more comfortable doing it by consensus rather than a single person acting as an X-factor. We don't need him, he's just an unnecessary risk.

I agree with this assessment, and even though I did unvote, I am willing to revote Doom if nothing better comes out. Also if your calculations are correct, there is only 1 TR left. I just find it odd that in a game of 26 there would only be 3 mafia (even with 2 cult factions and 1 SK). Just seems too small a number for me.

We should definitely try and coordinate night actions to try and get rid of those who we think are the most scummy, or even just those who don't have the interests of the wild Pokemon collective. I think this needs to be worked out before someone is lynched because otherwise there are going to be another 6 deaths on night 2.

I will not be voting doom right away with this new revelation. It didn't really occur to me that MewTwo might be good for the WP, though as it has been mentioned, it's not a WC for WP to defeat him, so it doesn't seem like it would concern WP if he was left alive.

Doom is only worth being alive if he listens to Pokemon suggestions on who to kill at night, and thats definitely not guaranteed. My guess is if he lives through this bandwagon he will go after Dakky - which I don't really care about TBH. Or unless he is sure who Gary is, then go after him.

Dakky, does your WC mention anything about Mewtwo? Or is it just to take out Team Ash and Team Rocket? You've put a lot of effort into this bandwagon on DY so I'm just making sure what you actually have to do to win. Is there anything about wild Pokemon? I'm just suss about you because you have been giving us a lot of information, putting yourself into a trustworthy position but there's no actual reason why we should trust you.

[dakky21]

Dakky, does your WC mention anything about Mewtwo? Or is it just to take out Team Ash and Team Rocket? You've put a lot of effort into this bandwagon on DY so I'm just making sure what you actually have to do to win. Is there anything about wild Pokemon? I'm just suss about you because you have been giving us a lot of information, putting yourself into a trustworthy position but there's no actual reason why we should trust you.

No, Team Gary WC says defeat/survive Ash (done), TR (almost done) and mystery pokemon named "?". That ? could be MewTwo, Mr.Mime or whichever Pokemon else.

Guess it's DY and I guess we hit him D1 since there was no "escaped" message or anything about being successful.

Nothing on Wild Pokemon in Team Gary WC.

Also, even if DY goes after me N2, that will mean there is more chance that Gary will survive, so I don't have a problem with that (like DY said, recruited pokemons are a cannon fodder or a meat shield). So let him go after me if he wants. I still win with Gary.

[Metsfanmax]

I will not be voting doom right away with this new revelation. It didn't really occur to me that MewTwo might be good for the WP, though as it has been mentioned, it's not a WC for WP to defeat him, so it doesn't seem like it would concern WP if he was left alive. Mets, if he's not MewTwo, I wouldn't expect a counterclaim, I would expect DY to get smacked tonight by MewTwo. Would keep MT's identity safe and all. I believe the claim, I just don't know that I trust it operates the way DY says it does. MewTwo wasn't ever really for equality with trainer's pokemon, because they had given up their independence to be slaves (hence why I picked up on DY sounding like MewTwo). I don't remember him having problems with wild pokemon, but I haven't watched the movie as of recent, so I can't boast complete knowledge about that.

I don't necessarily believe his description of the role or his alignment either. I'm not saying we can really trust him at this point. I just believe he is Mewtwo and therefore is not TR.

[dakky21]

I don't necessarily believe his description of the role or his alignment either. I'm not saying we can really trust him at this point. I just believe he is Mewtwo and therefore is not TR.

He said he killed Serbia. He said he is MewTwo. So you will let SK to live just because he is or isn't a TR? What does that tells about you? Either you're sided with him and you know he won't target you or you're a WP hoping you'll get his trust. Either way scummy if you ask me.

[Metsfanmax]

I didn't say I'll let him live. I just said he is Mewtwo.

[DoomYoshi]

I'm not an SK. I'm a wild pokemon with a variant win-con. I have the same ability to attack and defend as everyone else. You are calling me an SK, but my role is to eliminate scum where the Wild Pokemon wincon is a lot closer to SK. I am the vig, aka the pro-town hero. I wouldn't bother killing dakky. If I can kill Gary, dakky will be freed. I'm not sure if it works while dakky is defending though.