Conquer Club

safariguy5 wrote:

strike wolf wrote:

edocsil wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:I wondered why Doom was a different color role. He was unlynchable, and you're claiming bulletproof. Were you bulletproof before you were recruited or was that gained only after you were recruited?

I suppose if we don't have a better kill target, I'd be in favor of removing someone who is not town. Unless Victor has a pretty compelling reason why we shouldn't kill him.

I'm also surprised that there are apparently only 2 recruits. Any ideas what Sully was doing the other nights edoc?

I was already bulletproof, Victor just got lucky with his picks.

There we 4 nights, I was recruited night one. Night 2 failed for some reason, target was strike. Night three cult gained Doom, Night four Doom died and victor was no longer the cult leader. Night four we did not discuss who we intended to recruit, I don't know who would have been targeted.

If I was the night 2 target than how did victor know Squirrel was scum?

Not to mention, how did the recruitment fail? Was Sully roleblocked by someone?

Either way, I'm a bit uncertain about what exactly Sully's role is, but if he isn't town, and some sort of cultist, I'm definitely in favor of Mets killing him. Removes some of the variables from the possible night actions. I'm thinking maybe Sully has like JOAT powers on top of recruiting, but I don't know how he got Squirrel.

Wow, aren't you spot on!

-Sully

Victor Sullivan wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:

strike wolf wrote:

edocsil wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:I wondered why Doom was a different color role. He was unlynchable, and you're claiming bulletproof. Were you bulletproof before you were recruited or was that gained only after you were recruited?

I suppose if we don't have a better kill target, I'd be in favor of removing someone who is not town. Unless Victor has a pretty compelling reason why we shouldn't kill him.

I'm also surprised that there are apparently only 2 recruits. Any ideas what Sully was doing the other nights edoc?

I was already bulletproof, Victor just got lucky with his picks.

There we 4 nights, I was recruited night one. Night 2 failed for some reason, target was strike. Night three cult gained Doom, Night four Doom died and victor was no longer the cult leader. Night four we did not discuss who we intended to recruit, I don't know who would have been targeted.

If I was the night 2 target than how did victor know Squirrel was scum?

Not to mention, how did the recruitment fail? Was Sully roleblocked by someone?

Either way, I'm a bit uncertain about what exactly Sully's role is, but if he isn't town, and some sort of cultist, I'm definitely in favor of Mets killing him. Removes some of the variables from the possible night actions. I'm thinking maybe Sully has like JOAT powers on top of recruiting, but I don't know how he got Squirrel.

Wow, aren't you spot on!

-Sully

so you agree you should be lynched?

zimmah wrote:

Victor Sullivan wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:rtain about what exactly Sully's role is, but if he isn't town, and some sort of cultist, I'm definitely in favor of Mets killing him. Removes some of the variables from the possible night actions. I'm thinking maybe Sully has like JOAT powers on top of recruiting, but I don't know how he got Squirrel.

Wow, aren't you spot on!

-Sully

so you agree you should be lynched?

No, I mean about my role. I obviously don't want to be lynched.

-Sully

Challenge Accepted!

Sully, what benefit do you have to offer to help town? Aren't your winning conditions based on the cult overtaking town? If this is true, you basically can no longer win either way.

To me, Sully (an edoc as well I supposed) can both be considered options for a lynch if there are no other options available to us during the day. However, with them not really being part of the mafia faction, they would probably be helpful for the town to keep around so that it takes longer for the mafia to kill the town off. Of course, there is the possibility that edoc and Sully are both mafia and followed each other's lead in concocting this story. I think that is less likely though.

For my money, I would not lynch edoc at all. I would only lynch Sully as a last resort. And I would probably only lynch Sully if I wasn't fully convinced that he could no longer recruit. That needs to be established before we continue. He says that he lost his recruits, but not that he can't recruit any longer. I would assume that he could still recruit. Is that true Sully?

chapcrap wrote:Challenge Accepted!

Sully, what benefit do you have to offer to help town? Aren't your winning conditions based on the cult overtaking town? If this is true, you basically can no longer win either way.

To me, Sully (an edoc as well I supposed) can both be considered options for a lynch if there are no other options available to us during the day. However, with them not really being part of the mafia faction, they would probably be helpful for the town to keep around so that it takes longer for the mafia to kill the town off. Of course, there is the possibility that edoc and Sully are both mafia and followed each other's lead in concocting this story. I think that is less likely though.

For my money, I would not lynch edoc at all. I would only lynch Sully as a last resort. And I would probably only lynch Sully if I wasn't fully convinced that he could no longer recruit. That needs to be established before we continue. He says that he lost his recruits, but not that he can't recruit any longer. I would assume that he could still recruit. Is that true Sully?

As far as I know, yes.

-Sully

Victor Sullivan wrote:

chapcrap wrote:Challenge Accepted!

Sully, what benefit do you have to offer to help town? Aren't your winning conditions based on the cult overtaking town? If this is true, you basically can no longer win either way.

To me, Sully (an edoc as well I supposed) can both be considered options for a lynch if there are no other options available to us during the day. However, with them not really being part of the mafia faction, they would probably be helpful for the town to keep around so that it takes longer for the mafia to kill the town off. Of course, there is the possibility that edoc and Sully are both mafia and followed each other's lead in concocting this story. I think that is less likely though.

For my money, I would not lynch edoc at all. I would only lynch Sully as a last resort. And I would probably only lynch Sully if I wasn't fully convinced that he could no longer recruit. That needs to be established before we continue. He says that he lost his recruits, but not that he can't recruit any longer. I would assume that he could still recruit. Is that true Sully?

As far as I know, yes.

-Sully

Challenge Accepted!

Ok, so he can still recruit, but he has offered to help town, so there is no reason to lynch him at the moment. If we must lynch someone though, he is the most obvious candidate. I think we should explore other options first. As far as I can see, usAir has been flying under the radar for a bit now and called out Vio (who has already claimed). Vio, correctly called him out on it, because he has been more inactive than she has. Perhaps, he should be looked at.

unvote vote usAir (not that the vote matters, just letting Mets know where I am looking)

Side note, what do you make of Mets being the person who gets the hammer? Does this mean he is cleared and is town or was is a random thing? I'm not sure what to think.

chapcrap wrote:

Victor Sullivan wrote:

chapcrap wrote:Challenge Accepted!

Sully, what benefit do you have to offer to help town? Aren't your winning conditions based on the cult overtaking town? If this is true, you basically can no longer win either way.

To me, Sully (an edoc as well I supposed) can both be considered options for a lynch if there are no other options available to us during the day. However, with them not really being part of the mafia faction, they would probably be helpful for the town to keep around so that it takes longer for the mafia to kill the town off. Of course, there is the possibility that edoc and Sully are both mafia and followed each other's lead in concocting this story. I think that is less likely though.

For my money, I would not lynch edoc at all. I would only lynch Sully as a last resort. And I would probably only lynch Sully if I wasn't fully convinced that he could no longer recruit. That needs to be established before we continue. He says that he lost his recruits, but not that he can't recruit any longer. I would assume that he could still recruit. Is that true Sully?

As far as I know, yes.

-Sully

Challenge Accepted!

Ok, so he can still recruit, but he has offered to help town, so there is no reason to lynch him at the moment. If we must lynch someone though, he is the most obvious candidate. I think we should explore other options first. As far as I can see, usAir has been flying under the radar for a bit now and called out Vio (who has already claimed). Vio, correctly called him out on it, because he has been more inactive than she has. Perhaps, he should be looked at.

unvote vote usAir (not that the vote matters, just letting Mets know where I am looking)

Side note, what do you make of Mets being the person who gets the hammer? Does this mean he is cleared and is town or was is a random thing? I'm not sure what to think.

So why exactly shouldn't we have Mets lynch Sully? All Sully has to offer are a couple of one-shot abilities, but unless I missed something, his win condition shoud still be that of cult outnumbering town. With cult, I favor taking care of the recruiter now before he gets more recruits.

So unless Sully's win condition is not related to outnumbering town, I still favor killing him now because as of now, I cannot see how he can win at endgame with town.

safariguy5 wrote:So why exactly shouldn't we have Mets lynch Sully? All Sully has to offer are a couple of one-shot abilities, but unless I missed something, his win condition shoud still be that of cult outnumbering town. With cult, I favor taking care of the recruiter now before he gets more recruits.

So unless Sully's win condition is not related to outnumbering town, I still favor killing him now because as of now, I cannot see how he can win at endgame with town.

Challenge Accepted!

Well, if he lost all recruits (as was stated) then he is down to himself as the only cult member. Otherwise, he may have a few more (If there is some lying). However, it seems like this is genuine. So, at the most, there are 2 cultists (if edoc is still, which wouldn't make sense with the claims). So, it will be at least 3 days before he would be able to recruit enough people to overtake town. What I am saying is that if he is helpful for a day or two, then that would be good for town. And he can still be lynched later. Not that appealing of a gameplan for Sully, but what options does he really have left?

If Mets chooses Sully, I won't be mad. I'm simply advocating looking at others as well while Sully helps town for a night or two.

chapcrap wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:So why exactly shouldn't we have Mets lynch Sully? All Sully has to offer are a couple of one-shot abilities, but unless I missed something, his win condition shoud still be that of cult outnumbering town. With cult, I favor taking care of the recruiter now before he gets more recruits.

So unless Sully's win condition is not related to outnumbering town, I still favor killing him now because as of now, I cannot see how he can win at endgame with town.

Challenge Accepted!

Well, if he lost all recruits (as was stated) then he is down to himself as the only cult member. Otherwise, he may have a few more (If there is some lying). However, it seems like this is genuine. So, at the most, there are 2 cultists (if edoc is still, which wouldn't make sense with the claims). So, it will be at least 3 days before he would be able to recruit enough people to overtake town. What I am saying is that if he is helpful for a day or two, then that would be good for town. And he can still be lynched later. Not that appealing of a gameplan for Sully, but what options does he really have left?

If Mets chooses Sully, I won't be mad. I'm simply advocating looking at others as well while Sully helps town for a night or two.

It's true, he could be lynched later. But consider that we're basically allowing a cult recruiter to live, and potentially recruit more townies.

Now, if we go back to him later, he might have gained a couple more townies. But they could be useful townies too. I dunno if the cult recruits win with town, but I'd rather not take the chance and keep as many useful roles town as long as we can.

safariguy5 wrote:

chapcrap wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:So why exactly shouldn't we have Mets lynch Sully? All Sully has to offer are a couple of one-shot abilities, but unless I missed something, his win condition shoud still be that of cult outnumbering town. With cult, I favor taking care of the recruiter now before he gets more recruits.

So unless Sully's win condition is not related to outnumbering town, I still favor killing him now because as of now, I cannot see how he can win at endgame with town.

Challenge Accepted!

Well, if he lost all recruits (as was stated) then he is down to himself as the only cult member. Otherwise, he may have a few more (If there is some lying). However, it seems like this is genuine. So, at the most, there are 2 cultists (if edoc is still, which wouldn't make sense with the claims). So, it will be at least 3 days before he would be able to recruit enough people to overtake town. What I am saying is that if he is helpful for a day or two, then that would be good for town. And he can still be lynched later. Not that appealing of a gameplan for Sully, but what options does he really have left?

If Mets chooses Sully, I won't be mad. I'm simply advocating looking at others as well while Sully helps town for a night or two.

It's true, he could be lynched later. But consider that we're basically allowing a cult recruiter to live, and potentially recruit more townies.

Now, if we go back to him later, he might have gained a couple more townies. But they could be useful townies too. I dunno if the cult recruits win with town, but I'd rather not take the chance and keep as many useful roles town as long as we can.

But couldn't you do far better with a mafia lynch?

-Sully

I would say keep our options open look for a likely mafia however In the end I think it has to be victor for the lynch. Guaranteed cult is better than possible mafia at this point. As far as where to go, I'm still looking at LSU but I haven't really gotten around to rereading (the edocsil confession took my attention away from that).

Well I'm not really certain how we can do much better then kill a fully functional Cult Leader. Since I'm slightly committed at this point I am going to pound a few more nails into his coffin. First off, you only have his word he no longer has a kill and that he has no other recruits. Second off LaL is a good thing to go by and Victor lied even to those on his side. I wouldn't personally believe he is telling the truth at the moment for a second. *cough* POTC *cough* Anyhow, it really isn't up to us today, we will see what the boss has to say.

Victor Sullivan wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:

chapcrap wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:So why exactly shouldn't we have Mets lynch Sully? All Sully has to offer are a couple of one-shot abilities, but unless I missed something, his win condition shoud still be that of cult outnumbering town. With cult, I favor taking care of the recruiter now before he gets more recruits.

So unless Sully's win condition is not related to outnumbering town, I still favor killing him now because as of now, I cannot see how he can win at endgame with town.

Challenge Accepted!

Well, if he lost all recruits (as was stated) then he is down to himself as the only cult member. Otherwise, he may have a few more (If there is some lying). However, it seems like this is genuine. So, at the most, there are 2 cultists (if edoc is still, which wouldn't make sense with the claims). So, it will be at least 3 days before he would be able to recruit enough people to overtake town. What I am saying is that if he is helpful for a day or two, then that would be good for town. And he can still be lynched later. Not that appealing of a gameplan for Sully, but what options does he really have left?

If Mets chooses Sully, I won't be mad. I'm simply advocating looking at others as well while Sully helps town for a night or two.

It's true, he could be lynched later. But consider that we're basically allowing a cult recruiter to live, and potentially recruit more townies.

Now, if we go back to him later, he might have gained a couple more townies. But they could be useful townies too. I dunno if the cult recruits win with town, but I'd rather not take the chance and keep as many useful roles town as long as we can.

But couldn't you do far better with a mafia lynch?

-Sully

Yes, but I see no obvious mafia slipups, and given that you've admitted who you are, I think a cult lynch is just fine as it leaves less collateral damaged that you may be inflicting on town later by recruiting some of our members.

just a question, don't all cult recruits die if the leader dies?, more reason to kill him now before he gets more and they die too. (that is the way it was played on epicmafia at least).

drake_259 wrote:just a question, don't all cult recruits die if the leader dies?, more reason to kill him now before he gets more and they die too. (that is the way it was played on epicmafia at least).

It depends on the mod. Over here usually though I've noticed that cult members can survive without their "leader" usually. I still maintain there was nothing wrong with putting a guy at -1 when he had already claimed what appeared to be quite bogus

The problem with that is you put him at L-1 before he claimed.

He had been dancing around so I would do it again in a heartbeat other than knowing that he was a protown role. Besides the actual hammer is the one that you watch for in that case since it can lead to an easy scum for doing a quick hammer. -1 still is a fine number to pressure someone on.

strike wolf wrote:The problem with that is you put him at L-1 before he claimed.

Yeah I think you're searching too hard for that. L-1 isn't terrible or damning.

We will resist!

-Tails

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

strike wolf wrote:The problem with that is you put him at L-1 before he claimed.

Yeah I think you're searching too hard for that. L-1 isn't terrible or damning.

We will resist!

-Tails

Yeah, I remember a long time ago, L-1 was usually when someone claimed, maybe it was just a gradual shift into L-2 being the time to claim. I don't see anything too out of place there on LSU.

As of yet, I have obtained no understanding of why the accused would voluntarily submit to his own hanging by outing himself, despite the effort I have engaged in to obtain said understanding, in the typical affectation of an administrator.

Metsfanmax wrote:As of yet, I have obtained no understanding of why the accused would voluntarily submit to his own hanging by outing himself, despite the effort I have engaged in to obtain said understanding, in the typical affectation of an administrator.

You mean me? Well, I'm glad you asked, because...

I'm not a "cult" in the typical sense of the term; I am a "hipster cult". Hipsters keep things fresh, stay underground and give mainstream the other finger, because the finger, well, is too mainstream.

What I mean to say, is my "cult" is more of a survivor mason group. My "cult" wins if it survives to the endgame. I imagine there would be some consequences if we actually did become too large, as then we'd be the "mainstream group", if that makes sense.

That is why I outed myself and why I'm willing to help town on this one.

-Sully

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

strike wolf wrote:The problem with that is you put him at L-1 before he claimed.

Yeah I think you're searching too hard for that. L-1 isn't terrible or damning.

We will resist!

-Tails

*shrugs* Maybe but I have no other real leads at this point. I'm not trying to damn him but I am trying to pressure him a bit.

Victor Sullivan wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:As of yet, I have obtained no understanding of why the accused would voluntarily submit to his own hanging by outing himself, despite the effort I have engaged in to obtain said understanding, in the typical affectation of an administrator.

You mean me? Well, I'm glad you asked, because...

I'm not a "cult" in the typical sense of the term; I am a "hipster cult". Hipsters keep things fresh, stay underground and give mainstream the other finger, because the finger, well, is too mainstream.

What I mean to say, is my "cult" is more of a survivor mason group. My "cult" wins if it survives to the endgame. I imagine there would be some consequences if we actually did become too large, as then we'd be the "mainstream group", if that makes sense.

That is why I outed myself and why I'm willing to help town on this one.

-Sully

That doesn't really square with edoc saying you guys somehow have lost night PM abilities. Perhaps edoc could clarify what his WC is now, but the mason part of your clarification doesn't make sense now.

safariguy5 wrote:

Victor Sullivan wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:As of yet, I have obtained no understanding of why the accused would voluntarily submit to his own hanging by outing himself, despite the effort I have engaged in to obtain said understanding, in the typical affectation of an administrator.

You mean me? Well, I'm glad you asked, because...

I'm not a "cult" in the typical sense of the term; I am a "hipster cult". Hipsters keep things fresh, stay underground and give mainstream the other finger, because the finger, well, is too mainstream.

What I mean to say, is my "cult" is more of a survivor mason group. My "cult" wins if it survives to the endgame. I imagine there would be some consequences if we actually did become too large, as then we'd be the "mainstream group", if that makes sense.

That is why I outed myself and why I'm willing to help town on this one.

-Sully

That doesn't really square with edoc saying you guys somehow have lost night PM abilities. Perhaps edoc could clarify what his WC is now, but the mason part of your clarification doesn't make sense now.

I'm not following It is what it is...

-Sully

Victor Sullivan wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:

Victor Sullivan wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:As of yet, I have obtained no understanding of why the accused would voluntarily submit to his own hanging by outing himself, despite the effort I have engaged in to obtain said understanding, in the typical affectation of an administrator.

You mean me? Well, I'm glad you asked, because...

I'm not a "cult" in the typical sense of the term; I am a "hipster cult". Hipsters keep things fresh, stay underground and give mainstream the other finger, because the finger, well, is too mainstream.

What I mean to say, is my "cult" is more of a survivor mason group. My "cult" wins if it survives to the endgame. I imagine there would be some consequences if we actually did become too large, as then we'd be the "mainstream group", if that makes sense.

That is why I outed myself and why I'm willing to help town on this one.

-Sully

That doesn't really square with edoc saying you guys somehow have lost night PM abilities. Perhaps edoc could clarify what his WC is now, but the mason part of your clarification doesn't make sense now.

I'm not following It is what it is...

-Sully

So you said that you're like a third party survivor mason cult. Mason in the sense that you can PM with each other at night. But edoc (who you recruited) says you guys lost that ability. So unless there's some seriously different mechanic, I'm not sure how you get the mason part of it.

As for the survivor part, that may be true, depending on what edoc says.