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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:57 pm
by wicked
AndrewB wrote:Get my quotes correctly and check out that thread completely first. Don't pull out some sentences without the context.
umm, I did quote you directly, and the question you were answering, so nothing was out of context.
and I read your suggestion and through to that quote. whatever. I understand the need to have it not be a clan.
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:04 pm
by AndrewB
wicked wrote:AndrewB wrote:Get my quotes correctly and check out that thread completely first. Don't pull out some sentences without the context.
umm, I did quote you directly, and the question you were answering, so nothing was out of context.
and I read your suggestion and through to that quote. whatever. I understand the need to have it not be a clan.
Ok, the correct quote would have been:
AndrewB wrote:alstergren wrote:AndrewB wrote:AK_iceman wrote:And just out of curiousity, what clan are you in?
Super Elite
Since when did Super Elite become a clan?
Accordingly to CC definition it is a clan, I don't want to go into explaining differences for the sake of this suggestion.
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:05 pm
by wicked
yeah that says something totally different.
really.. it's ok!
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:38 pm
by AndrewB
wicked wrote:yeah that says something totally different.
really.. it's ok!
LOL
I'm just trying to avoid confusion for AAFitz
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:57 pm
by AAFitz
AndrewB wrote:wicked wrote:yeah that says something totally different.
really.. it's ok!
LOL
I'm just trying to avoid confusion for AAFitz
that is a difficult task my friend, confusion and I go way back...
Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:12 am
by Nephilim
wicked wrote:when i get beaten in an argument, i pretend that i didn't really care anyway. at the same time, i tell other folks that they post just to post. in other words, i talk out of both sides of my hairy mouthpiece
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:07 am
by Molacole
JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:Molacole wrote:so how many people from the super elite want to join my triples games?
Game #'s password is 123
344798
344801
344802
344803
344804
344805
344808
344810
344812
344814
344816
344822
344827
344858
345069
all welcome to join.
some are filled others aren't. Feel free to send in the super elite force to take us out!
sorry, im not super elite
how can it be called super elite if so many of the super elite players of this site aren't a part of it? Furthermore who created this super elite group because I woud love to know who self declared themselves super elite to the point that members have to "try out" to their standards to become super elite.
well anyhow these games have nobody in them so if any of you super elite would like to show how super elite you are then here's your opportunity!!
344801
344803
344804
344805
344808
344810
344812
344814
344816
344827
344858
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:34 am
by wicked
Neph, I have NEVER lost to you in an argument boy.
I was playing it off b/c I didn't want to have a battle of wit against an unarmed man. Was giving you an out. take it, cupcake.
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:25 am
by reverend_kyle
AndrewB wrote:wicked wrote:AndrewB wrote:Get my quotes correctly and check out that thread completely first. Don't pull out some sentences without the context.
umm, I did quote you directly, and the question you were answering, so nothing was out of context.
and I read your suggestion and through to that quote. whatever. I understand the need to have it not be a clan.
Ok, the correct quote would have been:
AndrewB wrote:alstergren wrote:AndrewB wrote:AK_iceman wrote:And just out of curiousity, what clan are you in?
Super Elite
Since when did Super Elite become a clan?
Accordingly to CC definition it is a clan, I don't want to go into explaining differences for the sake of this suggestion.
Xigames calls themselves more of a fight club, but a fight club where you can't join any other fight clubs.
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:57 am
by Molacole
wicked wrote:Neph, I have NEVER lost to you in an argument
boy.
I was playing it off b/c
I didn't want to have a battle of wit against an unarmed man. Was giving you an out.
take it,
cupcake.
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:31 am
by JOHNNYROCKET24
Molacole wrote:JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:Molacole wrote:so how many people from the super elite want to join my triples games?
Game #'s password is 123
344798
344801
344802
344803
344804
344805
344808
344810
344812
344814
344816
344822
344827
344858
345069
all welcome to join.
some are filled others aren't. Feel free to send in the super elite force to take us out!
sorry, im not super elite
how can it be called super elite if so many of the super elite players of this site aren't a part of it? Furthermore who created this super elite group because I woud love to know who self declared themselves super elite to the point that members have to "try out" to their standards to become super elite.
well anyhow these games have nobody in them so if any of you super elite would like to show how super elite you are then here's your opportunity!!
344801
344803
344804
344805
344808
344810
344812
344814
344816
344827
344858
its a popularity thing. just like the "clicks" that form during high school years. But you hit the nail on head. im currently ranked 3rd and hold the most triples and singles victories..... but im not "super elite"
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:13 pm
by Blitzaholic
JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:
its a popularity thing. just like the "clicks" that form during high school years. But you hit the nail on head. im currently ranked 3rd and hold the most triples and singles victories..... but im not "super elite"
This simply is not true JR, SE Group is collection of what we think are the greatest players or most of the greatest players on this site ever assembled, not only super players but super class. It is not all about rank, although that helps, but, it is also about skill, strategy, modeling behavior, wit, being able to have vision, see several moves ahead, knowing what the enemy is thinking and capitalizing on it to cripple them and counter, etc.
It is a Group that monitors and votes on CC players to see if they are deemed worthy to get in. Not all in SE get along or agree always, but we do all respect each others game.
Reasons why you or others may not be in, and I use the word
may is because of perhaps a few things, some are not interested and may be good enough, others have too much conflict with some of the members in the panel, and multi SE members has concerns about you or others, and another may be because they do not see enough skill or strategy in an individuals game play, or rank too low, and another reason may be they just are not familiar with some of players and do not have much experience playing them, et cetera, bla bla. I will not get into all the complex factors, but there is certain criteria every CC player must meet, and it is far beyond rank, although there is parameters surrounding this.
There are strict policies and guidelines in the SE group. All members have equal say and judge players very wisely, we do not always agree, and have to agree to disagree at times, it is a majority rules generally unless the voting process is extremely close or members are divided. Again, I will not get into all the specific details about the formula to get in and all the criteria necessary, but it is not elite, and it is not colonels, it's Super Elite. The 1st two groups I mentioned are based on rank alone, we are not, there is much more complex variables that will not be expressed in public, but I did give you a minimal view of some of the expectations.
This is all I will mention about this and hope this clarifies some for those that were or are curious. respects, Blitzer
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:17 pm
by JOHNNYROCKET24
Blitzaholic wrote:JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:
its a popularity thing. just like the "clicks" that form during high school years. But you hit the nail on head. im currently ranked 3rd and hold the most triples and singles victories..... but im not "super elite"
This simply is not true JR, SE Group is collection of what we think are the greatest players or most of the greatest players on this site ever assembled, not only super players but super class. It is not all about rank, although that helps, but, it is also about skill, strategy, modeling behavior, wit, being able to have vision, see several moves ahead, knowing what the enemy is thinking and capitalizing on it to cripple them and counter, etc.
It is a Group that monitors and votes on CC players to see if they are deemed worthy to get in. Not all in SE get along or agree always, but we do all respect each others game.
Reasons why you or others may not be in, and I use the word
may is because of perhaps a few things, some are not interested and may be good enough, others have too much conflict with some of the members in the panel, and multi SE members has concerns about you or others, and another may be because they do not see enough skill or strategy in an individuals game play, or rank too low, and another reason may be they just are not familiar with some of players and do not have much experience playing them, et cetera, bla bla. I will not get into all the complex factors, but there is certain criteria every CC player must meet, and it is far beyond rank, although there is parameters surrounding this.
There are strict policies and guidelines in the SE group. All members have equal say and judge players very wisely, we do not always agree, and have to agree to disagree at times, it is a majority rules generally unless the voting process is extremely close or members are divided. Again, I will not get into all the specific details about the formula to get in and all the criteria necessary, but it is not elite, and it is not colonels, it's Super Elite. The 1st two groups I mentioned are based on rank alone, we are not, there is much more complex variables that will not be expressed in public, but I did give you a minimal view of some of the expectations.
This is all I will mention about this and hope this clarifies some for those that were or are curious. respects, Blitzer
paragraph 1
obviously I have all those characteristics or I would not be able to obtain my current rank
paraghraph 2
"deemed worthy". again, 3200+ points with 2,500+ games with multi CC records proves im worthy
paragraph 3
"others may not like you". well here we go. the area I explained as a popularity vote. The fact is, I see players with 1600 points playing in SE games. I dont know who all the players are in this group, but I do see enough that clairifies my beliefs. Its safe to say that I meet all the requirments except for a feedback left by a player that showed no class by racing to the feedback section and leaving me one because he lost. which by the way, proves that players already within the group create conflict.
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:04 pm
by Robinette
JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:im currently ranked 3rd and hold the most triples and singles victories..... but im not "super elite"
nobody can deny that you are the most prolific gamesman in the CC community, but that is NOT what the the super elite is all about.
You have an impressive quantity of wins... which naturally come from being overly prolific.
Not to take anything away from you, but I did take a closer look and found that your winning % is below average when you have 4 or 5 opponents.
6 player std = 32 wins out of 204 games = 15.7%
5 player std = 8 wins out of 45 games = 17.8%
Interestingly, in the 14 games we've played in together, my results are unimpressive as well:
JohnnyRocket = 1 win = 7.1%
Robinette = 2 wins = 14.3%
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:56 pm
by JOHNNYROCKET24
Robinette wrote:JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:im currently ranked 3rd and hold the most triples and singles victories..... but im not "super elite"
nobody can deny that you are the most prolific gamesman in the CC community, but that is NOT what the the super elite is all about.
You have an impressive quantity of wins... which naturally come from being overly prolific.
Not to take anything away from you, but I did take a closer look and found that your winning % is below average when you have 4 or 5 opponents.
6 player std = 32 wins out of 204 games = 15.7%
5 player std = 8 wins out of 45 games = 17.8%
Interestingly, in the 14 games we've played in together, my results are unimpressive as well:
JohnnyRocket = 2 wins = 14.3%
Robinette = 2 wins = 14.3%
updated
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:09 pm
by Robinette
qeee1 wrote:... bah,lucky win.
congrats anyway
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:11 am
by Molacole
Robinette wrote:JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:im currently ranked 3rd and hold the most triples and singles victories..... but im not "super elite"
nobody can deny that you are the most prolific gamesman in the CC community, but that is NOT what the the super elite is all about.
You have an impressive quantity of wins... which naturally come from being overly prolific.
Not to take anything away from you, but I did take a closer look and found that your winning % is below average when you have 4 or 5 opponents.6 player std = 32 wins out of 204 games = 15.7%
5 player std = 8 wins out of 45 games = 17.8%
Interestingly, in the 14 games we've played in together, my results are unimpressive as well:
JohnnyRocket = 1 win = 7.1%
Robinette = 2 wins = 14.3%
What is average on CC? How did you find that figure because everyone knows your figures would be horribly inaccurate. Good luck to Anyone trying to get the average win/loss percentage of this site...
You're basically saying 15.7% and 17.8% for each category is below an average that
you don't even know exists.
All you did was say that your own winning average is 14.3% while playing against johnnyrockets and his overall average is 15.7%.
Considering you're super elite your winning percentage must not be"below average" (ie 15.7%,17.8%) so
IF your winning average is above 14.3% when you're not playing johnny then all you've really showed anyone is that johnny lowers your winning percentage. Well done johnny!
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:50 am
by Genghis Khan CA
I think the average win % should be easy to calculate.
For a six player game, one out of six players wins
every game, hence a win ratio of 16.67%.
For a five player game, one out of five players wins
every game, hence a win ratio of 20%.
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:11 am
by wicked
Oh this I've gotta hear. Robinete, what is your sample size for these "averages"? And did you look at all CC players? While I understand your need to find stats to show you're somehow superior, I seriously doubt what you're reporting is either accurate or representative.
Blitzaholic wrote: being able to have vision, see several moves ahead, knowing what the enemy is thinking
i.e. only playing players who are predictable.
Blitzaholic wrote:Not all in SE get along
ooh, that's a clan I want to be in. sign me up!
wow, you guys really must like your precious points to put up with playing people you don't like just b/c they're predictable and you won't lose a lot of points.
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:20 am
by Molacole
Genghis Khan CA wrote:I think the average win % should be easy to calculate.
For a six player game, one out of six players wins
every game, hence a win ratio of 16.67%.
For a five player game, one out of five players wins
every game, hence a win ratio of 20%.
lol yeah, but isn't that more like your chance of winning percentage than overall average win loss percentage?
I guess they could do all their individual members then average all their percentages out that way and only accpet members who meet their average win loss ratio.
Then they would have to get rid of the members who don't hold the average win loss percentage and keep doing it until 1 person is left...
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:40 am
by Genghis Khan CA
Molacole wrote:lol yeah, but isn't that more like your chance of winning percentage than overall average win loss percentage?
I guess they could do all their individual members then average all their percentages out that way and only accpet members who meet their average win loss ratio.
Then they would have to get rid of the members who don't hold the average win loss percentage and keep doing it until 1 person is left...
Chance of winning should equal the average win loss percentage over the entire site.
However, I understand now you are talking about the average win/loss for the super elite only...
lol I like your idea though - 1 person only would truly be super elite!
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:43 pm
by Nephilim
wicked wrote:Neph, I have NEVER lost to you in an argument boy.
I was playing it off b/c I didn't want to have a battle of wit against an unarmed man. Was giving you an out. take it, cupcake.
no need to get all up in a tizzy, wicky. it's pretty simple: you asserted that andrew said statement A. i argued that it was at least possible that andrew meant statement B. andred entered this thread and said he did, in fact, make statement B.
you misconstrued andrew's words, misrepresented them in this thread, and lost an argument to me. thank you for playing, it appears you may be unarmed, as you can't even tell when you've been beaten
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:51 pm
by steelplayin
this sounds like congress on CSPAN-I guess we have nothing else to do but nick pick all the inprerfections or perfections of SE. That is kind of what makes this fun though
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:10 pm
by wicked
Neph, all I did was quote Andy directly, saying SE was a clan. you're the one in a tizzy saying, omg, we're not a clan, please don't call us that. quite pathetic really. I understand your need to drag it out though. keep at it.
I have better things to do.
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:31 pm
by sully800
Molacole wrote:What is average on CC? How did you find that figure because everyone knows your figures would be horribly inaccurate. Good luck to Anyone trying to get the average win/loss percentage of this site...
You're basically saying 15.7% and 17.8% for each category is below an average that you don't even know exists.
All you did was say that your own winning average is 14.3% while playing against johnnyrockets and his overall average is 15.7%.
Considering you're super elite your winning percentage must not be"below average" (ie 15.7%,17.8%) so IF your winning average is above 14.3% when you're not playing johnny then all you've really showed anyone is that johnny lowers your winning percentage. Well done johnny!
As others said, the average number of wins in a 6 player singles game is of course 1/6. I'm not sure why that is so hard to figure out, or why you would say she doesn't know the average even exists.
Anyway, Robinette has won 50/158 6 player singles games, which is 31.64%. Well above the average 16.66% and over double JR's winning rate of 15.7% (source: Robinette). JR has played 46 more games of that type than Robinette yet she has won 18 more games than him.
Oh and by the way: I have won 33/80 6 player standard games for a win rate of 41.25%. So I've won more games of that type than JR has despite the fact that he was played more than 2.5 times as many of them as I have. And I'm sure if you looked at some of the other SE players their stats would trump mine for this type.