JK9++ ENDGAME Mafia Wins

[betiko]

well this rule is the whole point and strategy of this particular mafia game... why join it if it's the only real flavour in this game?
i think it can make the game quite interesting.

[jonty125]

Campin', time to claim you're at L-2, and I am willing to even drop the hammer on you, if you don't claim in a reasonable time.

[quote="samgrossy"]
Because I am such a horrible rules follower, for now I will VOTE COUNT B since him and I seem to have a lovefest of sorts in mafia games. /quote]

FOS samgrossy. He's still jokevoting but the game seems to have become serious.

[Count Belisle]

Thank you guy's for giving me a leave of absence. I'm back. I have read every thing and I have really nothing to add. do we weed out or hit up some of the Inactive? I think I need to go re-read everything just one more time to really get caught up.

Vote samgrossy Jut to let him know that I'm back

Thanks Count. Its nice to see you back. Hope RL got itself straightened out.

Where is Betiko? I have to UNVOTE VOTE BETIKO because of his mysterious "turn sitting" absence.

I suppose that this is not a huge deal, since Betiko isn't close to being lynched. However, I say we give him some time to return. It's seems legitimate that he went out of town, being that he has an account sitter. This is not your normal case of scumarining, and Betiko tends to be active when he is around.

Since pcm is the true veteran player out of all of us, I did expect more out of him. Once he realized that he was in this game, he should've become a bit more active. Just one post to come in here and say, "oh crap, I'm in this," but nothing else since then. It just doesn't seem like pcm. FOS on him for now.

UNVOTE VOTE PCM

even I have posted some while dealing with RL crisis, I'm new but PCM is a veteran to this game, I feel it is a tacit to stay low and quiet, there have been a awful lot of views to this thread, not much of posting of substance, so players are reviewing just staying quiet. could we prod PCM? I would like to hear for him, just to get the ball rolling.

[pancakemix]

UNVOTE VOTE PCM

even I have posted some while dealing with RL crisis, I'm new but PCM is a veteran to this game, I feel it is a tacit to stay low and quiet, there have been a awful lot of views to this thread, not much of posting of substance, so players are reviewing just staying quiet. could we prod PCM? I would like to hear for him, just to get the ball rolling.

Sorry, I've been lax in my mafia postings of late. Give me a moment to read up and I'll have something worthwhile shortly.

[pancakemix]

hmm... jonty wants to move the game along, but wont take any initiative. he simply votes no lynch (something most people think is scummy), and waits for other people to take action. unvote vote jonty

Please. Forced votes, I'm alright with No Lynch votes as long as they're not actually leaning that way/there's plenty of info.

This is day 1 and we don't have much to go on... jonty seems to be the biggest possibility so far not counting inactives so for now I have to go with Major FOS on jonty for

1 - voting no lynch, (relatively minor reason)
2 - the falsely claim comment (much more of a concern to me)

minor FOS on Vio for voting no lynch

You guys are reading waaaaay too much into that. It makes perfect sense the way he explained it. I know it's Day 1, but there's no need to find things where they aren't.

On Campin: Yeah, it's kinda ridiculous that he'd miss that rule after so much was made of it (even if it is annoying...). FOS him for now rather than vote, so things don't get out of hand.

[samgrossy]

At a funeral all day today. Can't read or post anything worthwhile, but still dedicated enough to make a post.

[betiko]

ok so we have like a week left. 13 players, so i guess 2 or 3 mafia.
I think we need to make someone claim to get a real discussion going on real evidence. Not sure yet who I want to make claim first; it's day 1 after all...
I'm staying on campin for now. Campin, would it be a problem for town if your role is revealed this soon in the game?

[lord voldemort]

unvote vote betiko....You want to push claims...claim yourself then?!
You dont need claims on day 1...that only helps scum. Scum slip perhaps?

[thechuck51]

unvote vote betiko....You want to push claims...claim yourself then?!
You dont need claims on day 1...that only helps scum. Scum slip perhaps?

Coming to campin's defense again?

[jonty125]

unvote vote betiko....You want to push claims...claim yourself then?!
...that only helps scum. Scum slip perhaps?

Whoa, hold your horses

and touché, why don't you claim?

You dont need claims on day 1

Can you explain this further?

[betiko]

unvote vote betiko....You want to push claims...claim yourself then?!
You dont need claims on day 1...that only helps scum. Scum slip perhaps?

you're not making any sense again. and yes, i push for at least 1 claim per day including day 1. what do you want, everyone to vote no lynch on day 1? wy even play on day 1 then?? Do you lynch someone without any claim? lol.
I'll claim if I'm pushed to, and it isn't the case just yet, sorry! Please explain me now what makes you think that it's useless to get claims on day 1?
The only way the town can advance is by getting new info every day; and our only weapon is lynching. I personally know crap about anyone here and a forced claim would start giving a direction.

[lord voldemort]

Why do I need to explain why claiming on day 1 is bad?? Do i need to fos all of you...or link you to a basic how to guide on mafia???
@chuck...couldnt care less about campin...did i mention him...or reference him??
All I did was pick up on betiko's obvious slip..."we need to make someone claim to get a real discussion going on real evidence. Not sure yet who I want to make claim first"
you dont need to make someone claim to get a discussion going...Shit like that gets discussion going no?

[betiko]

Why do I need to explain why claiming on day 1 is bad?? Do i need to fos all of you...or link you to a basic how to guide on mafia???
@chuck...couldnt care less about campin...did i mention him...or reference him??
All I did was pick up on betiko's obvious slip..."we need to make someone claim to get a real discussion going on real evidence. Not sure yet who I want to make claim first"
you dont need to make someone claim to get a discussion going...Shit like that gets discussion going no?

in that case why are you voting me instead of no lynch, please be logical. let's say votes start piling up on me and I end up at l-2; well then of course I would claim. you would then become the instigator of my claim though. or do you expect people not to claim at l-2?

I will never go for the no lynch option, lynching someone everyday is our only way to get info and chances to kill scum.

[betiko]

guys, maybe a bit noobish from me but i didn't know what JK9++ stands for and i got my answer, pretty sure it could be usefull for other players:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=JK9%2B%2B

[jonty125]

Why do I need to explain why claiming on day 1 is bad??

OK, I thought you had seen a D1 on CC Mafia. Convince me to have no claim on D1, this is why I think WE SHOULD.

Going into N1, without a claim is bad - because power roles are blind when targetting. Also, scum have control over the NK, so we need to make the most of the lynch.

[trinicardinal]

ok... I'm back out from an unexpected Holiday announced by our Government to celebrate what was only the second ever Olympic Gold Medal won by our country! so we got a special day off yesterday... me being not in work means net access is a lot more limited... I should be good for the rest of the week. now to deal with some of the items that I've read... first welcome betiko.. hope the vacation was good and I have to agree with you that Doom editing the vote counts is frustrating.... To be absolutely sure of the figures I'm going to have to do my own counts in full detail.

FOS Campin for missing the voting rule... seems rather strange given the number of conversations so far on that matter

@ pcm - yes we are probably reading too much into a number of comments or lack thereof so yes its Day 1... we're going to pick some small stuff and see what happens... for me its difficult to decide what might be a minor scum slip versus what might be nothing at all.... so I'm going to look at everything possible... right now it seems like most people have dropped very minor scum tells so I must say its tough.

@ betiko while I agree that claims provide information it is also true that they can sometimes be more beneficial to the scum and discussion is always useful. lynching is certainly our main weapon but we are likely to have others.. a lot is going to depend on what other power roles town has drawn for this setup... at this point we are in the dark about that. Especially after NBC mafia I understand some of the concerns about forcing early claims - we almost lost that game because of exposing our main power roles so early so I'm a little more cautious... If, however, discussion is not enough we do have to get the claims and lynch as necessary I still don't believe in a no lynch for Day 1 and yes it still means that we have to get at least one claim out. Also that link you posted is in our mod's first post so I'm a bit surprised that you missed it... FOS for that in the same way its strange that Campin missed the voting rule

[lord voldemort]

Why do I need to explain why claiming on day 1 is bad?? Do i need to fos all of you...or link you to a basic how to guide on mafia???
@chuck...couldnt care less about campin...did i mention him...or reference him??
All I did was pick up on betiko's obvious slip..."we need to make someone claim to get a real discussion going on real evidence. Not sure yet who I want to make claim first"
you dont need to make someone claim to get a discussion going...Shit like that gets discussion going no?

in that case why are you voting me instead of no lynch, please be logical. let's say votes start piling up on me and I end up at l-2; well then of course I would claim. you would then become the instigator of my claim though. or do you expect people not to claim at l-2?

I will never go for the no lynch option, lynching someone everyday is our only way to get info and chances to kill scum.

I never said that...but the idea of forcing someone to claim to just get the game rolling is wrong..
of coarse i expect a claim if someone is l-2

and @ jonty...ive been playing mafia on cc before you were even here man

Do you not get that scum want to kill townies right...so if townies start claiming they know who to target...hence claiming is a bad thing??
I actually didnt think I was playing this game with people who have little idea

[jonty125]

so if townies start claiming they know who to target...hence claiming is a bad thing??

But scum already know who the townies are! Busdrivers, docs, and watchers, can stop or deter scum from killing outed PR's.

[lord voldemort]

so if townies start claiming they know who to target...hence claiming is a bad thing??

But scum already know who the townies are! Busdrivers, docs, and watchers, can stop or deter scum from killing outed PR's.

town power roles**

[Iron Butterfly]

unvote vote betiko....You want to push claims...claim yourself then?!
You dont need claims on day 1...that only helps scum. Scum slip perhaps?

you're not making any sense again. and yes, i push for at least 1 claim per day including day 1. what do you want, everyone to vote no lynch on day 1? wy even play on day 1 then?? Do you lynch someone without any claim? lol.
I'll claim if I'm pushed to, and it isn't the case just yet, sorry! Please explain me now what makes you think that it's useless to get claims on day 1?
The only way the town can advance is by getting new info every day; and our only weapon is lynching. I personally know crap about anyone here and a forced claim would start giving a direction.

The reason Day one is so hard and at times seemingly wasteful is the fact that there is NO useful information. Personally I beleive ANY information starts the ball rolling. I understand and agree to what you say BUT claiming is an illusion. We then have to decide if the person is telling the truth or lieing. More often then not the person lynched is Town..not always...but very rarely is someone lynched day one and flips mafia.

What Lord V seems to be implying is that if one is keen eyed and knows what to look for they can work from that. It really does depend on what roles are present in game though. In my opinion what gets the ball rolling is not the claims themselves but how players respond to the claims and more importantly what Night Actions reveal.

[samgrossy]

Sorry for joke voting for too long. I had to place a vote and didn't know where to put it, so I came up with that one-liner. It seems though I may have found the first real thing that seems out of place.

unvote vote betiko....You want to push claims...claim yourself then?!
You dont need claims on day 1...that only helps scum. Scum slip perhaps?

Coming to campin's defense again?

I have read the thread and I don't see anywhere that LoVo is voting or supporting Campin', especially in this post. I think that this could be a case of a scum deflection away from Betiko (the person LoVo is criticizing) and to Campin'. This seems like a guilty post.

So, I say UNVOTE VOTE THECHUCK51.

What do you think?

[thechuck51]

I voted campin for not knowing the rules and who is the first to reply? LoVo

unvote vote campin it is clearly stated in the OP that you must have a vote placed at all times. I even joke voted violet for not casting a vote. Samgrossy in turned busted my balls about being a rules guy. Jonty and violet both voted no lynch and said they were doing it just because they had to have a vote on something. Yet somehow you are oblivious? My bet is that you are scum and have just been skimming.

skimming doesnt account for rules that arent the norm

Later, Betiko states he is leaving his vote on campin (essentially voting for campin) and who is the first to reply? LoVo

ok so we have like a week left. 13 players, so i guess 2 or 3 mafia.
I think we need to make someone claim to get a real discussion going on real evidence. Not sure yet who I want to make claim first; it's day 1 after all...
I'm staying on campin for now. Campin, would it be a problem for town if your role is revealed this soon in the game?

unvote vote betiko....You want to push claims...claim yourself then?!
You dont need claims on day 1...that only helps scum. Scum slip perhaps?

I have read the thread and I don't see anywhere that LoVo is voting or supporting Campin', especially in this post. I think that this could be a case of a scum deflection away from Betiko (the person LoVo is criticizing) and to Campin'. This seems like a guilty post.

It has nothing to do with betiko as LoVo first came to campin's defense after i voted for him. Vodean and violet noticed it too I believe.

[vodean]

can we get a vote count posted on this page please? im really confused about trying to figure out where people stand.

[trinicardinal]

can we get a vote count posted on this page please? im really confused about trying to figure out where people stand.

and is it possible for that vote count to not be edited after please? Pretty Please?

[redhedge47]

everyone I would like to apoligize for my lack of perticipation I have had lots of things I've been working on I will be more active in this game from now on