Age of Merchants - [Quenched]

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:58 am

No to continent bonuses - it ruins the whole idea of the game!!

C.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:08 pm

yeti_c wrote:No to continent bonuses - it ruins the whole idea of the game!!

C.

true

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:32 pm

i messed around with the colours and this is what i got:

hulmey · Post by **hulmey** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:30 pm

what i meant was DIM was to put this map you have made on this board.....See link below.

What do you think?

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14349

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:45 pm

hulmey wrote:what i meant was DIM was to put this map you have made on this board.....See link below.

What do you think?

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14349

i understand. nope sorry but the bill of rights map is not abandoned. it's just on vacation so the board will be used on that map not on this one. and i don't want to use it in both

JCRuffino · Post by **JCRuffino** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:20 pm

I still say take the colours away from the icons, it looks so much better without them and the colour outlines on them really doesn't add anything.

Except for possibly the treasure icons, I prefer them with colour.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:02 pm

i too prefer the map without colours around the symbols but people complain they can't see them

antjo · Post by **antjo** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:06 pm

do u need more space on your map ?
make the seas big rivers,
put the isles closer to each other

Anden · Post by **Anden** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:38 pm

AWSOME!!!!

Molacole · Post by **Molacole** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:47 am

Dim have you tried making the whole territory of each resource shaded? If you use really light colors and blend it from light to lighter it might look better than just the outline you've got now

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:48 am

DiM - a quick check on how the bonuses work...

Point 1
========
All Resources on one island plus market =
+2 for one resource and market
+2 for other resource and market
+2 for both resources and market
= +6 for holding 3 territories?

I think you shouldn't get the +2 for holding both so it only equates to +4?
========

Point 2
========
Resource on 1 island, Market on another plus connecting harbours
= +4.

If you have both resources on that island then this doubles to plus 8.
If you have both resources and the market on the resource island this equals
+4 +4 +2 +2 +2 = +14... (See point 1)

Thus +14 bonus for holding 6 territories?

I think that the foreign markets should only be Plus 2 again?
+14 turns to +10... (with above suggestion +8)
========

C.

JCRuffino · Post by **JCRuffino** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:51 am

DiM wrote:i too prefer the map without colours around the symbols but people complain they can't see them

maybe do it for the next poll, if the two maps are side by side hopefully everyone will see how much better the icons are without colours.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:07 am

Molacole wrote:Dim have you tried making the whole territory of each resource shaded? If you use really light colors and blend it from light to lighter it might look better than just the outline you've got now

i thought of doing that but after looking at various old maps i never saw this done. they either had outlines on the territories (like i have on the continents) or they had outlines on the important stuff (like i have on the resources) or they had no outlines (the way i really like it). and i only want to use one of these three options.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:13 am

JCRuffino wrote:
DiM wrote:i too prefer the map without colours around the symbols but people complain they can't see them

maybe do it for the next poll, if the two maps are side by side hopefully everyone will see how much better the icons are without colours.

yes. i'll ask a mod to remove the poll. i think it's clear people don't want continent bonuses

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:19 am

yeti_c wrote:DiM - a quick check on how the bonuses work...

Point 1
========
All Resources on one island plus market =
+2 for one resource and market
+2 for other resource and market
+2 for both resources and market
= +6 for holding 3 territories?

I think you shouldn't get the +2 for holding both so it only equates to +4?
========

Point 2
========
Resource on 1 island, Market on another plus connecting harbours
= +4.

If you have both resources on that island then this doubles to plus 8.
If you have both resources and the market on the resource island this equals
+4 +4 +2 +2 +2 = +14... (See point 1)

Thus +14 bonus for holding 6 territories?

I think that the foreign markets should only be Plus 2 again?
+14 turns to +10... (with above suggestion +8)
========

C.

yes i guess you're right. also there will be the default bonus for holding territories so i guess you have a valid point. remove the bonus for holding all resources and market from one continent. but i think for the foreign market there should still be an advantage. maybe +3 instead of +4, afterall you still have to bother conquering 2 more harbours.

or maybe something like this.
R+M on same continent +1
R+M on different conts +connecting harbours +2
all R + M on same continent +1

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:34 am

DiM wrote:
yeti_c wrote:DiM - a quick check on how the bonuses work...

Point 1
========
All Resources on one island plus market =
+2 for one resource and market
+2 for other resource and market
+2 for both resources and market
= +6 for holding 3 territories?

I think you shouldn't get the +2 for holding both so it only equates to +4?
========

Point 2
========
Resource on 1 island, Market on another plus connecting harbours
= +4.

If you have both resources on that island then this doubles to plus 8.
If you have both resources and the market on the resource island this equals
+4 +4 +2 +2 +2 = +14... (See point 1)

Thus +14 bonus for holding 6 territories?

I think that the foreign markets should only be Plus 2 again?
+14 turns to +10... (with above suggestion +8)
========

C.

yes i guess you're right. also there will be the default bonus for holding territories so i guess you have a valid point. remove the bonus for holding all resources and market from one continent. but i think for the foreign market there should still be an advantage. maybe +3 instead of +4, afterall you still have to bother conquering 2 more harbours.

or maybe something like this.
R+M on same continent +1
R+M on different conts +connecting harbours +2
all R + M on same continent +1

+3 sounds much better...

I know how to code this up now by the way - I've deduced the logic - the updated xml will be with you either later or tomorrow.

C.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:36 am

yeti_c wrote:
DiM wrote:
yeti_c wrote:DiM - a quick check on how the bonuses work...

Point 1
========
All Resources on one island plus market =
+2 for one resource and market
+2 for other resource and market
+2 for both resources and market
= +6 for holding 3 territories?

I think you shouldn't get the +2 for holding both so it only equates to +4?
========

Point 2
========
Resource on 1 island, Market on another plus connecting harbours
= +4.

If you have both resources on that island then this doubles to plus 8.
If you have both resources and the market on the resource island this equals
+4 +4 +2 +2 +2 = +14... (See point 1)

Thus +14 bonus for holding 6 territories?

I think that the foreign markets should only be Plus 2 again?
+14 turns to +10... (with above suggestion +8)
========

C.

yes i guess you're right. also there will be the default bonus for holding territories so i guess you have a valid point. remove the bonus for holding all resources and market from one continent. but i think for the foreign market there should still be an advantage. maybe +3 instead of +4, afterall you still have to bother conquering 2 more harbours.

or maybe something like this.
R+M on same continent +1
R+M on different conts +connecting harbours +2
all R + M on same continent +1

+3 sounds much better...

I know how to code this up now by the way - I've deduced the logic - the updated xml will be with you either later or tomorrow.

C.

great, you have the updated xml? i think i sent it to you.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:38 am

yup. i've sent it. it's on your mail.

previous poll:

Do you want bonuses for continents? (besides those for resources)
Yes 37% [ 6 ]
No 62% [ 10 ]

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:50 am

version A (with resource outline)

version B (no resource outline)

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:23 am

OK people - I'm pretty sure I've got this correct... but let me know if I haven't

The logic behind the bonuses for foreign markets is as follows...

You get +4 for every combination of... (4 combinations)
Resource
Foreign market
Local Harbour
Foreign Harbour

You get -4 for every combination of (2 combintations)
Resource
Foreign market
2 local harbours
1 foreign harbour

You get -4 for every combination of (2 combintations)
Resource
Foreign market
1 local harbour
2 foreign harbours

You get +4 for every combination of
Resource
Foreign market
2 local harbours
2 foreign harbours

C.

PS Note "+4" is subject to change to "+3" probably - dependant on what people reckon...

PPS this example is for one specific resource to one specific market.

i.e. Ricola's Iron to Fajone's market.

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:36 am

With regards to outlines or not...

It depends on what icon it is...

Treasure shouldn't have an outline.
Cattle should. Or a better icon... A single Cow instead of a Herd?
Market needs the outline closer.
Shells and Iron Ore work with the outline
Harbour needs a better icon - the lines are too bitty.

C.

PS There is no outline on Falta's X... however X's look way better without outline!!

PPS Also I think the Islands should have names themselves... will make the theme fit even tighter...

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:11 pm

you got the bonuses right

PS: i'm waiting for more feedback on outlines.

PPS: i could write the island names on the background of each island.

i'll post an image soon. right now i'm cooking something

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:56 pm

done with cooking and eating. here are the names. they may not be clear to some but they are really only for decorative reasons because continents have no bonus

bedplay · Post by **bedplay** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:02 pm

bloody complicated

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:10 pm

bedplay wrote:bloody complicated

what's so complicated??

you're a young merchant that inherited an old ship from his dearly beloved (but dead) uncle. so you decide to go to remote far away lands to seek fame and fortune. you get a hold of this map and travel with good winds. now because money just does not flow into your pockets by itself you have to sweat a little. conquer resource teritories and market territories and transport the goods. after you've established a good base on an island, there's no point in stopping there, conquer harbours and transport resources to neighbouring markets but everything goes well until you see there are other adventurers on this area, fight with them and defeat them and if you feel like playing dirty get friendly with local pirates, there's allways some booty waiting to be looted. in an Age of Merchents you must become the King of Merchants :wink:

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