ZaBeast wrote:Pika, didn't you say in your list Bard was nearly sure to be town?
And how was your revelation "bound to be harmful to town" if you were wrong? From what you said it's just guesswork anyways
My initial plan had been to suggest a mass character-name claim on day one, and failing that any other actions taken based on something which is untrue is bound to go wrong. Perhaps we would have lynched Ragian for instance.
Pikanchion wrote:...the likelihood of Bard as a town-sided character to counter Smaug (from a lore perspective, if not also mechanically should Smaug be a third party) means that in my mind it's probable that the role list is as follows...
Bard must be town (or at least a benign third party) if Smaug is in the game, if there is a mafia recruiter then Smaug is not on the mafia side (as there's no realistic way that Smaug would be a recruiter, and a four person mafia team with even one-shot recruitment abilities is not plausible), if Smaug is in the game as a third party they (while presumably a Serial Killer) haven't actually killed anybody yet from what we can tell, therefore if Smaug is in the game they must almost certainly be mafia-sided and the mafia don't have a recruiter.
If the mafia do have a recruiter (and Smaug is not in the game) then Bard no longer has to be Town in my eyes, and of course even if they were originally they could have been recruited.
First of all, Pika's flavour analysis is pure speculation, so I'm not sure why ZaBeast is taking any of it seriously. We already have ample evidence that this game's flavour is full of off-notes, so really anything is possible at this point.
@Thor, it's not the flavor I'm after, but Pika's justifications
@mitch, you did vote for KJ during that same day. He wasn't lynched, but he was still town; you didn't answer my first question
ZaBeast wrote:
madmitch wrote:
Yes I stuck my big foot in my mouth,I can't prove I am town until I take over the docter role and save someone ,I spoke in hopes that the mafia would come after me instead of the real Doc,I was not that important in the book or the movie just a side kick ,so I figure at least I could take 1 for the town.
Where were those feelings during D2? Remember, the time you didn't want to hammer dakky? And the first time you actually said you were super important was during D2 anyways so I don't see it making sense.
*24h of waiting
At the point we're at, I don't think it's wise to end the day before Flores comes back or a replacement is found (she's been AWOL since the end of D3). Which is also why the game is at a standstill now.
Now that I think of it, lynching mitch could be a great way to check Flores alignment
- mitch is a backup doctor: we have a doctor, therefore Flores is doc; there is at least one scum between Pika and/or Sam
- mitch is scum: gg town
- mitch's role talks about recruiting and town hasn't won yet: most likely the recruit would still be between the unconfirmed townies (because he likely couldn't recruit last night)
- mitch's role doesn't talk about recruiting: we have a scum left between the unconfirmed townies
I think it's a win/win unless I missed something. Vote mitch. According to my super extra good vote-counting skills, that puts him at L-1 (MP, sam, thor, me).
I'd still rather wait for FloresDelMal to respond or be replaced first though, if madmitch is Backup Doctor and then FloresDelMal doesn't return to protect somebody tonight for instance...
2 people on my wagon are on my scum list ,Samlen which I thought I made a pretty good case about why I found him scum and Thorth because he jumped on me for asking a simple question no other reason, for now I will vote Sam
I was definitely pro waiting until all the slots are filled early on in the game... but see little indication that Flores' spot will be filled any time soon... Even if it were, there is likely not much they could offer in terms of quality intel of who is town & isn't. If her role is a protection one, it would be beneficial to wait but since there was no kill last night when she was already AWOL, I think that reduces the likelihood of her being a doc... She could just as well be the recruiter, in which case it would be in town's best interest to move things along. I don't see a better lynch candidate at the moment & would prefer someone to just drop the hammer.
ZaBeast wrote:Is there still hope of having a replacement?
I'll put it bluntly, I was the one that PM'd LV.
I'd ideally want to help, however, I simply don't have the time to go over 50 pages of posts.
IF someone can give me a rundown of: What's happened, major points of what has happened, everyone's thoughts on people, why they are town/mafia, why they should be voted etc. I will possibly replace to get this game rolling.
I don't like seeing games stall, and this is near the end of the game from what I can see, but again, I simply don't have the time to review 50 pages and form my opinions. Based on my schedule, it would take me about a week to read everything.
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2018-08-09 16:02:06 - Mageplunka69: its jamaica map and TFO that keep me on this site
Here's my (non-exhaustive) summary of the game so far
D1: Pika says he has super special info and wants to know if anybody is playing more than one dwarf; 2 wagons: thor acting scummy and MM not participating much. thor gets mod-confirmed town, his votes shift to HotShot. No lynch.
D2: No kill, dakky comes out asking for night actions, then votes the mod-confirmed thor. Votes start piling up, he claims vengeful. Pika says it's even better to lynch a vengeful townie than a vanilla townie, modkill because no replacement is found for IcePack, dakky gets lynched. Turns vengeful scum, shoots DDS (flavor cop)
D3: skoff (mason) is found dead. pika posts a list of the dwarves and says he has reasons to think less important dwarves are fake claims for scum; MM comes forward as the other mason. No counter-claim, and skoff defended him quite a lot in D1. Votes for MP, claims Gandalf, but doesn't reveal what his role is. Votes shift to Ragian, who refuses to claim as well. After refusing to claim for a while, because MP didn't, he claims jailor. Speed lynch on BuJ (vanilla) because the deadline was approaching. Pika, and Flores to a lesser extent, pressuring Ragian (mostly because he left his claim until the last minute because he was butthurt people weren't believing him) then voting BuJ. Flores disappears after the day ends
D4: Ragian (jailor) dead. Thor says he used an item Gandalf (MP) gave him to confirm me as town. KJ also received an item (roleblock) from MP, not used yet. Sam claims bard, HotShot gets lynched, turns out spy (scum, unkillable by scum, and therefore probably unknown to scum; "Immune to recruiting"). KJ expresses suspicions over Pika, but most importantly mitch
D5: KJ (vanilla) dead; pika claims VT, and said that since an important character was VT, he believed that the least important ones had to be scum, Sam says he killed KJ, mitch claims back-up doctor, only person left that could be doc is Flores, MM says he got a one-shot doc ability from MP and used it on pika
I don't feel like checking up the votes.
Confirmed town (non scum, unless the "immune to recruiting" line in HS's role means scum can make a townie join their side)
Thor (innocent child)
MM (mason)
MP (inventor)
Me (I like to keep it a mystery. But I'm not doc)
Non-confirmed (at least one scum between themm)
mitch (claimed backup doctor)
Pika (claimed VT)
Sam (claimed two-shot vig)
Flores (unknown)
tbh, there's not that many leads. Seems I was wrong in most of my picks, like the rest of town, but I think mitch is a great choice for today, and because of his claim. If he's town, we can confirm Flores is doc, and there would be at least one scum between Sam and Pika. Since Sam claimed 2-shot vig, should be easy if he is who he says he is (there shouldn't be a buser, because it seems the gift of the one-shot protection was processed during the night, as MM could use it on pika). If mitch is scum, great. And for the record, if mitch is scum, I'd be suspicious of Flores as well, because of the way she defended him during D3.
Therefore, I'd say we should lynch mitch and go on from there depending on his role. I find it unlikely there's going to be a better candidatet, and it's the easiest way to check the alignment of Flores.
Overall, zaBeast's summary is apt.
But to clarify, I received the Light of Earendil anonymously early in the game and later used it to determine ZaBeast was town (at least at the time...) but then later still, on Day 4, on a hunch that Gandalf had given me the object, I asked MP to explain to me what it was. he did so giving excellent confirmation of his role as Gandalf.
