Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[betiko]

I'm going to vote hippo, for rolefishing and if Leehar was scum I highly doubt he wouldn't get involved in two town lynches.

or not? a mafia that would play well would try to do that. and i don't see what's the harm in hippo's question. trying to fish for roles now gets people to be voted against? so asking sneaky questions makes you suspicious? a bit ridiculous. FOS jointy

Yes, being sneaky makes you suspicious. FOS betiko.

i ve seen players very good at asking sneaky questions that were great help for town. they were asked in a way that the "defendant" didn't understand where it was leading to and made the person nervous. that's how i see hippo's questions right there and i don't see how it's scummy.

[safariguy5]

Announcement
vodean replaces dazza.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

clever(5)- doom, neb, leehar, jak, dj
sg7(1)- betiko
hippo(1)- jonty
betiko(1)- everywhere

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

[Leehar]

All votes on dazza are wiped then?

[safariguy5]

All votes on dazza are wiped then?

The only vote on dazza was soundman and he unvoted.

But yes, if someone is replaced, his vote and all votes on him are wiped.

[pmchugh]

Ghostly and Dazza are both on my radar. Ghostly last posted on the 15th asking a question and saying he's almost read up.

Guys I am read up just about. I have never seen the matrix though so I do have one question. Are the twins both good, both bad, or does one go against the other? I am just getting some background info.

Yet he hasn't said a thing since. You caught up yet, Ghostly? And to answer your question they were both bad.

Dazza hasn't posted since the 4th. That's thirteen days ago. Here's his last post from the beginning of Day Two.

Nope, hopefully someone got some info. A night action would be good for once v.v ~Is hated by all the mods~

Hmm, I wonder though, the first part of the scene says they got away, so either Doc saved him/her or killer was roleblocked.

Any ideas for a lead?

Could be a roleblock or a doc save. I can't really tell from the scene.

Other than this one post at the beginning of Day Two commenting on the scene he hasn't uttered a word. Vote Dazza.

In the last matrix mafia, the Merovingian and his programs were not bad guys. As the previous Merovingian I feel obligated to point that out.

For such an experience player you seem to be not offering much in this game when you post, except from flavour speculation. unvote vote edoc

[thechuck51]

First thing, I apologise to you Leehar. I missed the point of your posts ... every one of them. Obviously you know something the rest of us dunderheads don't and we need to listen to you.

I'm not really opposed to it, but we're still on inactive-hunting then?

I'm a bit dissapointed in this Leehar. Your flavour throughout this game has been one of someone who knows something and being disapproving of those who have voted for people who turned out to be town. To be behaving that way, apparently knowing something, then either you are full of it or your are not sharing. There's two ways you could know something. The first is that you are mafia and trying to act like town because you look great every time there is a town kill and you had disapproved of it. The second is that you have some special power, like town cop, and have investigated these people. If it is the former then you are in big trouble. If it is the latter then hiding this isn't helping town at day three. But inactive hunting when there is so much information available? Come on! I really need a clear answer from you on this Leehar because, refer my long-winded precise of the first two days, I was beginning to think that I had you all wrong and I whoudl have listened to you earlier. But hindsight is a perfect science. So, Leehar, time to speak up!

-Hippo, why are you so convinced that Leehar knows anything the rest of us don't?

-The second quite seems to be a bit of an over-reaction to what seems to me to be a reasonable statement/question.

-there may be a lot of information but unfortunately it is incomplete and there are no definite leads to work off of

[vodean]

im confirmed, and ill try to keep up... just give me a bit guys, thanks

[edocsil]

Ghostly and Dazza are both on my radar. Ghostly last posted on the 15th asking a question and saying he's almost read up.

Guys I am read up just about. I have never seen the matrix though so I do have one question. Are the twins both good, both bad, or does one go against the other? I am just getting some background info.

Yet he hasn't said a thing since. You caught up yet, Ghostly? And to answer your question they were both bad.

Dazza hasn't posted since the 4th. That's thirteen days ago. Here's his last post from the beginning of Day Two.

Nope, hopefully someone got some info. A night action would be good for once v.v ~Is hated by all the mods~

Hmm, I wonder though, the first part of the scene says they got away, so either Doc saved him/her or killer was roleblocked.

Any ideas for a lead?

Could be a roleblock or a doc save. I can't really tell from the scene.

Other than this one post at the beginning of Day Two commenting on the scene he hasn't uttered a word. Vote Dazza.

In the last matrix mafia, the Merovingian and his programs were not bad guys. As the previous Merovingian I feel obligated to point that out.

For such an experience player you seem to be not offering much in this game when you post, except from flavour speculation. unvote vote edoc

You are more experienced then I am. You haven't been offering anything much better. Life is insanely busy, and I am having a hard enough time just keeping up and posting intelligently, mush less leading the party.

[pmchugh]

I guess that was a bit hypocritical of me, if yer busy yer busy. unvote

[vodean]

here's a top-somenumberofposts list of scummy posts throughout the game, seeing as i just joined and had to read the whole 70 pages (making a 70 page thread makes you all scum, so vote everyone? or everywhere?) FOS everyone, at any rate the spoiler is all my justifications, in reverse chronological order, and the resulting FOSes are at the bottom

arguments

UNVOTE VOTE Nebuchadnezer

Let's get this game moving!

Neb, clearly scum for jumping on his own bandwagon... FOS Neb

Hmm, who's up for weeding the inactives out?

that, is a very, very scum move... the smiley only helped a little. scummer. also, if they were inactive, they were probably town. FOS jak

vote safariguy for an unimpressive role PM...

Send it to me, I will make it pretty and send it back.

VOTE DOOM for role fishing.

@chuck: We appreciate your activity and your involvement. It seems most people new to teh site sit in the corner and post little D1 (that wasn't me ), but you came out and made a whole case. + points to you
Unfortuneately, your case is invalid because it's based off jokes. It took me awhile to get used to the joke votes too, but that's what happens here on CC Mafia. Not sure what it's like where you're from, but here we joke around D1 until a serious case is presented.

And Yoshi, howthium did you find all my scumbuddies already?! Are we that obvious?

-SG7 ( )

only scum would confess to being scum, even on day 1... so clearly scum. FOS Doom for rolefishing and FOS SG7 for above

One is my favourite because I had a map generator with it which included a random map feature, so I could make a random map and then balance it. The first-person RPGs are pretty awesome too. Bonus points if you love killing the followers of Baa as much as I do.

In any case; it is time to start getting serious. There are 3 main BWs. Perhaps we could consolidate and just do a random BW to claim on one of the 3?

Yes, please. Let's do something to move this along...

FOS Doom for proposing a random lynch and FOS Neb for agreeing .5 FOS milkshake for possibly agreeing, and FOS chuck for the same.

Shhh....Doom....you're making our plan to lynch shield Day 1 in every game too obvious...he's going to catch on, soon....

FOS everywhere for perhaps jokingly, but still having admitted to being scum.

oh! band wagon! Unvote Vote Neb!

FOS milk for overt BW

There are 9 people NOT voting.

Those nine should vote now...or we just vote them to hang. That's a much simpler plan than a yoshi call. Lets at least get everyone with a vote somewhere for future reference...as much as this first vote means...

That just means 9 people never joke voted. That is no reason to pressure them. If they are completely inactive then maybe.

Why are you against the yoshi call? Got something to hide?

Nope. In fact I was at the bottom of the list, so I won't even have to rank anything. It just gets tiresome to sit through day one with absolutely no way to figure anything out. We all know the end result its a lynched townie anyway...why drag out the inevitable? Lets take our 5% shot and hear a claim...

Ok bud. Unvote vote Neb.

FOS Neb for supporting BW FOS dazza for BW

I agree with dazza here, Neb just seems to be playing "off" . He reacts to the joke pressure on him by voting himself... Says we should go after the 9 people that didnt cast a vote (even though his vote is on himself, I classify that as not really voting either. I like my vote on him until a stronger case presents itself.

Why go against the role call? It promotes activity from anyone by asking real questions to people. Rather than people popping in for 1 line votes

unvote vote neb

.5 FOS MoB for BW with reason

TBH I think the roll call is dumb too, but its scummy apparently to say that soo...

Either way neb is being hypocritical in his argument vs his vote so that is enough for a vote from me

unvote vote neb

FOS edocsil for BW

OK....seeing how we have 24 people playing and it takes 13 to lynch Neb may as well be the first to claim.

Vote Neb

I believe he is now at L3

FOS Iron for BW

well since your so against claiming and your at l-3 and you said you will at l-2 vote neb just cause its gonna happen no reason in prolonging it.

FOS S7C for BW with poor reasoning

While IB should've attempted to at least speak in the first few Real Life days of this game, he/she has began posting finally, though I must say that Neb is OMGUS'ing so badly this game for some reason. Also he is avoiding speaking up when so near a lynch, bad choice and scummy mate.

Unvote, Vote Neb

FOS jak for BW with poor reasoning

Iron Butterfly
Cowboyz (Never said anything since two days ago and that was in the joke vote stage)
Crazymilkshake (Never posted much of import besides joking around or voting band wagon votes with NO explanation)
Eldario (made 3 posts, 1 to join, 1 to confirm, and one to vote Neb)
Ghostly (made 3 posts, 1 to join, 1 to confirm, and one to say he was reading up on the game 3 days ago)
Soundman (For only joke voting, making himself lay low and seem active every 2 days)
Spartacus (Only joke voting so far, also hasn't posted in 3 days)

FOS jak for wanting to vote inactives

I want to see what both of them have to say first. I will vote when I want to mate.

FOS dazza for having a low sex drive... only scum would have low sex drives

unvote vote thehippo. His vote is flip-flopping worse than a wet flip-flop. He votes edoc, next post unvotes. And then the pressure moves on to IB and he votes IB.

FOS edoc for being a flip-flop

So you made your list not for the common good of catching scum but in learning tactic of players you are playing? You make no mention of pressuring scum behavior. In essence you are creating a list that fits to your criteria and not anyone else.

What you seem to be saying is that you want others to pressure me to claim not because I have done anything wrong but because I would suit your agenda. You want to learn my tactics, whatever that means. You also seem to believe that you are the reason I am now posting actively. Having a child and family, job and real life drama combined with a useless joke vote phase AND other Mafia games couldn't possibly been the reason. In your eyes, because you got me playing that now entitles you to put me on a list to be pressured to claim?

At the end you seem to imply you don't want us lynched you just want information to take into the evening, which implies you would be happy with a no lynch as well.

the search for a claim seems to be an attempt to get a role so that he can be killed if he has a role... 2 FOS Iron

I disagree that jak is Scummy. What I am noticing is a lot of twisting of words and BW jumping. Twisting by IB and neb, BW by hippo and everywhere. I am going to spend the next couple days on a leisurely read through and try to narrow my scope on those 4. Most likely, I will end up voting IB, but that is because we already have a claim from neb and everywhere and hippo have been pretty quiet.

2 FOS doom for finger-pointing and redirecting suspicion without reason

total FOS tallies are as follows (some errors):
Neb - 3
Doom - 4
milkshake - 1.5
jak - 3
SG7 - 1
everyone - 1
chuck - 1
everywhere - 1
dazza - 2
edoc - 2
iron - 3
S7C
MoB - .5
everyone - 1

and so my vote would have been with neb at first, but i think he was town, and just being dumb... I do think he was possibly hiding SOMETHING... perhaps he is scum? i have worked my way in a circle... sorry.


note: it kinda is day 1 for me... so please forgive SOME of these things.
also, sorry if i missed any scummy posts.
i may have one or two miscounts, and i will finish the other 50 pages later.
how has jak not been lynched?
FOS Doom for defending Jak and generally being evil. I think Jak and Doom are mafia together, which makes sense... they have admitted to being alligned together, and both are kinda suspect. they may not be that stupid, or they might... it worked, none of them got lynched.but none got NKed either, so definite FOS

after a few hours i got bored and stopped quoting... sorry... but Im still going with a vote doom for now (ive thoroughly read 35 pages, and will continue reading)

[vodean]

Lets disect it:

I'm not a vt

if thats true, and you havent been killed, you are either very lucky, mafia, or the mafia are dumb... and never count on the enemy being dumb.

[thehippo8]

-Hippo, why are you so convinced that Leehar knows anything the rest of us don't?

-The second quite seems to be a bit of an over-reaction to what seems to me to be a reasonable statement/question.

-there may be a lot of information but unfortunately it is incomplete and there are no definite leads to work off of[/color]

Fair question. I won't repeat my longwinded overview. But in essence, Leehar seemed so aloof with each bandwagon and directly Fosed those involved. It seemed all too scummy for me at the time and I thought Leehar was either trying to confuse us, or distract us, or was scimming or otherwise playing contrary to the general flow of the arguments. It was only when I went back and looked at everything that it seemed clear that Leehar was telling us stuff not just being obtuse. I kicked myself and assumed that Leehar must actually really be twon but a power role and not wanting to let us know what was going on. Then Leehar comes in with the let's go for inactives and I considered that deserved a challenge. I'm unsure of his response but you will see I havn't pushed it. My vote remains on Jonty.

See above - the purpose of being in Leehar's face was in the hope that he would take me seriously (given I've been so flaky in day 1 and 2 I think a stern comment was required).

I completely agree. That's why I did my epic post. IMHO there are some clear patterns there.

@ vodean - welcome. Still thinking about what you said but good one actually getting stuck in there!

[thehippo8]

The pink response was to chuck's information point in case that wasn't obvious - weird how the first part of the color tag is missing, sorry about that.

[vodean]

i summary of the long post, my biggest FOSses so far are Jak, Doom, Jonty, and then keeping an eye on hippo...

edit: hippo fingered jonty ( ) and so i dont think they're BOTH mafia, considering how early on it was.

[vodean]

oh, and sorry for editing... im only adding more stuff and i figure its ok since im so far behind

[vodean]

if you would prefer i just put it in a new post, and then it looks a little like it does now, with a whole lot in sequence then i will... sorry. havent been in an active mafia game in years on CC, and sometimes forget the rules even though ive read them a bunch since getting back... again, sorry.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

clever(5)- doom, neb, leehar, jak, dj
sg7(1)- betiko
hippo(1)- jonty
betiko(1)- everywhere
doom(1)- vodean

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

I remind everyone not to edit posts. Doing so may result in a Modkill.

[jak111]

oh, and sorry for editing... im only adding more stuff and i figure its ok since im so far behind

You'll have to see what Saf says, but usually editing will result in a quick mod kill, so watch yourself, also editing past posts will make some of your information unintentionally skipped because someone may read it once and be done with it. Minor FOS for doing that, but the reason it's only minor is because you're new.

As to answer your question, we haven't been lynched yet, but that's because we're claimed masons. I don't know why we weren't picked off yet at night but perhaps mafia believe they can turn us into the bad guys.

But now since I am reading your edits while posting this, that minor FOS has just been upgraded to an FOS for Skimming, FOS'ing a dozen different people in the same post (Hopefully you know FOS is for a serious thinking they are mafia, by your FOS's pretty much you believe everyone to be scum). Doom did have a reason, because we are masoned, which has been mentioned, but you say "redirecting suspicion without reason" "they have admitted to being alligned together" I'm sorry if I come off rude here, but you can't say both and have both of them be correct, so what is your opinion? Pick one, not both

Also, another reason I'm leaving you at an actual FOS, is because I know your new but you should have noticed we're well out of the joke vote stage, so 'joke FOS's' aren't very tolerable neither.

Besides what I've mentioned, if it weren't for you being new, you would have received my vote, not because of who you believe are scummy, but why. Which I can't answer because you're unclear when you state two contradicting sentences in the same post.

Anyhow, welcome to the game, and if you care to catch up, right now there's pressure on CLEVER, so if you find anything interesting on him, bring it forth would ya?

Fastposted x2, alright vodean, Saf let the edit slide, just remember it isn't accepted in the mafia forums to do it. A triple post is better than an edit here.

[pmchugh]

You guys never name claimed right? I don't see you guys doing that as scum, but perhaps as some third party group. I think you two should name claim, I don't see what you have to lose from doing that.

[jak111]

You guys never name claimed right? I don't see you guys doing that as scum, but perhaps as some third party group. I think you two should name claim, I don't see what you have to lose from doing that.

I'll wait for Doom to see if he wants to, otherwise you're gonna have to WIFOM a bit to make sense of it.

Though a note to Doom, remember, our luck is growing thin, if we're going to get passed tonight we're going to need town's help.

[thechuck51]

You guys never name claimed right? I don't see you guys doing that as scum, but perhaps as some third party group. I think you two should name claim, I don't see what you have to lose from doing that.

I'll wait for Doom to see if he wants to, otherwise you're gonna have to WIFOM a bit to make sense of it.

Though a note to Doom, remember, our luck is growing thin, if we're going to get passed tonight we're going to need town's help.

I asked if they would name claim a couple pages ago and doom shot it down. I have an idea who they are but I don't know if it is appropriate for me to say.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

for the fos on me.
why am i fosed for putting a guy who would not claim at l-3 at l-2 when someone else obviously would have. he said that he would not claim at till l-2 so i pushed him one more. not really a big deal. but fos if you want. lol and why do i have so many votes on me? i thought i defended myself pretty well xD lol

[Nebuchadnezer]

Of course you defended yourself...any player in this game would...however, I don't have a better target right now.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Of course you defended yourself...any player in this game would...however, I don't have a better target right now.

lol i know i was just saying cause all the crap flying around is getting annoying so i needed a break