Abortion is a Blessing!

[jay_a2j]

Just to let you all know, this means nothing to me

That is your choice and sadly many others feel the same way.


Edit: and Inky that's all well and good if your ex is GOD. God makes the rules not us.

Jay we have simply placed bets on different horses , Only difference is that I dont bang on in an insufferable manner about backing a certain winner

My horse has already won, just trying to get you to change bets before the race is over.

[Timminz]

Blind faith is a beautiful thing.

[Bones2484]

My horse has already won, just trying to get you to change bets before the race is over.

Last time I checked, your horse hasn't even made an appearance at the starting gates. But don't worry, I'm sure if you have enough faith he'll show up sometime!

[jay_a2j]

Blind faith is a beautiful thing.

I'll have to take your word on this, it's not my area of expertise.

[Snorri1234]

I can't help but giggle at abortion-debates with people who think abstinence-only educatino is a good idea.

[captain.crazy]

I can't help but giggle at abortion-debates with people who think abstinence-only educatino is a good idea.

I find the two unrelated. the notion of "Don't have sex unless you are ready to accept the potential responsibility of those actions" is far and away from "don't suck that fragile instance of human life from your womb because that is murder, and surely that person has rights too."

[Snorri1234]

I can't help but giggle at abortion-debates with people who think abstinence-only educatino is a good idea.

I find the two unrelated. the notion of "Don't have sex unless you are ready to accept the potential responsibility of those actions" is far and away from "don't suck that fragile instance of human life from your womb because that is murder, and surely that person has rights too."

They similiar because they've both traded reason for Moral Highground. They're both without any proof of working/being true.


Also, the funny part is that you first tell kids nothing about safe sex and then blame them when they screw up.

[Timminz]

"Freedom for all! Rawr! Oh, except for women, and their reproductive organs. If we let them make their own decisions regarding their bodies, they might start thinking they have a say in society."

Can hypocrisy be considered ironic?

[captain.crazy]

I can't help but giggle at abortion-debates with people who think abstinence-only educatino is a good idea.

I find the two unrelated. the notion of "Don't have sex unless you are ready to accept the potential responsibility of those actions" is far and away from "don't suck that fragile instance of human life from your womb because that is murder, and surely that person has rights too."

They similiar because they've both traded reason for Moral Highground. They're both without any proof of working/being true.


Also, the funny part is that you first tell kids nothing about safe sex and then blame them when they screw up.

I think that there is a lot to be gained from abstinence. There is self respect from not being a slut. there is safety from SDT's, there is less emotional baggage from breaking relationships. And, of course, there is the good ole, "no sex, no baby" mantra. That is always a personal favorite.

I do understand where you are coming from. Nothing says loving like backhanding your 16 year old slut daughter that disobeyed her parents and is not 5 months pregnant. In fact, that split lip is the perfect way to show your child just how to raise a child, which has long stood the test of time, generation after generation...

I know... I go too far, I am just being sarcastic. I think that the point is this. You know that sex leads to babies. But even if you don't, your parents surely do. Of course, people goof on the abstinence issue... the thing NOT to do is to just kill the child because you got pregnant. What is sad to me is that the only way that you can justify abortion, is by suppressing the basic human rights to that child, even before it has the right to draw his or her first breath. Its murder...

[captain.crazy]

"Freedom for all! Rawr! Oh, except for women, and their reproductive organs. If we let them make their own decisions regarding their bodies, they might start thinking they have a say in society."

Can hypocrisy be considered ironic?

Yes! because when you are free to f*ck, you should be free to kill!!! every body kill!!! YAY MURDER!!! KILL KILL KILL!!!

[Lord and Master]

Abortion IS murder.
It's always possible to argue, convincingly, any point of view if you feel like it.
Doesn't make it right though...

[Snorri1234]

I can't help but giggle at abortion-debates with people who think abstinence-only educatino is a good idea.

I find the two unrelated. the notion of "Don't have sex unless you are ready to accept the potential responsibility of those actions" is far and away from "don't suck that fragile instance of human life from your womb because that is murder, and surely that person has rights too."

They similiar because they've both traded reason for Moral Highground. They're both without any proof of working/being true.


Also, the funny part is that you first tell kids nothing about safe sex and then blame them when they screw up.

I think that there is a lot to be gained from abstinence. There is self respect from not being a slut. there is safety from SDT's, there is less emotional baggage from breaking relationships. And, of course, there is the good ole, "no sex, no baby" mantra. That is always a personal favorite.

I do understand where you are coming from. Nothing says loving like backhanding your 16 year old slut daughter that disobeyed her parents and is not 5 months pregnant. In fact, that split lip is the perfect way to show your child just how to raise a child, which has long stood the test of time, generation after generation...

I know... I go too far, I am just being sarcastic. I think that the point is this. You know that sex leads to babies. But even if you don't, your parents surely do. Of course, people goof on the abstinence issue...

They don't just goof. All research shows that abstinence-only education is the same as not telling them anything. It just doesn't work. You can tell kids that the only way to avoid pregnancy is abstinence, but you'd be a fool to believe that means they won't have sex.

And unless you don't first change that it's futile to argue against abortion.

[Timminz]

Abortion IS murder.

You misused the word "is".

[captain.crazy]

And unless you don't first change that it's futile to argue against abortion[/b].

The two are unrelated.

[Snorri1234]

And unless you don't first change that it's futile to argue against abortion[/b].

The two are unrelated.

No they are not. There are so many teenage pregnancies that outlawing abortion or putting more restrictions on it is nearly impossible because people really want the option.

You need to first do something about the reason there are so many abortions before you can do anything about the issue itself. Unless you don't care about fixing things and just like to put on some ineffective laws on things to keep your worldview steady and not contradicted.

[captain.crazy]

And unless you don't first change that it's futile to argue against abortion[/b].

The two are unrelated.

No they are not. There are so many teenage pregnancies that outlawing abortion or putting more restrictions on it is nearly impossible because people really want the option.

You need to first do something about the reason there are so many abortions before you can do anything about the issue itself. Unless you don't care about fixing things and just like to put on some ineffective laws on things to keep your worldview steady and not contradicted.

You are making it sound as though there are a TON of little christian girls running around getting knocked up and then having abortions. People don't want sex education taught in schools because they want to teach their children in their own way. The parent of the pagan abortion machine child should consider the same course. You can tell kids till you are blue in the face that condoms are the way to go, but they will still neglect to use them because it feels better to not use them.

Abortion is a completely different matter. it goes beyond sex education. It touches on the basic right to life issue. That debate starts from the moment that your birth control method failed you.

Further, abstinence is a negligible form of birth control. Far more prevalent is conventional birth control... it just fails as bad.

[Lord and Master]

Abortion IS murder.

You misused the word "is".

How? I should have used "=" instead? You try putting a capital "="!

[jay_a2j]

"Freedom for all! Rawr! Oh, except for women, and their reproductive organs. If we let them make their own decisions regarding their bodies, they might start thinking they have a say in society."

Can hypocrisy be considered ironic?

Let's keep it real shall we? Abortion isn't about the rights over a woman's "reproductive organs", no one's trying to take them away. It's about having the right to murder. That is what abortion is. Abortion is the right to murder. Anyone who says this is not the case is in some serious denial.

[Snorri1234]

And unless you don't first change that it's futile to argue against abortion[/b].

The two are unrelated.

No they are not. There are so many teenage pregnancies that outlawing abortion or putting more restrictions on it is nearly impossible because people really want the option.

You need to first do something about the reason there are so many abortions before you can do anything about the issue itself. Unless you don't care about fixing things and just like to put on some ineffective laws on things to keep your worldview steady and not contradicted.

You are making it sound as though there are a TON of little christian girls running around getting knocked up and then having abortions. People don't want sex education taught in schools because they want to teach their children in their own way. The parent of the pagan abortion machine child should consider the same course. You can tell kids till you are blue in the face that condoms are the way to go, but they will still neglect to use them because it feels better to not use them.

Ofcourse, you're completely right. That's probably exactly the reason why std's and teenpregnancy are so low here. Or why the average age for first time sex is so high here. It can not have anything to do with the comprehensive sex-education we got, it's some weird effect caused by microchips implanted into our spinal cords.

You can claim that people don't want sex ed taught in school because they want to teach their children on their own, but really what they believe is that abstinence-only education works despite all the evidence to the contrary. It's absolutely moronic to argue that comprehensive sex education should not be taught in school. It's so tremendously stupid that to even suggest it places you almost immediately into the "Fundie not to be reasoned with"-catagory and basically invalidates any point you make even when it's unrelated to the issue.

Abortion is a completely different matter. it goes beyond sex education. It touches on the basic right to life issue. That debate starts from the moment that your birth control method failed you.

So you don't think that the fact someone got pregnant because they were told from a very young age that condoms fail all the time and that all methods of birth control suck except for abstinence is bad? You don't think it's partly your fault because you refused to tell them how to prevent it, even when you knew?

Further, abstinence is a negligible form of birth control. Far more prevalent is conventional birth control... it just fails as bad.

Ah I see. You're a moron.

[captain.crazy]

"Freedom for all! Rawr! Oh, except for women, and their reproductive organs. If we let them make their own decisions regarding their bodies, they might start thinking they have a say in society."

Can hypocrisy be considered ironic?

Let's keep it real shall we? Abortion isn't about the rights over a woman's "reproductive organs", no one's trying to take them away. It's about having the right to murder. That is what abortion is. Abortion is the right to murder. Anyone who says this is not the case is in some serious denial.

Give it time... Obama will want to sterilize crazy christian "breeders" before too long...

[captain.crazy]

And unless you don't first change that it's futile to argue against abortion[/b].

The two are unrelated.

No they are not. There are so many teenage pregnancies that outlawing abortion or putting more restrictions on it is nearly impossible because people really want the option.

You need to first do something about the reason there are so many abortions before you can do anything about the issue itself. Unless you don't care about fixing things and just like to put on some ineffective laws on things to keep your worldview steady and not contradicted.

You are making it sound as though there are a TON of little christian girls running around getting knocked up and then having abortions. People don't want sex education taught in schools because they want to teach their children in their own way. The parent of the pagan abortion machine child should consider the same course. You can tell kids till you are blue in the face that condoms are the way to go, but they will still neglect to use them because it feels better to not use them.

Ofcourse, you're completely right. That's probably exactly the reason why std's and teenpregnancy are so low here. Or why the average age for first time sex is so high here. It can not have anything to do with the comprehensive sex-education we got, it's some weird effect caused by microchips implanted into our spinal cords.

You can claim that people don't want sex ed taught in school because they want to teach their children on their own, but really what they believe is that abstinence-only education works despite all the evidence to the contrary. It's absolutely moronic to argue that comprehensive sex education should not be taught in school. It's so tremendously stupid that to even suggest it places you almost immediately into the "Fundie not to be reasoned with"-catagory and basically invalidates any point you make even when it's unrelated to the issue.

Abortion is a completely different matter. it goes beyond sex education. It touches on the basic right to life issue. That debate starts from the moment that your birth control method failed you.

So you don't think that the fact someone got pregnant because they were told from a very young age that condoms fail all the time and that all methods of birth control suck except for abstinence is bad? You don't think it's partly your fault because you refused to tell them how to prevent it, even when you knew?

Further, abstinence is a negligible form of birth control. Far more prevalent is conventional birth control... it just fails as bad.

Ah I see. You're a moron.

I think you're stoned again. Show me the statistics where the vast majority of unwanted teen pregnancies are a result of abstinence.

[Snorri1234]

I think you're stoned again. Show me the statistics where the vast majority of unwanted teen pregnancies are a result of abstinence.

I think you're stupid again (or never stopped being stupid). Show me were I even suggested such a thing?

[captain.crazy]

I think you're stoned again. Show me the statistics where the vast majority of unwanted teen pregnancies are a result of abstinence.

I think you're stupid again (or never stopped being stupid). Show me were I even suggested such a thing?

So you don't think that the fact someone got pregnant because they were told from a very young age that condoms fail all the time and that all methods of birth control suck except for abstinence is bad?

That is what I read from you here... You are suggesting that the vast majority of teen pregnancies come from people being taught abstinence, rather than from people ignoring the suggestions of birth control. I think that we need to be open to our kids, talk straight with them about sex, warn them about the spreading of STD's, as well as pregnancies. We Also need to be open with them about the emotional baggage that comes from having sex at too early an age.

If they fail to maintain abstinence, and end up pregnant as a result, then they should be counseled to avoid the moral atrocity of abortion and display the disciplined responsibility that comes with being a parent.

I do not condone abortion... snorri, I would not even wish that you had been aborted.

[Snorri1234]

That is what I read from you here... You are suggesting that the vast majority of teen pregnancies come from people being taught abstinence, rather than from people ignoring the suggestions of birth control.

Yes. The suggestions of birth control are so amazingly bad in the US that it causes loads of preventable teen pregnancies. If people believe you can't get pregnant the first time, or that using two condoms at the same time is double-safe, or that you can't get pregnant when you have sex standing up, or that you can't get an std from oral sex, or basically all other myths, then somewhere along the way something went terribly wrong.

I think that we need to be open to our kids, talk straight with them about sex, warn them about the spreading of STD's, as well as pregnancies. We Also need to be open with them about the emotional baggage that comes from having sex at too early an age.

This is true, but what is really important is that you realize they are going to have sex and prepare them for it. Teach them to be responsible about sex, and that they should be confident and ready and not be pressured into it.

If they fail to maintain abstinence, and end up pregnant as a result, then they should be counseled to avoid the moral atrocity of abortion and display the disciplined responsibility that comes with being a parent.

You cannot set abstinence as your goal. It would be great if kids would wait longer to have sex, but sooner or later they will so all you can do is educate them about how to avoid pregancy and diseases. You should teach them responsiblity for their actions before they have sex or get pregnant, not after.

I do not condone abortion... snorri, I would not even wish that you had been aborted.

It's not a matter of condoning. You can hold your view and I hold mine. But you should back up any legislation in teaching which will reduce the number of pregnancies and abortions. To do not would contradict your view on abortions.

[captain.crazy]

That is what I read from you here... You are suggesting that the vast majority of teen pregnancies come from people being taught abstinence, rather than from people ignoring the suggestions of birth control.

Yes. The suggestions of birth control are so amazingly bad in the US that it causes loads of preventable teen pregnancies. If people believe you can't get pregnant the first time, or that using two condoms at the same time is double-safe, or that you can't get pregnant when you have sex standing up, or that you can't get an std from oral sex, or basically all other myths, then somewhere along the way something went terribly wrong.

I think that we need to be open to our kids, talk straight with them about sex, warn them about the spreading of STD's, as well as pregnancies. We Also need to be open with them about the emotional baggage that comes from having sex at too early an age.

This is true, but what is really important is that you realize they are going to have sex and prepare them for it. Teach them to be responsible about sex, and that they should be confident and ready and not be pressured into it.

If they fail to maintain abstinence, and end up pregnant as a result, then they should be counseled to avoid the moral atrocity of abortion and display the disciplined responsibility that comes with being a parent.

You cannot set abstinence as your goal. It would be great if kids would wait longer to have sex, but sooner or later they will so all you can do is educate them about how to avoid pregancy and diseases. You should teach them responsiblity for their actions before they have sex or get pregnant, not after.

I do not condone abortion... snorri, I would not even wish that you had been aborted.

It's not a matter of condoning. You can hold your view and I hold mine. But you should back up any legislation in teaching which will reduce the number of pregnancies and abortions. To do not would contradict your view on abortions.

I think that you are mostly right. Maybe the best thing is just to be open with them and leave the decision to have sex up to them, it is their decision after all. But hopefully, with enough openness, they will include their parents in the decision so that they can get the best guidance. Its their life after all...

but I still don't think that the kids that are taught abstinence are the most likely to get pregnant. I think its the ones that fucked up their birth control either by not doing it correctly, or by neglecting it altogether. Just about everyone knows about birth control these days.