Conquer Club

zimmah wrote:

Incandenza wrote:No matter what, people are making a value judgment. It's that simple.

At this point, I honestly can't tell if zimmah is trolling or if he's really that obtuse.

you are calling me obtuse? don't make me laugh kid

This argument will rage because people have made up there mind as to what they will do regardless of the built in guidlines....but on a side note Zimmah are you the chick in your avi or her boyfriend???

Soloman wrote:you are calling me obtuse? don't make me laugh kid. This argument will rage because people have made up there mind as to what they will do regardless of the built in guidlines....but on a side note Zimmah are you the chick in your avi or her boyfriend???

show me the built in guidelines. you are confusing zimmah's self-proclaimed guidelines as the CC Bible. show me where you can't give all 5's if you so choose. show me where that is against the rules of the new system. you can't. the statement is not true.-0

zimmah wrote:
actually the difference is everything between a normal player and a fucking brilliant one, however due to mass abuse, there is no way you can tell whether a player is good or bad. congratiolations.

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RANKINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

D'uh!

SlayerQC wrote:

zimmah wrote:
actually the difference is everything between a normal player and a fucking brilliant one, however due to mass abuse, there is no way you can tell whether a player is good or bad. congratiolations.

RANKINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

D'uh![/quote]

I don' think many people really care who is brilliant and who is "normal".

They want to find the few jerks. And this system makes that harder because people's opinions vary, NOT because of what you term "abuse".

owenshooter wrote:

Soloman wrote:you are calling me obtuse? don't make me laugh kid. This argument will rage because people have made up there mind as to what they will do regardless of the built in guidlines....but on a side note Zimmah are you the chick in your avi or her boyfriend???

show me the built in guidelines. you are confusing zimmah's self-proclaimed guidelines as the CC Bible. show me where you can't give all 5's if you so choose. show me where that is against the rules of the new system. you can't. the statement is not true.-0

umm you jacked up the quote 1st off 2nd if you again hover your mouse over the stars it tells you what the star rank is thus it is built in come on owen you already know this...Quit playing devils instigator lol

zimmah wrote:

Incandenza wrote:No matter what, people are making a value judgment. It's that simple.

At this point, I honestly can't tell if zimmah is trolling or if he's really that obtuse.

you are calling me obtuse? don't make me laugh kid

Actually, I wasn't sure whether you were trolling or intentionally being obtuse, so I refrained from calling you one or the other until I'd made a concrete policy determination.

But I can't tell you how much I enjoyed seeing you call me "kid". I believe the last time I was addressed as such, I was in the general proximity of a swing set and my balls hadn't dropped yet.

I'm actually growing to enjoy this thread. It's like one of those big inflatable clowns, no matter how hard you punch it, it just bounces back up, ready for more punishment, with that same vacant grin on its mug.

Soloman wrote: if you again hover your mouse over the stars it tells you what the star rank is thus it is built in come on owen you already know this...Quit playing devils instigator lol

*hover* *hover* *hover* does not say i can't leave all 5's if i want. i'm not instigating, i'm stating facts. it is not against the guidelines to leave all 5's. it is not abuse. one mod agrees with the lightly-carbonated alcopop beverage made by the Coors Brewing Company (let's see how many get that.. that is a pop culture reference that is going to break down among generations.. ha..), that does not make him right. show me in the rules where leaving all 5 is an abuse of the system. if zimmah is so sure that this is an "abuse", why is it not in the cheats & abuse forum? exactly. because it is not an abuse.-0

Wow, lots of emotion in this thread and several borderline flames. Remember to keep it civil folks.

I can tell you how the system was designed, and that was as 3 stars being average, everyday play, hence the label "average". However, how it actually plays out may be an entirely different story, which is why we're taking a wait and see approach. People shouldn't expect all 5's and shouldn't get upset and complain when they get a 3 or 4. If you get all 5's, great! If you get all 3's, good! Neither is bad and neither is abuse.

I'm wondering if someone wouldn't mind going through my recently completed games and let me know how I should rate the 150 players that I'm supposed to rate. I'd hate to be the one who Fs up the system so if someone would kindly tell me what each player should get in each category it would be most appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

you can add me to the list of abusers. I will start at 5's and if the screw up ik will take away.

Also i tip 20 % at restaurants they do not complain

wacicha wrote:you can add me to the list of abusers. I will start at 5's and if the screw up ik will take away.

I do that too.

wacicha wrote:Also i tip 20 % at restaurants they do not complain

I don't do that too.

if giving 5's in hope of helping a player enjoy a game more, and hoping it inspires continued good playing and behavior is abuse.. then consider me the biggest offender... I gave the most feedbacks in the old system, and give positive ratings whenever possible.... Positivity begets positivity... negativity begets negativity... youre free to make your choice as to how you want to proceed..

wacicha wrote:you can add me to the list of abusers. I will start at 5's and if the screw up ik will take away.

Also i tip 20 % at restaurants they do not complain

oh my goodness, we are so alike, it is creepy!! however, if it is a small meal, and i have received great attention, i'll go as high as 30%... if it's something like mexican, and you only drop 20 bucks, and my kid
was given some nice attention and the waiter/waitress were kind and actually gave him time to express
himself, drop 'em 10 bucks... thanks wac-ky!! nice to see some sense coming to this thread!-0

wicked wrote: If you get all 5's, great! If you get all 3's, good! Neither is bad and neither is abuse.

boom goes zimmah's "MODERATORS" comment... it is going to be interesting... it will be just like feedback in the end... a bunch of 4's and 5's, and the jerks will have 1's and 2's... sigh... this is so truly interesting.-0

Actually I agree with what zimmah has been saying and can also see why people want to just go with all 5's. I personally don't think 5's should be arbitrarily handed out to people I've played once, unless they've impressed or dissapointed me in some way wrt to the game. People who do so are "throwing off the curve" so to speak by increasing the "average" to higher than 3. The only 5's I've handed out so far have been to people I've played more than a few times and know well. I'll retiterate it again, people shouldn't *expect* all 5's, and shouldn't complain when they get 3's and 4's. Those of you complaining you can't tell anything by the new system who are also arbitrarily leaving all 5's are part of the problem, not the solution.

zimmah wrote:

White Moose wrote:

zimmah wrote:post here the proof of people abusing the system (leaving mass 5's or mass 1's)

http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?m ... T24&page=2
http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?m ... name=Hrvat

I wouldn't call that abusing, everyone has diffrent opinions on how their opponents plays. Perhaps those 2 just feels that if they just play a clean and good game that they deserve a 5've.

78 out of 78 players that deserve a 5? i don't think so. either he's playing only with the very elite players (and i don't mean skills) or he is just hading out random 5's which is abusing the system.

ive left a good 50 or so 5's out of 50... cuz first thing i went through my games and gave all the players i remembered to be good 5's...

wicked wrote:flip flop

sooo, what is it? the posts from earlier in the thread, or the posts from now? either way, you are not plural MODERATORS, you are a singular MODERATOR. so, his comment using the support of MODERATORS for his statements is still incorrect... you may be an army of one, but that doesn't make you plural.-0

My comments in this thread are as a player of course. So far there is nothing to moderate.

also owen if they give me double margarita's the tip goes way up lol

owenshooter wrote:

Soloman wrote: if you again hover your mouse over the stars it tells you what the star rank is thus it is built in come on owen you already know this...Quit playing devils instigator lol

*hover* *hover* *hover* does not say i can't leave all 5's if i want. i'm not instigating, i'm stating facts. it is not against the guidelines to leave all 5's. it is not abuse. one mod agrees with the lightly-carbonated alcopop beverage made by the Coors Brewing Company (let's see how many get that.. that is a pop culture reference that is going to break down among generations.. ha..), that does not make him right. show me in the rules where leaving all 5 is an abuse of the system. if zimmah is so sure that this is an "abuse", why is it not in the cheats & abuse forum? exactly. because it is not an abuse.-0

As I said it dilutes the point of the system and creates a unfair expectation from those that use the system as designed but to say it is flagrant abuse , it is too early too say. I would just leave it as subjectively against the spirit of the new system. The irony I have already received a complaint about leaving someone a three because they were just average t taking there turns and when I told them that they went off and were mad because they did not miss a turn and my response was you were not quick you almost always took your full 24 which to me is average... So to each there own and owen Deep breaths I know this has you heated right now but once everyone is used to it maybe they will start using at it was designed if not then it will be what it is...

AAFitz wrote:if giving 5's in hope of helping a player enjoy a game more, and hoping it inspires continued good playing and behavior is abuse.. then consider me the biggest offender... I gave the most feedbacks in the old system, and give positive ratings whenever possible.... Positivity begets positivity... negativity begets negativity... youre free to make your choice as to how you want to proceed..

Well stated,

In my mind if you played all your turns, were polite, made an effort and had fun then its 5's all the way.
Only deduct from that if you were annoying, abusive, poor sportmanship or deadbeat. So the curve will have most at 4+ and the undesireables at 2

owenshooter wrote:

wacicha wrote:you can add me to the list of abusers. I will start at 5's and if the screw up ik will take away.

Also i tip 20 % at restaurants they do not complain

oh my goodness, we are so alike, it is creepy!! however, if it is a small meal, and i have received great attention, i'll go as high as 30%... if it's something like mexican, and you only drop 20 bucks, and my kid
was given some nice attention and the waiter/waitress were kind and actually gave him time to express
himself, drop 'em 10 bucks... thanks wac-ky!! nice to see some sense coming to this thread!-0

Well this is something i can agree with... a very american thing to do perhaps, and i think it's why the food service is generally better in the states... as a general overall statement of course, plenty of exceptions naturally...

oh boy, hope i didn't start something here with that... no wait... that would be a good thing... to divert attention from the topic at hand

Owenshoot'ah was conjectured to burp:

(let's see how many get that.. that is a pop culture reference that is going to break down among generations.. ha..),

My, I haven't had a "****" in years, though I had a Prosecco recently that made me exclaim "Hey so this is what they did with all the "****" in the warehouses!"

Ok so I'm old, sue me.

wacicha wrote:also owen if they give me double margarita's the tip goes way up lol

Oh there is this place down here.. Mexican.. after my fourth margarita, the waiter gives me free margaritas for the rest of the night...

Cookedburger and lovecardiff are being used by the same person

ABSOLUTE_MASTER wrote:

wacicha wrote:also owen if they give me double margarita's the tip goes way up lol

Oh there is this place down here.. Mexican.. after my fourth margarita, the waiter gives me free margaritas for the rest of the night...

I'm getting on a plane as we speak. I lurves me some free margaritas...