Conquer Club

subtleknifewield wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

a6mzero wrote:Russia which overrun eastern Poland and the Baltic states in a deal with Hitler to divide the spoils was the worlds savior from the Nazis.

We debunked that just a few posts ago. You're so brainwashed you've already forgot?

a6mzero wrote:If Hitler in his misguided folly of opening a two front war had focused on finishing off the English we would all either be in concentration games or the gulag. U sure as hell wouldn't be on a computer spouting your hateful raciest views of the world.

LOL, you want to round-up and murder all Palestinians, or anyone else who disagrees with your apartheid ethno-religious state founded on a UN-declared racist ideology and denounced by Nelson Mandela, and I'm "racist?" You must not be getting enough air through the white hood, Cletus. Go back to listening to FOX News tell you all about the horrible Arabs or something.

I'm sorry, what did we debunk exactly?

Who were the aggressors in the Winter War again? You seem to be conveniently ignoring the fact that the USSR was as aggressively expansionist as the US ever was here...they attacked Finland long before Finland ever sought German help.

Wrong... Russians give that Russian territory to Grand Duchy of Finland(Autonomous state within the Russian Empire) in 1812 as symbolic gesture, and after all the Finland were under Russian rule.
After 1917 Finland declared independence and they keep all territories of Grand Duchy of Finland, but in 1939 Russians decided to take back what they considered theirs and for security reasons

In 1812, the territories of the Vyborg Governorate were transferred from Russia proper to the Grand Duchy of Finland and established as Viipuri Province. The transfer announced by Tsar Alexander I just before Christmas, on December 23, 1811 O.S. (January 4, 1812 N.S.), can be seen as a symbolic gesture and an attempt to appease the sentiment of the Finnish population, which had just experienced Russian conquest of their country by force. Siestarjoki was transferred to Saint Petersburg Governorate in 1864.

When Finland became independent from Russia in 1917, the status of Viipuri Province remained unchanged. The provincial capital, Vyborg (Swedish: Viborg, Finnish: Viipuri), was at this time the second largest city in Finland.

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viipuri_Province

GoranZ wrote: After 1917 Finland declared independence and they keep all territories of Grand Duchy of Finland, but in 1939 Russians decided to take back what they considered theirs and for security reasons

In 1812, the territories of the Vyborg Governorate were transferred from Russia proper to the Grand Duchy of Finland and established as Viipuri Province. The transfer announced by Tsar Alexander I just before Christmas, on December 23, 1811 O.S. (January 4, 1812 N.S.), can be seen as a symbolic gesture and an attempt to appease the sentiment of the Finnish population, which had just experienced Russian conquest of their country by force. Siestarjoki was transferred to Saint Petersburg Governorate in 1864.

When Finland became independent from Russia in 1917, the status of Viipuri Province remained unchanged. The provincial capital, Vyborg (Swedish: Viborg, Finnish: Viipuri), was at this time the second largest city in Finland.

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viipuri_Province

Bolded and underlined the appropriate line here. They conquered them to begin with, then they gained independence, then they tried to conquer it again. Justification or no, they attacked first, Finland was neutral until attacked.

subtleknifewield wrote:

GoranZ wrote: After 1917 Finland declared independence and they keep all territories of Grand Duchy of Finland, but in 1939 Russians decided to take back what they considered theirs and for security reasons

In 1812, the territories of the Vyborg Governorate were transferred from Russia proper to the Grand Duchy of Finland and established as Viipuri Province. The transfer announced by Tsar Alexander I just before Christmas, on December 23, 1811 O.S. (January 4, 1812 N.S.), can be seen as a symbolic gesture and an attempt to appease the sentiment of the Finnish population, which had just experienced Russian conquest of their country by force. Siestarjoki was transferred to Saint Petersburg Governorate in 1864.

When Finland became independent from Russia in 1917, the status of Viipuri Province remained unchanged. The provincial capital, Vyborg (Swedish: Viborg, Finnish: Viipuri), was at this time the second largest city in Finland.

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viipuri_Province

Bolded and underlined the appropriate line here. They conquered them to begin with, then they gained independence, then they tried to conquer it again. Justification or no, they attacked first, Finland was neutral until attacked.

Finland at that time was under the rule of Sweden, so you can not say conquer them...
Grand Duchy of Finland territorial change I mentioned, and current border: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... r_map5.svg
As can be seen from the map, Russians have little options but to ask for the territory back(they even offer another in return) but the Fins didn't wanted.

I am aware they were under Swedish rule prior to being under Russian rule, but they have little love for Sweden, either.

The point here is they were not exactly happy with being the middle ground in the Russian/Swedish wars, and when they made a bid for autonomy the Russians annexed them. How do you think they would feel about being denied that autonomy?

Look at it this way, if another neighboring country next to yours wanted some of the land of yours...how would YOU feel about it, even if they offered a nice piece somewhere off over there? Would your feelings change at all if you happened to live in a piece of the land that was being exchanged?

subtleknifewield wrote:I am aware they were under Swedish rule prior to being under Russian rule, but they have little love for Sweden, either.

The point here is they were not exactly happy with being the middle ground in the Russian/Swedish wars, and when they made a bid for autonomy the Russians annexed them. How do you think they would feel about being denied that autonomy?

Look at it this way, if another neighboring country next to yours wanted some of the land of yours...how would YOU feel about it, even if they offered a nice piece somewhere off over there? Would your feelings change at all if you happened to live in a piece of the land that was being exchanged?

Not sure. I'll ask the Navajo, Cheyenne, Apache, Philippines, Haiti, etc., and get right back to you.

subtleknifewield wrote:I am aware they were under Swedish rule prior to being under Russian rule, but they have little love for Sweden, either.

The point here is they were not exactly happy with being the middle ground in the Russian/Swedish wars, and when they made a bid for autonomy the Russians annexed them. How do you think they would feel about being denied that autonomy?

You are talking about a territory that Finland was ruling but wasn't quite Finish in the first place... in the last 300 years Finland controlled that territory for 22 years, Russians remaining 278.

subtleknifewield wrote:Look at it this way, if another neighboring country next to yours wanted some of the land of yours...how would YOU feel about it, even if they offered a nice piece somewhere off over there? Would your feelings change at all if you happened to live in a piece of the land that was being exchanged?

There is huge problem with your question... You question can not apply for Finland and Soviet Union prior WW2, since the same territory was under Russian control 22 years earlier.

Now the target is Raqqa...

Good news - at least one People's Liberation Army-Navy battle group with embarked troops is preparing to arrive in Syria within days to reinforce Russian forces.

The Chinese ship has crossed the Suez Canal in Egypt and is currently in the Mediterranean Sea.

However, according to Israeli military news website - DEBKAfile, the aircraft carrier, Liaoning-CV-16, is already docked at the Syrian port of Tartus, accompanied by a guided missile cruiser.

The Chinese troops are expected to join the Russian forces in the Latakia region, where the Russians are building a massive military base.



http://www.ibtimes.co.in/chinese-troops ... ort-648246

And that should pretty much be the end of the "McCain Moderates" and the final victory for President Assad, the Syrian people, and the Socialist Ba'ath Party. Amazing how quick the U.S. got pushed out Syria. And Iranian pressure on the U.S. in Iraq continues to mount, plus retreating ISIS forces from Syria will soon be flooding Iraq making the situation even worse for the U.S. there. The whole world is being gradually realigned. In a few years it will be America under global economic sanctions, unable to sell its goods abroad and with a tottering economy and rising domestic unrest sparked by capital flight. America's scrotum is in a vice that's being slowly wound shut.

Enjoy these last few days of feasting, Rome! The Goths are almost at the front gate.

<<Flashback>>
One Day before the Russian Airstrikes... The Invitation


First Day of Russian Airstrikes... The Visit


What kind of imbecile is revealing his position to reconnaissance plane

Meanwhile, as Russia is bombing terrorists, the USA is bombing old women having appendix surgery ...

US Bombs Doctors Without Borders Clinic - UN Declares Strike "Criminal"

A suspected US air strike on a hospital killed 19 people Saturday in the Afghan city of Kunduz, medical charity Doctors Without Borders said, a bombardment that the UN condemned as "inexcusable, and possibly even criminal".

Dozens more were seriously wounded at the facility, a key lifeline that has been running "beyond capacity" during fighting that saw the Taliban seize control of the northern provincial capital for several days.

The strike early Saturday left the building engulfed in flames, with photos posted by Doctors Without Borders showing their staff shocked and dazed.

http://news.yahoo.com/death-toll-jumps- ... 06654.html

Americans Mercilessly Continued Bombing After Being Alerted They Had Wrong Target

In a statement, the aid group, which is also known by its French initials, MSF, accused the American military of continuing the bombing for 30 minutes after receiving phone calls telling military contacts that the hospital was being bombed.

“All parties to the conflict including in Kabul and Washington, were clearly informed of the precise location [GPS Coordinates] of the MSF facilities — hospital, guesthouse, office,” the statement said. “MSF urgently seeks clarity on exactly what took place and how this terrible event could have happened,” it said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/world ... p=cur&_r=0

saxitoxin wrote:

subtleknifewield wrote:I am aware they were under Swedish rule prior to being under Russian rule, but they have little love for Sweden, either.

The point here is they were not exactly happy with being the middle ground in the Russian/Swedish wars, and when they made a bid for autonomy the Russians annexed them. How do you think they would feel about being denied that autonomy?

Look at it this way, if another neighboring country next to yours wanted some of the land of yours...how would YOU feel about it, even if they offered a nice piece somewhere off over there? Would your feelings change at all if you happened to live in a piece of the land that was being exchanged?

Not sure. I'll ask the Navajo, Cheyenne, Apache, Philippines, Haiti, etc., and get right back to you.

So you are saying that when Russia does the same thing other superpowers have done, it is somehow excused from taking any blame? I notice you are conveniently avoiding the fact I NEVER DEFENDED US ACTIONS.

Russia, The US, Great Britain, France, Sweden, any great empire did not get to be where they were by being NICE.

Then again, you are notorious for being a Russian Apologist, so I expect we can't really expect you to see anything about Russia through anything but rose colored glasses.

Interesting article.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... krieg.html

Interesting, but not really sure what to think about it.

muy_thaiguy wrote:Interesting article.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... krieg.html

waste of time

Try this: Fearing Russian air strikes, Islamic State didn't hold Friday prayers, report says
I presume this will be interpreted as "Russians(or Chinese, depending on the situation) are harassing ISIS during their prays that's why ISIS are such monsters"

Saxi makes like he hates the US&A yet there he is down at the crab shack drinking the Coke Zero.

a6mzero wrote:Russia which supplied 75% of the oil and rubber used by Hitler to overrun western Europe was the worlds savoir from the Nazis. Russia which overrun eastern Poland and the Baltic states in a deal with Hitler to divide the spoils was the worlds savior from the Nazis. If Hitler in his misguided folly of opening a two front war had focused on finishing off the English we would all either be in concentration games or the gulag. U sure as hell wouldn't be on a computer spouting your hateful raciest views of the world.

If the US avoided the war in Europe, it's unlikely the Germans could have done us much harm.

I don't think a US invasion by Germany would have ever been possible.

saxitoxin wrote:

subtleknifewield wrote:Lol, more nonsense, as usual, I see, comparing tanks and APC's to pickup trucks, and then responding with amusing pics

The idea that 50 human lives is worth one inanimate object of any kind is so ridiculous it doesn't merit a serious response.

Saxi. You are right on a philosophical sense.

However, the simple fact is that all people... throughout all history... assign values to human life.
This is not a debatable point. You can try.

Oh boy this is getting interesting...

"Moderate" Islamist(those that pretend that they like the West) are crying for antiaircraft weapons
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ru ... story.html

Air Duel between Russian Sukhoi Su–30SM and Israeli F-15... I presume Israelis are aware that Russians are not Arabs
http://www.israpundit.org/archives/63609783

P.S. Russians might chop Israeli planes just to make a point that they are serious

GoranZ wrote: Air Duel between Russian Sukhoi Su–30SM and Israeli F-15... I presume Israelis are aware that Russians are not Arabs
http://www.israpundit.org/archives/63609783

P.S. Russians might chop Israeli planes just to make a point that they are serious

Haha! The Israelis turned tail and ran. I guess when you're used to fighting 15 year olds armed with stones, an adult sitting on top of six R-77 guided missiles is too much!

Pin the Tail on the Israeli!

saxitoxin wrote:

GoranZ wrote: Air Duel between Russian Sukhoi Su–30SM and Israeli F-15... I presume Israelis are aware that Russians are not Arabs
http://www.israpundit.org/archives/63609783

P.S. Russians might chop Israeli planes just to make a point that they are serious

Haha! The Israelis turned tail and ran. I guess when you're used to fighting 15 year olds armed with stones, an adult sitting on top of six R-77 guided missiles is too much!

Pin the Tail on the Zionist!

Actually, the Russian fighters jets do not stand a chance against American made fighter jets.

Bernie Sanders wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

GoranZ wrote: Air Duel between Russian Sukhoi Su–30SM and Israeli F-15... I presume Israelis are aware that Russians are not Arabs
http://www.israpundit.org/archives/63609783

P.S. Russians might chop Israeli planes just to make a point that they are serious

Haha! The Israelis turned tail and ran. I guess when you're used to fighting 15 year olds armed with stones, an adult sitting on top of six R-77 guided missiles is too much!

Pin the Tail on the Zionist!

Actually, the Russian fighters jets do not stand a chance against American made fighter jets.

Oh great point. The Israelis bravely and victoriously retreated.

Bernie Sanders wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

GoranZ wrote: Air Duel between Russian Sukhoi Su–30SM and Israeli F-15... I presume Israelis are aware that Russians are not Arabs
http://www.israpundit.org/archives/63609783

P.S. Russians might chop Israeli planes just to make a point that they are serious

Haha! The Israelis turned tail and ran. I guess when you're used to fighting 15 year olds armed with stones, an adult sitting on top of six R-77 guided missiles is too much!

Pin the Tail on the Zionist!

Actually, the Russian fighters jets do not stand a chance against American made fighter jets.

Hitler, Napoleon were thinking as you. Both didn't do well and all because of Russia

GoranZ wrote:

Bernie Sanders wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

GoranZ wrote: Air Duel between Russian Sukhoi Su–30SM and Israeli F-15... I presume Israelis are aware that Russians are not Arabs
http://www.israpundit.org/archives/63609783

P.S. Russians might chop Israeli planes just to make a point that they are serious

Haha! The Israelis turned tail and ran. I guess when you're used to fighting 15 year olds armed with stones, an adult sitting on top of six R-77 guided missiles is too much!

Pin the Tail on the Zionist!

Actually, the Russian fighters jets do not stand a chance against American made fighter jets.

Hitler, Napoleon were thinking as you. Both didn't do well and all because of Russia

Soviet Union was backed by huge shipments of arms, planes, vehicles, medicine, food and other material from the USA, in it's fight against the Nazis.

Bernie Sanders wrote:

GoranZ wrote:

Bernie Sanders wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

GoranZ wrote: Air Duel between Russian Sukhoi Su–30SM and Israeli F-15... I presume Israelis are aware that Russians are not Arabs
http://www.israpundit.org/archives/63609783

P.S. Russians might chop Israeli planes just to make a point that they are serious

Haha! The Israelis turned tail and ran. I guess when you're used to fighting 15 year olds armed with stones, an adult sitting on top of six R-77 guided missiles is too much!

Pin the Tail on the Zionist!

Actually, the Russian fighters jets do not stand a chance against American made fighter jets.

Hitler, Napoleon were thinking as you. Both didn't do well and all because of Russia

Soviet Union was backed by huge shipments of arms, planes, vehicles, medicine, food and other material from the USA, in it's fight against the Nazis.

How much was that? less then 10%?
Look at that this way: If Soviets weren't fighting with Western weapons western casualties would have been twice as big, if not more. Calculated that in GDP would men that you guys even made profit
Outcome of the war would have been almost similar(Russians already stopped the Germans before western materials arrived)

Now read and weep: Putin has embarrassed us all in Syria. Welcome to the age of Russian power

The last part is shocking... As US wants it.

Assad must go? On the contrary, comrade President Obama, Mr Assad will stay, lingering on in power perched on a high mound of smoking rubble and dead Syrians. Sad. But of course inevitable. You want realism? This is what it looks like.

Lavrov(what Russians are targeting): If it looks like a terrorist, if it acts like a terrorist, if it walks like a terrorist, if it fights like a terrorist, its a terrorist.

GoranZ wrote:Lavrov(what Russians are targeting): If it looks like a terrorist, if it acts like a terrorist, if it walks like a terrorist, if it fights like a terrorist, its a terrorist.

Russians are hitting them all