Phatscotty wrote:Whoa, okay. I just decided to read this thread from beginning to end, and only made it to the 2nd post about the EDL and immediately looked into it can came up with this.
What's the skinny on this bloke and what he is saying (in this video)? Burning puppies alive? gang rape gangs?
He's the leader of a 100,000-man British white supremacist militia that periodically loots shops, attacks police stations and overturn/burn cars in the north of England; it's been rumored their leadership is funded by the Israeli embassy in London. It's basically like the British version of the Ku Klux Klan except about 50 times larger and more active and they actually elect members to various government offices, so part of the mainstream of UK civil society.
Utter bollocks, the EDL "followers" on a social media site number around 100,000 - strangely this jumped from 25,000 before this weeks events to that number in a few days - hardly evidence of a committed and organised militia now, is it. The EDL is a minority, ill-educated, racist group with little support and no political power - they have zero ability to elect anyone to anything, and it is deluded to suggest otherwise.
Phatscotty wrote:So are they essentially just rabble-rousers trying to widen everybody up?
They are just dumb racists full of hate, and too stupid to be dangerous in the wider sense. They have a few marches, they throw bricks at the local mosque, etc, but they are just a minority of clueless idiots.
Phatscotty wrote:So are they essentially just rabble-rousers trying to widen everybody up?
They're a highly organized, paramilitary group arrayed in strike forces strategically situated throughout the UK. Their M.O. is to organize a protest to tie-down local police and then send a masked assault force into an unprotected sector of the town to overwhelm reserves and begin looting shops.
Among their other beliefs, they believe Indian and Thai restaurants are part of a plot to give Britons chronic IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome) through their use of spicy foods, weakening them to repel an invasion by UN troops. They are known to protest these restaurants.
Perhaps ironically, they are also strong supporters of LGBT rights and have an active LGBT division.
Phatscotty wrote:So are they essentially just rabble-rousers trying to widen everybody up?
They are just dumb racists full of hate, and too stupid to be dangerous in the wider sense. They have a few marches, they throw bricks at the local mosque, etc, but they are just a minority of clueless idiots.
Thanks! (you too Saxi, I knew I would get an immediate response from you, mostly from the tingle)
So I am always fascinated to get a ground eye view from someone who is actually there and a lot closer to it. What is the response to the beheading? What is the correct response? Is there any reason for people who's skin is white to be afraid of a Muslim approaching them? Is there a lot of paranoia? Is that justified? Just a bunch of random questions if you don't mind. I ask in this tone based on the information of the membership of that group going from 25k to 100k since the beheading.
Phatscotty wrote:So I am always fascinated to get a ground eye view from someone who is actually there and a lot closer to it. What is the response to the beheading? What is the correct response? Is there any reason for people who's skin is white to be afraid of a Muslim approaching them? Is there a lot of paranoia? Is that justified? Just a bunch of random questions if you don't mind. I ask in this tone based on the information of the membership of that group going from 25k to 100k since the beheading.
The correct response from any normal civilised human being is surely revulsion, which is generallly what has been the case across British society. There will be some paranoia as there was here after 7/7, and I'm sure there was in the US after 9/11. There are nearly 3 million practicing Muslims in the UK, if they were all radicalised extremists we'd surely know it by now, so the logical conclusion is that the extremists are (and will continue to be) the exception rather than the norm. I guess most UK Muslims are asian or black, some I expect will be white either from the local polulation or eastern europe - so I've no idea what a typical Muslim looks like and doubt whether anyone else would (they don't all dress like mullahs or wear burkhas). A good proportion of the UK population wouldn't even know the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim if they were in dress indicative of their faith. The EDL "group" jump to 100,000 from 25,000 is just a keyboard warrior reaction with no substance or commitment behind it - even if there was, 100,000 is hardly a large proportion of the 60,000,000 living in our crowded towns and cities.
I don't have anything to contribute to this thread, but I'd like to mention that every single time I've seen this thread title I've had to consciously repress the urge to create a parody thread with one of the many great choices obtainable by changing a couple letters (clever attack? beaver attack? etc).
So this parody thread abstinence will be my contribution towards healing from this attack. Society, you are welcome.
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LASHIO, Myanmar – It was a terrifying sight: hundreds of angry, armed men on motorcycles advancing up a dusty street with no one to stop them.
Shouting at the top of their lungs, clutching machetes and iron pipes and long bamboo poles, they thrust their fists repeatedly into the air.
The object of their rage: Myanmar’s embattled minority Muslim community.
Residents gaping at the spectacle backed away as the Buddhist mob passed. Worried business owners turned away customers and retreated indoors. And three armed soldiers standing in green fatigues on a corner watched quietly, doing nothing despite an emergency government ordinance banning groups of more than five from gathering.
Within a few hours on Wednesday, at least one person was dead and four injured as this northeastern town of Myanmar became the latest to fall prey to the country’s swelling tide of anti-Muslim unrest.
pimpdave wrote:RELIGION OF PEACE
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
Haggis_McMutton wrote:I don't have anything to contribute to this thread, but I'd like to mention that every single time I've seen this thread title I've had to consciously repress the urge to create a parody thread with one of the many great choices obtainable by changing a couple letters (clever attack? beaver attack? etc).
So this parody thread abstinence will be my contribution towards healing from this attack. Society, you are welcome.
Haggis, you should forgo this abstinence. Take off you parody purity ring! And indulge in the hedonistic lifestyle of the Off Topics, man!
Haggis_McMutton wrote:I don't have anything to contribute to this thread, but I'd like to mention that every single time I've seen this thread title I've had to consciously repress the urge to create a parody thread with one of the many great choices obtainable by changing a couple letters (clever attack? beaver attack? etc).
So this parody thread abstinence will be my contribution towards healing from this attack. Society, you are welcome.
Haggis, you should forgo this abstinence. Take off you parody purity ring! And indulge in the hedonistic lifestyle of the Off Topics, man!
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Aye, go for it. "The Muslims can't be peaceful" posters took their chance earlier.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
Phatscotty wrote:So are they essentially just rabble-rousers trying to widen everybody up?
They are just dumb racists full of hate, and too stupid to be dangerous in the wider sense. They have a few marches, they throw bricks at the local mosque, etc, but they are just a minority of clueless idiots.
Thanks! (you too Saxi, I knew I would get an immediate response from you, mostly from the tingle)
So I am always fascinated to get a ground eye view from someone who is actually there and a lot closer to it. What is the response to the beheading? What is the correct response? Is there any reason for people who's skin is white to be afraid of a Muslim approaching them? Is there a lot of paranoia? Is that justified? Just a bunch of random questions if you don't mind. I ask in this tone based on the information of the membership of that group going from 25k to 100k since the beheading.
Scotty
I live in Chislehurst which is a 15minute drive to Woolwich so am reasonably well placed to give you a local and national perspective. Woolwich is a very multi cultural area , with a sizeable muslim presence , and the reaction there has been unilateral shock and disgust, this has also been the case on a national level with the Muslim league of Great Britain condeming the incident without reservation.
The British people are a pretty stoic bunch , the attitude is that bad things happen but life goes on , only the extreme right are suggesting that this is the beginning of a holy war. You really should ignore Saxis trolling , in reality the EDL struggle to muster 200 for marches and I doubt that commited supporters run to more than a few thousand. An EDL protest in a Yorkshire town last week attracted a grand total of 6 demonstrators , inhabitants of the local mosque invited then in for tea , biscuits and a chat
comic boy wrote:You really should ignore Saxis trolling , in reality the EDL struggle to muster 200 for marches
The BBC is trolling:
May 25, 2013 - More than 1,500 people have attended a demonstration organised by the English Defence League (EDL) in Newcastle, Northumbria Police said.
May 27, 2013 - Meanwhile 10 miles across London more than 1,000 English Defence League supporters waved placards that read 'Blood on your hands' and 'GB RIP', as well as singing 'There's Only One Lee Rigby', and some anti-Muslim songs as they marched in his memory.
May 6, 2012 - Two people have been arrested on suspicion of public order offences after thousands of people gathered for an English Defence League protest in Luton. Around 3,000 EDL supporters took part in the demonstration.
May 28, 2011 - Up to 2,000 demonstrators gathered on Blackpool Promenade today. Members of controversial far right group the English Defence League (EDL) met in the resort in a demonstration which saw hundreds of officers drafted in from around the north west to ensure violence did not spill over.
Fortunately, the men and women of the firearms-equipped, five-nation European Gendarmerie Force stand ready for rapid deployment to Britain for immediate law and order / society-building and democratization operations!
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An overwhelming majority of British citizens want their country’s handgun ban repealed, according to the results of an on-line poll conducted by the Daily Telegraph, described Wednesday as the United Kingdom’s “most widely read broadsheet newspaper” by the Commentator.
As this column was updated Thursday, more than 14,900 votes had been cast in the unscientific poll, and of those, 12,603 support a repeal of the 1997 gun ban, an 84.35 percent vote. It far out-distanced votes for several other measures that Britons would like to see introduced in the House of Commons, according to the newspaper.
For anti-gunners on both sides of the Atlantic, it is a devastating rejection of the gun ban philosophy. The ban was enacted following the Dunblane school massacre. The Commentator noted, “While gun crime soared after the British ban in 1997, rates of gun violence have fallen, especially in British cities, following more spending by police forces into tackling gun crime. Police in England and Wales recorded 5,911 firearms offences in 2011/12, a reduction of 42 percent compared with nine years earlier, according to the Office for National Statistics.”
But the Commentator also said this:
“But statistics from the United States show that guns are used by citizens to defend themselves around eighty times more often than they are used to take a life. A recent study published in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy concluded that there is a negative correlation between gun ownership and violent crime in countries internationally, that is, “where firearms are most dense violent crime rates are lowest, and where guns are least dense violent crime rates are highest.”
Results of the poll were revealed Wednesday by the newspaper, which was still accepting votes as Examiner’s special late Wednesday edition was being written.
This might more correctly read "an overwhelming majority of readers of the Daily Telegraph," a conservative newspaper.
an on-line poll conducted by the Daily Telegraph ... the unscientific poll
but I know. It is what it is. One question though, is the DT right leaning? At least what passes for right leaning in the UK?
Yes, its nickname is the "Torygraph". It generally leans right. The WSJ might be a point of comparison, although the US spectrum is skewed rightward on most topics.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
