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So anyway, how much power does a Mormon have over his or her own decisions vs what the church says?

Symmetry wrote:So anyway, how much power does a Mormon have over his or her own decisions vs what the church says?

Not sure what you mean bubb. Mormons have 100% free will over their decisions.

demonfork wrote:

Symmetry wrote:So anyway, how much power does a Mormon have over his or her own decisions vs what the church says?

Not sure what you mean bubb. Mormons have 100% free will over their decisions.

So, the church has no say?

demonfork wrote:

pimpdave wrote:There are plenty of other threads discussing facts about different religions. Several about Christianity and Islam, I can remember a couple about Scientology in the past. I can't find anything in the guidelines that the thread went against. Everyone please feel free to share what you know here. Then the mods can just merge this into the one that already exists.

Could someone please explain what was wrong with the thread about historical facts regarding Mormonism? It was never bashing the religion.

Quit the innocent act, its insulting.

Like john9blue said, you are a bigoted anti-mormon with an agenda. You and I and everyone else know that you are not interested in "sharing facts about mormonism". You are here to try and cast a negative shadow on the Mormon gospel by using half truths and innuendo.

You are using the same sad and tired act that every other two bit anti-mormon uses. Its old and boring....worst part is that you are not very good at it.

Go take a trip over to http://www.concernedchristians.org and get a few pointers from Bob Betts. His full time job is to be an anti-mormon and he gets paid a nice salary to do so.

This is likely true. However, here is an opportunity to correct misinformation. Are some people idiots who just want to push other people's buttons? Well. this is the internet. Still, seems answering with reason is more effective than stomping away...

I would actually be interested in discussing Mormon beliefs, what is and is not considered valid by the LDS and associated churches. I can understand if you don't wish to do it here more than superficially, but perhaps in a more closed forum?

I am told that a lot of people had similar discussions when Kennedy was running. If Romney gets the election, knowing more about Mormonism is certainly important.

Please stay on-topic guys.



21. Mormons who do not have the typical silver allergy often become Temple Guards.

22. Joseph Smith taught that there were inhabitants on the moon, and Brigham Young taught there were inhabitants on the sun as well!

pimpdave wrote:22. Joseph Smith taught that there were inhabitants on the moon, and Brigham Young taught there were inhabitants on the sun as well!

Was never "taught". You will not find this "teaching" in ANY authoritative works within the Mormon gospel.

Did J. Smith and Young personally believe in sun and moon inhabitants? Probably but so did a lot of others in the early 1800's. A pretty common belief back then.

demonfork wrote:

pimpdave wrote:22. Joseph Smith taught that there were inhabitants on the moon, and Brigham Young taught there were inhabitants on the sun as well!

Was never "taught". You will not find this "teaching" in ANY authoritative works within the Mormon gospel.

Did J. Smith and Young believe in sun and moon inhabitants? Probably but so did a lot of others in the early 1800's. A pretty common belief back then.

I don't know of any writings by Smith that indicated such beliefs, but Brigham Young wrote that there were men on the moon who wore hats like Quakers. Anything Young wrote was considered "teaching" at the time and was accepted by the church as gospel. You won't find such a "teaching" in any modern day "authoritative works", as it is quite embarrassing to say the least.

Symmetry wrote:

demonfork wrote:

Symmetry wrote:So anyway, how much power does a Mormon have over his or her own decisions vs what the church says?

Not sure what you mean bubb. Mormons have 100% free will over their decisions.

So, the church has no say?

Joseph Smith was once quoted saying.. "I teach them correct principles and they govern themselves."

demonfork wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

demonfork wrote:

Symmetry wrote:So anyway, how much power does a Mormon have over his or her own decisions vs what the church says?

Not sure what you mean bubb. Mormons have 100% free will over their decisions.

So, the church has no say?

Joseph Smith was once quoted saying.. "I teach them correct principles and they govern themselves."

The Mormon Hierarchy is not like the Pope for Roman Catholics?

You can make fun of the mormons all you want (it's pretty fun and I've made more than my share or mormon jokes), but I grew up in a town near the utah border so there were many Mormons in my town, and those fuckers have good family structure. They will have family game night even when the kids are in there teens, and go knocking door to door in their suits whether it is -20 or 100 outside which take some dedication. i cant think of the last time I heard about a mormon kid getting in trouble. What they believe may be batshit crazy but in the grand scheme of things they have more positives than any trouble they cause

That's cool. And the long sleeve shirts hide the bruises from all the beatings?

b.k. barunt wrote:

demonfork wrote:

pimpdave wrote:22. Joseph Smith taught that there were inhabitants on the moon, and Brigham Young taught there were inhabitants on the sun as well!

Was never "taught". You will not find this "teaching" in ANY authoritative works within the Mormon gospel.

Did J. Smith and Young believe in sun and moon inhabitants? Probably but so did a lot of others in the early 1800's. A pretty common belief back then.

I don't know of any writings by Smith that indicated such beliefs, but Brigham Young wrote that there were men on the moon who wore hats like Quakers. Anything Young wrote was considered "teaching" at the time and was accepted by the church as gospel. You won't find such a "teaching" in any modern day "authoritative works", as it is quite embarrassing to say the least.

bullshit. Not everything Young wrote or personally believed was considered gospel, not by a long shot.

And what do you mean by "modern day" the method by which anything becomes official was spelled out in the D&C by J. Smith in the 1800's, and this method has never changed since.

Young s personal belief in Sun inhabitants was NEVER canonized and was never part of the Gospel.

Crazyirishman wrote:You can make fun of the mormons all you want (it's pretty fun and I've made more than my share or mormon jokes), but I grew up in a town near the utah border so there were many Mormons in my town, and those fuckers have good family structure. They will have family game night even when the kids are in there teens, and go knocking door to door in their suits whether it is -20 or 100 outside which take some dedication. i cant think of the last time I heard about a mormon kid getting in trouble. What they believe may be batshit crazy but in the grand scheme of things they have more positives than any trouble they cause

The problem is that if there is an afterlife and what decisions you make here will determine what happens to you there, then teachin people a fabrication instead of the truth is inexcusable - especially when it's batshit crazy.

b.k. barunt wrote:

Crazyirishman wrote:You can make fun of the mormons all you want (it's pretty fun and I've made more than my share or mormon jokes), but I grew up in a town near the utah border so there were many Mormons in my town, and those fuckers have good family structure. They will have family game night even when the kids are in there teens, and go knocking door to door in their suits whether it is -20 or 100 outside which take some dedication. i cant think of the last time I heard about a mormon kid getting in trouble. What they believe may be batshit crazy but in the grand scheme of things they have more positives than any trouble they cause

The problem is that if there is an afterlife and what decisions you make here will determine what happens to you there, then teachin people a fabrication instead of the truth is inexcusable - especially when it's batshit crazy.

Batshit crazy according to you right?

demonfork wrote:

b.k. barunt wrote:

demonfork wrote:

pimpdave wrote:22. Joseph Smith taught that there were inhabitants on the moon, and Brigham Young taught there were inhabitants on the sun as well!

Was never "taught". You will not find this "teaching" in ANY authoritative works within the Mormon gospel.

Did J. Smith and Young believe in sun and moon inhabitants? Probably but so did a lot of others in the early 1800's. A pretty common belief back then.

I don't know of any writings by Smith that indicated such beliefs, but Brigham Young wrote that there were men on the moon who wore hats like Quakers. Anything Young wrote was considered "teaching" at the time and was accepted by the church as gospel. You won't find such a "teaching" in any modern day "authoritative works", as it is quite embarrassing to say the least.

bullshit. Not everything Young wrote or personally believed was considered gospel, not by a long shot.

And what do you mean by "modern day" the method by which anything becomes official was spelled out in the D&C by J. Smith in the 1800's, and this method has never changed since.

Young s personal belief in Sun inhabitants was NEVER canonized and was never part of the Gospel.

First of all, to disagree with anything that Young said was to invite excommunication. Any history of the LDS under his leadership (well maybe not one written by Mormons) will confirm that.

Secondly, by "modern" i refer to outright deletions and additions such as those in "Doctrines and Covenants". There are three copies of the original in existence - two are owned by the Mormons and you can't see them (big surprise that) and one is, if memory serves me correctly, in the Harvard or Yale library. Anyone can access that one on the internet and see if what i say is true. I took my copy and compared it to the original; everywhere mine was missing something that was in the original i wrote it in the margins and everywhere something in my copy wasn't in the original i drew a line through it in pencil. When i got finished my copy looked like a rough draft.

Thirdly, there were many things taught over the years in the LDS that are not canonized now - Polygamy for one. Both Smith and Young taught that you could not enter the Kingdom of God without multiple wives. Unless i'm mistaken that is no longer part of church teaching.

demonfork wrote:

b.k. barunt wrote:

Crazyirishman wrote:You can make fun of the mormons all you want (it's pretty fun and I've made more than my share or mormon jokes), but I grew up in a town near the utah border so there were many Mormons in my town, and those fuckers have good family structure. They will have family game night even when the kids are in there teens, and go knocking door to door in their suits whether it is -20 or 100 outside which take some dedication. i cant think of the last time I heard about a mormon kid getting in trouble. What they believe may be batshit crazy but in the grand scheme of things they have more positives than any trouble they cause

The problem is that if there is an afterlife and what decisions you make here will determine what happens to you there, then teachin people a fabrication instead of the truth is inexcusable - especially when it's batshit crazy.

Batshit crazy according to you right?

Wrong again - i was quoting crazyirishman.

b.k. barunt wrote:

demonfork wrote:

b.k. barunt wrote:

Crazyirishman wrote:You can make fun of the mormons all you want (it's pretty fun and I've made more than my share or mormon jokes), but I grew up in a town near the utah border so there were many Mormons in my town, and those fuckers have good family structure. They will have family game night even when the kids are in there teens, and go knocking door to door in their suits whether it is -20 or 100 outside which take some dedication. i cant think of the last time I heard about a mormon kid getting in trouble. What they believe may be batshit crazy but in the grand scheme of things they have more positives than any trouble they cause

The problem is that if there is an afterlife and what decisions you make here will determine what happens to you there, then teachin people a fabrication instead of the truth is inexcusable - especially when it's batshit crazy.

Batshit crazy according to you right?

Wrong again - i was quoting crazyirishman.

No shit Sherlock...and I was responding to your response to crazyirishman's quote

It's batshit crazy according to the scientific method. The question, gentlemen, as always - is "how the f*ck do you know that?" If your answer is "faith" then yes, you are batshit crazy and have no business teaching it to other people. Also, you're an automatic half-retard.

b.k. barunt wrote:

demonfork wrote:

b.k. barunt wrote:

demonfork wrote:

pimpdave wrote:22. Joseph Smith taught that there were inhabitants on the moon, and Brigham Young taught there were inhabitants on the sun as well!

Was never "taught". You will not find this "teaching" in ANY authoritative works within the Mormon gospel.

Did J. Smith and Young believe in sun and moon inhabitants? Probably but so did a lot of others in the early 1800's. A pretty common belief back then.

I don't know of any writings by Smith that indicated such beliefs, but Brigham Young wrote that there were men on the moon who wore hats like Quakers. Anything Young wrote was considered "teaching" at the time and was accepted by the church as gospel. You won't find such a "teaching" in any modern day "authoritative works", as it is quite embarrassing to say the least.

bullshit. Not everything Young wrote or personally believed was considered gospel, not by a long shot.

And what do you mean by "modern day" the method by which anything becomes official was spelled out in the D&C by J. Smith in the 1800's, and this method has never changed since.

Young s personal belief in Sun inhabitants was NEVER canonized and was never part of the Gospel.

First of all, to disagree with anything that Young said was to invite excommunication. Any history of the LDS under his leadership (well maybe not one written by Mormons) will confirm that.

Secondly, by "modern" i refer to outright deletions and additions such as those in "Doctrines and Covenants". There are three copies of the original in existence - two are owned by the Mormons and you can't see them (big surprise that) and one is, if memory serves me correctly, in the Harvard or Yale library. Anyone can access that one on the internet and see if what i say is true. I took my copy and compared it to the original; everywhere mine was missing something that was in the original i wrote it in the margins and everywhere something in my copy wasn't in the original i drew a line through it in pencil. When i got finished my copy looked like a rough draft.

Thirdly, there were many things taught over the years in the LDS that are not canonized now - Polygamy for one. Both Smith and Young taught that you could not enter the Kingdom of God without multiple wives. Unless i'm mistaken that is no longer part of church teaching.

Jesus Christ brah, you are wrong, wrong and more WRONG!

1. What does being excommunicated for publicly challenging the Profit have to do with whether or not everything that came out of Young's mouth was authoritative gospel? You keep goal post moving and its fucking irritating me.

2. Read this, (although you probably wont) http://en.fairmormon.org/Doctrine_and_Covenants/Textual_changes

3. When did I once say that once something was canonized that it couldn't be changed/amended? That's one of the reasons why Mormons have modern day Profits because there is a need for modern day revelation. Shit changes brah gotta keep up with the changing times!

Juan_Bottom wrote:It's batshit crazy according to the scientific method. The question, gentlemen, as always - is "how the f*ck do you know that?" If your answer is "faith" then yes, you are batshit crazy and have no business teaching it to other people. Also, you're an automatic half-retard.

True, Mormon gospel is no more or less crazy than any other faith based belief system....That's one of the reasons why I always find it amusing when peeps of supposed faith try and bring down other peeps faith systems. (especially born-agains like BK)

demonfork wrote:

b.k. barunt]First of all, to disagree with anything that Young said was to invite excommunication. Any history of the LDS under his leadership (well maybe not one written by Mormons) will confirm that.

Secondly, by "modern" i refer to outright deletions and additions such as those in "Doctrines and Covenants". There are three copies of the original in existence - two are owned by the Mormons and you can't see them (big surprise that) and one is, if memory serves me correctly, in the Harvard or Yale library. Anyone can access that one on the internet and see if what i say is true. I took my copy and compared it to the original; everywhere mine was missing something that was in the original i wrote it in the margins and everywhere something in my copy wasn't in the original i drew a line through it in pencil. When i got finished my copy looked like a rough draft.

Thirdly, there were many things taught over the years in the LDS that are not canonized now - Polygamy for one. Both Smith and Young taught that you could not enter the Kingdom of God without multiple wives. Unless i'm mistaken that is no longer part of church teaching.[/quote]


[quote="demonfork wrote:Jesus Christ brah, you are wrong, wrong and more WRONG!

1. What does being excommunicated for publicly challenging the Profit have to do with whether or not everything that came out of Young's mouth was authoritative gospel? You keep goal post moving and its fucking irritating me.

2. Read this, (although you probably wont) http://en.fairmormon.org/Doctrine_and_Covenants/Textual_changes

3. When did I once say that once something was canonized that it couldn't be changed/amended? That's one of the reasons why Mormons have modern day Profits because there is a need for modern day revelation. Shit changes brah gotta keep up with the changing times!

The "Profit"??? I'm sorry, but you just made me literally lol - i mean loud. The dog is looking at me like i'm nuts. That's gotta be the best Freudian slip i've ever seen, and you should be excommunicated from the LDS for it. Outstanding! Definitely quotable.

1. Did you read your question? If you can be excommunicated for challenging it i'd say that's pretty authoritative . . .

2.I read it. Interesting. So the LDS doesn't believe in the "inerrancy" of its Profits . . . urk . . . sorry, its Prophets. In other words they can make mistakes in relaying messages from God. Wut?? Niggaplease! The article says "they're not fax machines, they're human". Riiiiiiight. So why listen to what they have to say?? Why base a religion on what these self styled "prophets of God" feed you? How do you know what's true and what's a "mistake"???? Thanks, i just added another amazing fact about Mormonism to my already bulging collection. I think we're ready for another South Park episode.

3. Has the Bible ever been changed/amended? No. Why is that? Because if it had been that would prove that it was imperfect. If it was imperfect it couldn't be written by God. Men make mistakes, but God chose certain men to write the scriptures and imbued them with His Spirit so that they wouldn't make mistakes. The sign of a prophet in the Old Testament was that if he said something was from God and it didn't come to pass he was not a prophet - no second chances (Deuteronomy 18:22). The Mormon church is riddled with mistakes, which proves that its a hoax. As far as "keeping up with the changing times", man changes - God does not, nor does His Word (Hebrews 13:8).

I think this will be fact 24...

24. All the Mormon girls at my high school were hot.

i knew a mormon girl at college and i can confirm that

25. Every Mormon girl I've known is ugly...like, I'd rather have sex with Serbia ugly