radiojake wrote:Great post Juan,
Some of his rhetoric sounds quite stable and sane, too bad it gets caught up in religious rhetoric and he misses the point that even in Democracies it is really fucking hard to vote out corrupt leaders.
It's hard for a free-thinking person not to empathize with him on some level. But the empathy ends where Osama's hypocrisy begins. He want's American's to stop killing Muslim children, but he himself orders the killings of Muslim Children. Furthermore, he ordered the killing of American and Israeli children too.
Pirlo wrote:it is just a sample of Israel's brutal crimes, yet they always play the victim role.
Your average American has no idea what you're talking about. Most of them cant find France on a map. But your average CC OTer knows what you're talking about and is likely on your side of this argument. It's all political and that's all it is.
thegreekdog wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:
How does one conventionally fight a military force like the US without having the resources to do so?
I understand your point and I agree with it.
That doesn't mean that I do though. Osama had a long time to plan this out. Theoretically he could have just as easily sent his suicide planes into Fort Bragg. That would have sent a completely different message to America and the rest of the world than the message that was sent. Instead of waking America up to the fact that we have been at war with Osama since the 90s, he united us all and gave our government a blank check to do even more imperialism and domestic subjugation.
What would the world be like today if, following 9-11, the United States Government had not had conducted a telephone conference call directing the heads of the five dominant American television networks to agree to censor free speech, public discourse and debate by suppressing from broadcast any statements by bin Laden, and suppressing the horrific video images that the rest of the “civilized” world was watching – i.e., the pictures of the United States military killing tens of thousands of innocent people while intentionally bombing civilian facilities and homes in Afghanistan. Prime Minster Blair did the same in England, wrestling a similar agreement from the three T.V. networks of the United Kingdom. In all likelihood, there would have been more knowledge about the truth, more public condemnation of the “coalition” governments, no invasion of Iraq, no Police State and no erosion of individual Liberties in America.
*I did not endorse the bold part*
But because this happened, the general public has not heard the other side of the story.
thegreekdog wrote:Maybe I can put it another way - if we were the Evil Empire we would have killed everyone that disagrees with us (or lives near the people that disagree with us) already. Because we probably can.
thegreekdog wrote:Phatscotty wrote:It's a fight. This is what a fight looks like. The losers lose, so we had better f'n win!
Maybe I can put it another way - if we were the Evil Empire we would have killed everyone that disagrees with us (or lives near the people that disagree with us) already. Because we probably can.
I love history. And one thing that has always stood out to me is the condition of the world after 1945. America put it all back together. We could have taken everything but we didn't. And that's why they are the greatest generation. Since that time however, we have engaged in all sorts of new-age imperialism. But we also are the world's most charitable country. And we financially support the UN.... Obviously I feel a lot of ambivalence toward our country.
