Conquer Club

Only thing is, who will she be now? Everyone knows she has 2 VERY different sides, questions will be asked, even if she was given a chance to return, i believe that CS wont be that person, she will need to start over, which will be very differcult as no doubt stuff will get said/spilled and then it will come to this again. I think its over for her, no matter how much she tries she will always be banned. End of.

Ronaldinho wrote:Only thing is, who will she be now? Everyone knows she has 2 VERY different sides, questions will be asked, even if she was given a chance to return, i believe that CS wont be that person, she will need to start over, which will be very differcult as no doubt stuff will get said/spilled and then it will come to this again. I think its over for her, no matter how much she tries she will always be banned. End of.

she can come back as a man?

laddida wrote:

Ronaldinho wrote:Only thing is, who will she be now? Everyone knows she has 2 VERY different sides, questions will be asked, even if she was given a chance to return, i believe that CS wont be that person, she will need to start over, which will be very differcult as no doubt stuff will get said/spilled and then it will come to this again. I think its over for her, no matter how much she tries she will always be banned. End of.

she can come back as a man?

Lady gaga?

Ronaldinho wrote:Only thing is, who will she be now? Everyone knows she has 2 VERY different sides, questions will be asked, even if she was given a chance to return, i believe that CS wont be that person, she will need to start over, which will be very differcult as no doubt stuff will get said/spilled and then it will come to this again. I think its over for her, no matter how much she tries she will always be banned. End of.

Have you ever played video games and played BOTH 1st and 2nd player's turns just because you were trying to advance in a level or you were just simply hooked? Circa: Ghost and Goblins...I know some of you aren't old farts like I am but that was an addictive arcade game back in the 80's. Anyhow, let me ask you this....what IF CC let you buy a second account - posted it in the forums stating fully both player names. Then, let's just also hypothetically say that CC additionally decided to create a forum specifically listing ALL known multi's? Next they decide to put another forum and simply call it "Hall of Shame" and listed all these premium players with two accounts who purposely created games to simply gain points? How would this be any different from my original example of playing both player's turns? Obviously lack would profit from this, and I'm most positive that these players would certainly be blacklisted/foed by many players. Delia and Captain_Scarlet were two different personalities, and maybe it was someone else who had access to her account? Maybe, she was also given a second chance? Who cares? All this silly drama is absolutely ridiculous. All this discussion about cheating? So, what if CC stated that in game chat that you could not talk 'smack' and it would automatically be considered a ban? Then what? Some of you are taking this too seriously and quite honestly you're acting like drama queens when you have no idea what's really going on. These rules, well it's obvious that not everyone is going to think that it's that big of a deal. It really isn't.

hwhrhett wrote:except that creating the new account IS against the rules.. so saying she wasnt breaking any is a silly arguement. why is it that everybody in this thread seems to think that not being able to create multiple accounts is an unneccessary rule? you cant honestly think cc would be a better place if people were allowed to have multis... and scarlet must have known that this would happen eventually. secrets cant be kept secret forever, it was inevitable.

My argument, and it's what the others have said but failed to communicate: what is a multi? Area all multis the same? Do they all deserve to be punished the same?
I just don't see all multis as equal. This isn't black and white, there are a lot of grey areas here.
I look at a multi (bad) as someone who creates other accounts to cheat at the game or with the goal of causing trouble. There are others (good) who just want to live and let live. Not only was Scarlet not hurting anyone, she was improving the site. Does that mean she is forgiven her trespasses? No, but neither does it mean that she is a malicious person with evil intentions. Those people actually get a second chance to buy back in. AND! I have yet to see a post where someone thought Scarlet was a destructive member. Creating a new account and starting over was not a mistake for her.
Isn't there a way to take that into account if it hasn't been already? And also to consider the fact that we have a new scale for punishments? I'm not saying we should re-instate her, because I don't know enough about this anyway. Plus Scarlet's rep is destroyed. But were there some peace made over this and I were in charge I would have her make another account.
And I don't think that I need to remind everyone, but most people who are banned here just make a new account anyway. This isn't new or rare. I won't mind saying that if I were banned somehow I would do the same.
Scarlet did nothing wrong actually. Her crime was existing here before.

That said, I was also good friends with Delia.
I wasn't here when she was banned, and I haven't seen squat about it save conjecture. It doesn't seem like anyone here really knows what happened, and the witnesses are all silent. Furthermore while the BPBs are all great people on their own, there is just something funny about messing with the clan. It is probably because they all can take it. So that is excused and encouraged actually.
All of my love Delia.

I don't consider Scarlet's rep ruined and have yet to read
a foul accusation against this account.
beyond the existence of an inactive previous account.
I'd like to see her buy back in... as Scarlet and end all this
overblown petty drama bs.

Anyone has a problem with this person as Captain_Scarlet
there's always the foe list.

InsomniaRed wrote:

jefjef wrote:Well what I understand is players are checked before allowed to be an SoC teacher.

I also understand that Capt Scar had tried for some time to become a MOD but felt she didn't fit in the sweet "16" scheme of things.

Hmmmmm. Something strange happened and nothing but lots and lots of silence.

You can be assured that everything was and is handled very carefully. If someone is website banned and stripped of their premium membership you can definitely deduce that it was for a justifiable and concrete reason. I can tell you for a fact that those aren't just thrown around like candy ;)

This member was obviously breaking the rules on Conquer Club and the punishment that was required to deal with this abuse was a website ban.

You do the math, I know you guys know the rules as well as the punishments.

Jefjef kicked by KS which was wrong and lose jefjef a lotta points

Kanabellas was banned, striped, and kicked from many usergroups and was then cleared almost causing Kanabellas to retire from CC

Juan_Bottom wrote:
My argument, and it's what the others have said but failed to communicate: what is a multi? Area all multis the same? Do they all deserve to be punished the same?
I just don't see all multis as equal. This isn't black and white, there are a lot of grey areas here.
I look at a multi (bad) as someone who creates other accounts to cheat at the game or with the goal of causing trouble. There are others (good) who just want to live and let live. Not only was Scarlet not hurting anyone, she was improving the site. Does that mean she is forgiven her trespasses? No, but neither does it mean that she is a malicious person with evil intentions. Those people actually get a second chance to buy back in. AND! I have yet to see a post where someone thought Scarlet was a destructive member. Creating a new account and starting over was not a mistake for her.
Isn't there a way to take that into account if it hasn't been already? And also to consider the fact that we have a new scale for punishments? I'm not saying we should re-instate her, because I don't know enough about this anyway. Plus Scarlet's rep is destroyed. But were there some peace made over this and I were in charge I would have her make another account.
And I don't think that I need to remind everyone, but most people who are banned here just make a new account anyway. This isn't new or rare. I won't mind saying that if I were banned somehow I would do the same.
Scarlet did nothing wrong actually. Her crime was existing here before.

That said, I was also good friends with Delia.
I wasn't here when she was banned, and I haven't seen squat about it save conjecture. It doesn't seem like anyone here really knows what happened, and the witnesses are all silent. Furthermore while the BPBs are all great people on their own, there is just something funny about messing with the clan. It is probably because they all can take it. So that is excused and encouraged actually.
All of my love Delia.

Thank you Juan.

colton24 wrote:

InsomniaRed wrote:

jefjef wrote:Well what I understand is players are checked before allowed to be an SoC teacher.

I also understand that Capt Scar had tried for some time to become a MOD but felt she didn't fit in the sweet "16" scheme of things.

Hmmmmm. Something strange happened and nothing but lots and lots of silence.

You can be assured that everything was and is handled very carefully. If someone is website banned and stripped of their premium membership you can definitely deduce that it was for a justifiable and concrete reason. I can tell you for a fact that those aren't just thrown around like candy ;)

This member was obviously breaking the rules on Conquer Club and the punishment that was required to deal with this abuse was a website ban.

You do the math, I know you guys know the rules as well as the punishments.

Jefjef kicked by KS which was wrong and lose jefjef a lotta points

Kanabellas was banned, striped, and kicked from many usergroups and was then cleared almost causing Kanabellas to retire from CC

To put that in perspective, how many justified and bans helpful to the site were made in that time period?

neanderpaul14 wrote:

Juan_Bottom wrote:
My argument, and it's what the others have said but failed to communicate: what is a multi? Area all multis the same? Do they all deserve to be punished the same?
I just don't see all multis as equal. This isn't black and white, there are a lot of grey areas here.
I look at a multi (bad) as someone who creates other accounts to cheat at the game or with the goal of causing trouble. There are others (good) who just want to live and let live. Not only was Scarlet not hurting anyone, she was improving the site. Does that mean she is forgiven her trespasses? No, but neither does it mean that she is a malicious person with evil intentions. Those people actually get a second chance to buy back in. AND! I have yet to see a post where someone thought Scarlet was a destructive member. Creating a new account and starting over was not a mistake for her.
Isn't there a way to take that into account if it hasn't been already? And also to consider the fact that we have a new scale for punishments? I'm not saying we should re-instate her, because I don't know enough about this anyway. Plus Scarlet's rep is destroyed. But were there some peace made over this and I were in charge I would have her make another account.
And I don't think that I need to remind everyone, but most people who are banned here just make a new account anyway. This isn't new or rare. I won't mind saying that if I were banned somehow I would do the same.
Scarlet did nothing wrong actually. Her crime was existing here before.

That said, I was also good friends with Delia.
I wasn't here when she was banned, and I haven't seen squat about it save conjecture. It doesn't seem like anyone here really knows what happened, and the witnesses are all silent. Furthermore while the BPBs are all great people on their own, there is just something funny about messing with the clan. It is probably because they all can take it. So that is excused and encouraged actually.
All of my love Delia.

Thank you Juan.

+1

colton24 wrote:

InsomniaRed wrote:

jefjef wrote:Well what I understand is players are checked before allowed to be an SoC teacher.

I also understand that Capt Scar had tried for some time to become a MOD but felt she didn't fit in the sweet "16" scheme of things.

Hmmmmm. Something strange happened and nothing but lots and lots of silence.

You can be assured that everything was and is handled very carefully. If someone is website banned and stripped of their premium membership you can definitely deduce that it was for a justifiable and concrete reason. I can tell you for a fact that those aren't just thrown around like candy ;)

This member was obviously breaking the rules on Conquer Club and the punishment that was required to deal with this abuse was a website ban.

You do the math, I know you guys know the rules as well as the punishments.

Jefjef kicked by KS which was wrong and lose jefjef a lotta points

Kanabellas was banned, striped, and kicked from many usergroups and was then cleared almost causing Kanabellas to retire from CC

ks's mistake was that a mistake...If you were a moderator you could see what i mean how these buttons used to be able to be mixed up.
As for kanabella's this user does not exist :S

But to use it as an example. cs/delia was kicked for a whole other issue. An issue in which there was no mistake about. Simple as that.

lord voldemort wrote:As for kanabella's this user does not exist :S

[player]Kabanellas[/player]

Delia was a head case and if scarlet was the same player then I can see her creating this drama. She was a Sheep for a short time and she seemed to create drama just to have it. Neanderpaul has some history with her so he could explain in better details I am certain.

Bottom line is if both delia and scarlet were the same players, even if they weren't multis, it was inevitable for he/she/it to eventually cause something to warrant a ban. We who were in games with the creature are victim of it's stupidity.

slowreactor wrote:

lord voldemort wrote:As for kanabella's this user does not exist :S

[player]Kabanellas[/player]

ohhh k....mistakes about multi's can sometimes be made...family people living under same roof. This is one of those case's this isnt the same as the cs/delia thing.
If delia wasnt website banned for the reasons she was. And it was found out cs was a multi. She could buy back or premium stripped etc. However because delia was webstie banned why would we let cs hang around. We banned delia for a reason

Oh come off all this rubbish about captain scarlet being a genuinely nice person. It was delia all along just pretending to be different so that she wouldn't get caught. Delia was both mentally unstable and a real problem for this site. It was good that she was banned on both accounts.

I used to be a friend of hers, then found that it was becoming increasingly difficult to ensure she separated cc from reality. She seems to hook up with anyone who she is of a mind too, then goes overboard, then it all becomes just too much trouble. My mailbox ended up bombarded with all sorts of crazy gang stuff. I have some really messed up stuff saved.

If a criminal escaped from jail and found somewhere to live, became friends with everyone there, became a teacher at the school, was just a regular member of society, and then the police caught up with them, the criminal's new friends would not say "Oh well he was good here, he was an asset to our village, he helped others" because a criminal is a criminal. You cannot ignore past crimes and the fact that it may all occur again with the same person should you let them roam free.

Wow this thread is a monstrosity. Kill it with fire?

firth4eva wrote:Oh come off all this rubbish about captain scarlet being a genuinely nice person. It was delia all along just pretending to be different so that she wouldn't get caught. Delia was both mentally unstable and a real problem for this site. It was good that she was banned on both accounts.

I used to be a friend of hers, then found that it was becoming increasingly difficult to ensure she separated cc from reality. She seems to hook up with anyone who she is of a mind too, then goes overboard, then it all becomes just too much trouble. My mailbox ended up bombarded with all sorts of crazy gang stuff. I have some really messed up stuff saved.

If a criminal escaped from jail and found somewhere to live, became friends with everyone there, became a teacher at the school, was just a regular member of society, and then the police caught up with them, the criminal's new friends would not say "Oh well he was good here, he was an asset to our village, he helped others" because a criminal is a criminal. You cannot ignore past crimes and the fact that it may all occur again with the same person should you let them roam free.

Well put.

firth4eva wrote:If a criminal escaped from jail and found somewhere to live, became friends with everyone there, became a teacher at the school, was just a regular member of society, and then the police caught up with them, the criminal's new friends would not say "Oh well he was good here, he was an asset to our village, he helped others" because a criminal is a criminal. You cannot ignore past crimes and the fact that it may all occur again with the same person should you let them roam free.

I'm sorry but that is fuc**ng dribble mate. People can change. People find it in themselves to make up for what they've done. A few of my friends have done a bunch of dumb crap but i wouldn't ever hold it against them because they haven't been punished for it, because they learned from it and have moved on. Basically what you've just said is "IF YOU f*ck UP THEN YOU SHOULD JUST BE DUMPED ON THE CURB AND EVERYONE TO HATE YOU" Which is the most nimble minded piece of trash i've ever set eyes on. Its people like you who believe jail is somewhere for people to rot, be treated like rats and never be spoken to, and not to be taught what they've done wrong, improve their education and make them ready for society when they're ready. Fml.

Ronaldinho wrote:

firth4eva wrote:If a criminal escaped from jail and found somewhere to live, became friends with everyone there, became a teacher at the school, was just a regular member of society, and then the police caught up with them, the criminal's new friends would not say "Oh well he was good here, he was an asset to our village, he helped others" because a criminal is a criminal. You cannot ignore past crimes and the fact that it may all occur again with the same person should you let them roam free.

I'm sorry but that is fuc**ng dribble mate. People can change. People find it in themselves to make up for what they've done. A few of my friends have done a bunch of dumb crap but i wouldn't ever hold it against them because they haven't been punished for it, because they learned from it and have moved on. Basically what you've just said is "IF YOU f*ck UP THEN YOU SHOULD JUST BE DUMPED ON THE CURB AND EVERYONE TO HATE YOU" Which is the most nimble minded piece of trash i've ever set eyes on. Its people like you who believe jail is somewhere for people to rot, be treated like rats and never be spoken to, and not to be taught what they've done wrong, improve their education and make them ready for society when they're ready. Fml.

No, I do not think people should be put into jail to rot etc. I believe they should be released when they are ready for society, but delia wasn't. She was, and still is, mentally unstable. There is a difference between "fucking up" and what delia did, which is a deep seated problem and is unlikely to ever change. Also, this is the internet. Don't take what I said as a personal attack against your friends. 2 very different situations.

lord voldemort wrote:

slowreactor wrote:

lord voldemort wrote:As for kanabella's this user does not exist :S

[player]Kabanellas[/player]

ohhh k....mistakes about multi's can sometimes be made...family people living under same roof. This is one of those case's this isnt the same as the cs/delia thing.
If delia wasnt website banned for the reasons she was. And it was found out cs was a multi. She could buy back or premium stripped etc. However because delia was webstie banned why would we let cs hang around. We banned delia for a reason

Ok then now answer this.

CS had premium and had a multi. Stripped and kicked from site.

Sailorseal had preium and multi. Stripped, but allowed to stay.

Double policies?

colton24 wrote:

lord voldemort wrote:

slowreactor wrote:

lord voldemort wrote:As for kanabella's this user does not exist :S

[player]Kabanellas[/player]

ohhh k....mistakes about multi's can sometimes be made...family people living under same roof. This is one of those case's this isnt the same as the cs/delia thing.
If delia wasnt website banned for the reasons she was. And it was found out cs was a multi. She could buy back or premium stripped etc. However because delia was webstie banned why would we let cs hang around. We banned delia for a reason

Ok then now answer this.

CS had premium and had a multi. Stripped and kicked from site.

Sailorseal had preium and multi. Stripped, but allowed to stay.

Double policies?

Well, I really think you quoted the answer to your question, unless sailorseal was stripped of premium but allowed to stay, for the same reasons as CS. Im not defending it or knocking it either way, but if you want to give an example of unfair practices, you have to show that two situations were the same to begin with. Its a common mistake among those that profess unfair practices. I have never seen a timely example of two people doing the same thing and being treated differently. Ive seen hundreds of accusations of it, but never an actual example. So, was sailorseal kicked originally for the same reasons as delia in the first place? If so, this may be a very pertinent point. If not, than how sailorseal was treated, as any other non perma-banned multi was treated, actually does not apply. That does not mean that one cannot still argue that delia should or should not have been permabanned in the first place...but to show unfairness, the example needs to be with someone who did nearly the exact same thing....and....in the same reasonable time period.

Ronaldinho wrote:

firth4eva wrote:If a criminal escaped from jail and found somewhere to live, became friends with everyone there, became a teacher at the school, was just a regular member of society, and then the police caught up with them, the criminal's new friends would not say "Oh well he was good here, he was an asset to our village, he helped others" because a criminal is a criminal. You cannot ignore past crimes and the fact that it may all occur again with the same person should you let them roam free.

I'm sorry but that is fuc**ng dribble mate. People can change. People find it in themselves to make up for what they've done. A few of my friends have done a bunch of dumb crap but i wouldn't ever hold it against them because they haven't been punished for it, because they learned from it and have moved on. Basically what you've just said is "IF YOU f*ck UP THEN YOU SHOULD JUST BE DUMPED ON THE CURB AND EVERYONE TO HATE YOU" Which is the most nimble minded piece of trash i've ever set eyes on. Its people like you who believe jail is somewhere for people to rot, be treated like rats and never be spoken to, and not to be taught what they've done wrong, improve their education and make them ready for society when they're ready.

Well, comparing a website ban to jail is just silly. No inherent freedoms were taken away. Its a private site, and though it seems delia did something in here to annoy a few people, as far as CC is concerned, she can still play on every other website in the entire world. They just spent too much time on her the first time, and asked her to move along. Its actually you over-dramatizing this in this case...though....I cant believe I just typed that...for a number of reasons.

And im not arguing whether delia should get another chance or not...only that a website ban is a business decision...not prison or incarceration, or any real punishment in any real way at all. We all know if we go to far in someone elses venue, that we may be asked not to return, the same way we know if we get drunk, piss on someones couch and shave their cat, that we may be asked not to return to that house. Maybe they forgive, maybe they dont...but in either case, its not prison.

Well, comparing a website ban to jail is just silly.

To be fair, I think he was just using that analogy because he replied to a post where the poster compared C.S. to a criminal who escapes from jail and becomes a teacher, or something...

natty_dread wrote:

Well, comparing a website ban to jail is just silly.

To be fair, I think he was just using that analogy because he replied to a post where the poster compared C.S. to a criminal who escapes from jail and becomes a teacher, or something...

Yeah, I added firths quote back in. Without it it didnt make sense.