United States is a terrorist group

[bradleybadly]

Can't you just state your arguments (at least the main points)? Look where YouTube's gotten Ron Paul and 9/11.

Oh I get it, if it's on youtube then it's automatically wrong. Don't try linking me in with the Ron Paul fruitcakes. If you've got some pearl of wisdom that shows that Michael Moore hasn't been lying in his films then show it.

A video of the American Civil War on youtube.

I guess the whole American Civil War never actually took place. After all there's a video of it on youtube. Please think about the content of what's being discussed instead of proposing some stupid straw man argument.

[Frigidus]

Can't you just state your arguments (at least the main points)? Look where YouTube's gotten Ron Paul and 9/11.

Oh I get it, if it's on youtube then it's automatically wrong. Don't try linking me in with the Ron Paul fruitcakes. If you've got some pearl of wisdom that shows that Michael Moore hasn't been lying in his films then show it.

A video of the American Civil War on youtube.

I guess the whole American Civil War never actually took place. After all there's a video of it on youtube. Please think about the content of what's being discussed instead of proposing some stupid straw man argument.

I'm on your side about Michael Moore first off. Second, I'm just saying that if you can't put an argument into your own words then you don't actually have an opinion.

[bradleybadly]

I'm on your side about Michael Moore first off. Second, I'm just saying that if you can't put an argument into your own words then you don't actually have an opinion.

My fault. I apologize.

[unriggable]

Bradley, there is no more objective view than the W.H.O.

Cuba:
Life expectancy at birth m/f (years): 75/79

US:
Life expectancy at birth m/f (years): 75/80

Okay, they're pretty much the same. I'm wrong.

You posted 3 minutes after I did. There's no way that you took the time to watch those videos. The reason the W.H.O. publishes those figures is because they simply accepted the Cuban government's stats. They didn't double check anything. You absolutely have to be 18 or younger to be this gullible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6ZH1ps20WA

Yes I am under 18, FYI Youtube is not a credible source.

[soundout9]

It's our governments' fault for causing the deaths of thousands of innocents. Reagan virtually created terrorists by funding Osama and giving him CIA training. Reagan killed three thousand people and don't forget our backing of Saddam Hussein against Iran. Our government is has created breeding grounds for terrorism by funding them and fueling their energy. I have been freed from the blindfold around us. Have you?

You're an idiot

AMEN!

[unriggable]

It's our governments' fault for causing the deaths of thousands of innocents. Reagan virtually created terrorists by funding Osama and giving him CIA training. Reagan killed three thousand people and don't forget our backing of Saddam Hussein against Iran. Our government is has created breeding grounds for terrorism by funding them and fueling their energy. I have been freed from the blindfold around us. Have you?

You're an idiot

AMEN!

Talk about a good argument. You absolutely stumped me there.

[bradleybadly]

It's our governments' fault for causing the deaths of thousands of innocents. Reagan virtually created terrorists by funding Osama and giving him CIA training. Reagan killed three thousand people and don't forget our backing of Saddam Hussein against Iran. Our government is has created breeding grounds for terrorism by funding them and fueling their energy. I have been freed from the blindfold around us. Have you?

You're an idiot

AMEN!

Talk about a good argument. You absolutely stumped me there.

OMG it's on youtube so it can't be true!! There's hundreds of videos of the Revolutionary War, WWII, and other conflicts. They couldn't possibly have taken place because they're on youtube. There is no such place as earth because there's a video of it on youtube!!

[Snorri1234]

It's our governments' fault for causing the deaths of thousands of innocents. Reagan virtually created terrorists by funding Osama and giving him CIA training. Reagan killed three thousand people and don't forget our backing of Saddam Hussein against Iran. Our government is has created breeding grounds for terrorism by funding them and fueling their energy. I have been freed from the blindfold around us. Have you?

You're an idiot

AMEN!

Talk about a good argument. You absolutely stumped me there.

OMG it's on youtube so it can't be true!! There's hundreds of videos of the Revolutionary War, WWII, and other conflicts. They couldn't possibly have taken place because they're on youtube. There is no such place as earth because there's a video of it on youtube!!

See, I knew you were an idiot, but I figured there must be some sort of reasoning skill in your mind. I was wrong though.

[Snorri1234]

You just soak it all up like a sponge as well. 20/20 exposed his lies. You must still be in high school to be so gullible.

Part I

Right, that doesn't tell anyone anything they didn't already know.

Part II

Oh I see. So because my healthcare is paid for I go to the hospital everyday to get a free MRI and free medication while I'm healthy?

I can't believe people still believe in that ridiculous theory.

[jay_a2j]

I can't believe people still believe in that ridiculous theory.

Prove it wrong then! Oh that's right, the government exported all of the rubble from the towers over sea's before it could be inspected. Never mind, you're right, it was terrorists.

[Snorri1234]

I can't believe people still believe in that ridiculous theory.

Prove it wrong then! Oh that's right, the government exported all of the rubble from the towers over sea's before it could be inspected. Never mind, you're right, it was terrorists.

Your posts begin to make less and less sense.

I mean, plain common sense shows the massive holes in the comparison between free groceries and free healthcare. I mean, wtf?

[jay_a2j]

The cost of a Tylenol is about $30 in a hospital. Why? Because since insurance pays for it NOT the patient, the hospital can charge whatever they want! If we had grocery insurance everyone would be buying steak and lobster for dinner, makes sense to me.

[Chris7He]

We haven't defined Iraq's Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist group. Believe it or not, the majority of Iraq is opposed to terrorism as much as we are. It is the actual terrorist groups that still operate in Irag that give them a bad name.

Iran's Revolutionary Guard. I know that the majority of Iraq are opposed to terrorism, but they are also opposed to the humiliation of occupation. Many interviews with terrorists on Frontline resulted in the realization that many terrorists wanted the US out.

[Chris7He]

Most of that list is true you know. Some of it is kind of an abstract connection though, backing people that may have ended up doing horrible things doesn't make us the terrorists, and taking it so far as to say we killed them is out of line.

Yeah, the US backed different groups that helped to get rid of the violence at that time. But then that group turned to terrorism later. The Taliban is an example of that.

Get rid of violence? The South Vietnamese "President" was a full-blown dictator just like Saddam Hussein. We did a lot of bad stuff. We were only trying to advance our own interests instead of advancing peace.

[Chris7He]

Most of that list is true you know. Some of it is kind of an abstract connection though, backing people that may have ended up doing horrible things doesn't make us the terrorists, and taking it so far as to say we killed them is out of line.

Yeah, the US backed different groups that helped to get rid of the violence at that time. But then that group turned to terrorism later. The Taliban is an example of that.

Transalation: "Yeah, the US backed different groups that helped to further their goals at that time. But then that group turned on them later. The Taliban is an example of that."

The interest groups mentioned were all terrorists. I mean what the hell were we thinking? We gave them CIA training.

[Chris7He]

We've done some pretty bad things, but terrorism= creating power by causing fear. I guess you are saying that the government is causing fear by talking about terrorist threats, but the threat truly exists - people are actually dying. Ik your parents probably told you that "Bush sux!" or something (im actually a democrat) but actually, he IS trying to help our country, he IS pretty smart (thats why he was voted president) as were ALL of our past presidents.

1. Yes, I'm a Democrat/Communist. I don't care if either wins.

2. I'm saying the government has done countless terrorist acts by spreading fear. I think that Ronald Reagan (though dead), Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush (and his father) should be tried for terrorist acts in an international court.

3. My parents WERE CONSERVATIVE. They were LEGAL IMMIGRANTS (that put my mom in a lot of debt). Despite Bush's suppression of the poor, they stood by him until 2006.

4. I believe that Bush IS doing his BEST (for a complete idiot), but he has allowed endless violations of the Geneva Convention and the First Amendment rights through the unauthorized NSA monitoring.

5. Just because someone is popular and elected doesn't mean he's a good person. Look at Hitler and Ahmadinejad (sorry if I butchered his name).

[Chris7He]

he IS pretty smart

I and most of the world are willing to challenge that...

He's not retarded, but I think we could have done better.

Thats what im saying, you cant be a COMPLETE retard, and be the president. I dont think hes a good president, but a lot of things seem different based on media. (like Bowling for Columbine)

AKA HITLER

[Chris7He]

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Oh... that explains it.

I've watched Bowling for Columbine and it opened me up to new things.

LMFAO!! Oh boy, Michael Moore is a totally credible source. I take it back. You're not an idiot - you're a moron.

Yes, you win this thread

Oh yes, criticize the messenger and not the message. That's what the conservatives have been doing for the past century. We never did that to you guys unless your leaders were being HYPOCRITICAL.

[Snorri1234]

The cost of a Tylenol is about $30 in a hospital. Why? Because since insurance pays for it NOT the patient, the hospital can charge whatever they want! If we had grocery insurance everyone would be buying steak and lobster for dinner, makes sense to me.

The fact that hospitals overcharge shit is indeed a worry, but it is a different worry. The fault is not with the patients in this case, but with the companies and the hospital who overcharge. I would think that doing something about it should involve looking at the hospitals instead of the patients.
(I'm lightly amused by your claim that somehow patients don't pay for it. Who do you think the insurance companies take the money from?)

Also, my whole point is that you can't compare groceries with healthcare. Ofcourse it makes sense that grocery insurance would mean we'd buy steak for dinner everyday, but you can't compare it with healthcare. Contrary to your beliefs, people don't like going to the doctor. If you're not sick, why the f*ck would you go to a doctor or get expensive medicine? People will still try to be as low of a burden on healthcare as they can, simply because they don't want to go to a doctor. They would only try to get the best possible care they can get when they're actually sick. I fail to see how that is something bad.

[Chris7He]

The cost of a Tylenol is about $30 in a hospital. Why? Because since insurance pays for it NOT the patient, the hospital can charge whatever they want! If we had grocery insurance everyone would be buying steak and lobster for dinner, makes sense to me.

The fact that hospitals overcharge shit is indeed a worry, but it is a different worry. The fault is not with the patients in this case, but with the companies and the hospital who overcharge. I would think that doing something about it should involve looking at the hospitals instead of the patients.
(I'm lightly amused by your claim that somehow patients don't pay for it. Who do you think the insurance companies take the money from?)

Also, my whole point is that you can't compare groceries with healthcare. Ofcourse it makes sense that grocery insurance would mean we'd buy steak for dinner everyday, but you can't compare it with healthcare. Contrary to your beliefs, people don't like going to the doctor. If you're not sick, why the f*ck would you go to a doctor or get expensive medicine? People will still try to be as low of a burden on healthcare as they can, simply because they don't want to go to a doctor. They would only try to get the best possible care they can get when they're actually sick. I fail to see how that is something bad.

Yes... just wait till the prostate cancer forces castration or until the breast cancer is about to rip the life away from you. Universal healthcare and restrictions on lawsuits will be the solution. Lawyers are destroying our healthcare system with useless lawsuits.

[Chris7He]

Can't you just state your arguments (at least the main points)? Look where YouTube's gotten Ron Paul and 9/11.

Oh I get it, if it's on youtube then it's automatically wrong. Don't try linking me in with the Ron Paul fruitcakes. If you've got some pearl of wisdom that shows that Michael Moore hasn't been lying in his films then show it.

A video of the American Civil War on youtube.

I guess the whole American Civil War never actually took place. After all there's a video of it on youtube. Please think about the content of what's being discussed instead of proposing some stupid straw man argument.

Of course, there's a video about two guys who get a genie. I guess that's true.

[Chris7He]

It's our governments' fault for causing the deaths of thousands of innocents. Reagan virtually created terrorists by funding Osama and giving him CIA training. Reagan killed three thousand people and don't forget our backing of Saddam Hussein against Iran. Our government is has created breeding grounds for terrorism by funding them and fueling their energy. I have been freed from the blindfold around us. Have you?

You're an idiot

AMEN!

Talk about a good argument. You absolutely stumped me there.

OMG it's on youtube so it can't be true!! There's hundreds of videos of the Revolutionary War, WWII, and other conflicts. They couldn't possibly have taken place because they're on youtube. There is no such place as earth because there's a video of it on youtube!!

Their are plenty of videos about how the Jews killed themselves in the Holocaust and bullshit like that. You believe in those, too? Of course, you just can't find the time to watch 20/20 on channel 12 in REAL LIFE.

[Snorri1234]

Yes... just wait till the prostate cancer forces castration or until the breast cancer is about to rip the life away from you. Universal healthcare and restrictions on lawsuits will be the solution. Lawyers are destroying our healthcare system with useless lawsuits.

Yeah the problem with your current system is that uninsured people are still a huge burden on the system since they let their diseases worsen and then get very expensive treatment from the hospital. Those treatments are paid for by the insured people, so it's kinda stupid to think universal healthcare will somehow cost more.

Edit: Typo that kinda reversed my point.

[Chris7He]

Yes... just wait till the prostate cancer forces castration or until the breast cancer is about to rip the life away from you. Universal healthcare and restrictions on lawsuits will be the solution. Lawyers are destroying our healthcare system with useless lawsuits.

Yeah the problem with your current system is that uninsured people are still a huge burden on the system since they let their diseases worsen and then get very expensive treatment from the hospital. Those treatments are paid for by the insured people, so it's kinda stupid to think universal healthcare will somehow cost less.

That's just cause us stupid Americans don't take care of ourselves and let ourselves become fat, ugly, and disgusting. Many European countries and Canada have universal healthcare. Why not us? They also have better quality and cost of living.

[Chris7He]

I change my mind about gun control. We should allow the free trade and travel of guns, but change the atittude of the media. Gun control actually INCREASES violence. I also think prostitution should be legalized.