Jaseleo, Dui [cleared but noted]

[Furio]

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Subject line: Jaseleo Dui


These are suspected Secret Alliance (delete the one they are not)

Suspect users: Jaseleo Dui

Game number: http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1288603

Comments: Jaseleo and Dui play many games together, and one of the two of them usually wins. The win rate is well above 80% for the last 25 games. They split their wins fairly evenly, so it wasn't obvious until I was involved in several games where one of them would always avoid attacking, except superficially, the other. In this way, he (they) is stripping points from the other 4 players. These are FoW games, with escalating cards, so their collusion is particularly effective in the later stages of the game. If I'm wrong, I apologize, but it looks pretty clear to me.


Furio



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[Battle-Rage]

You aren't in that game, Furio.

Why did you choose one where you were not part of it, if its happened so many times?

[Furio]

You aren't in that game, Furio.

Why did you choose one where you were not part of it, if its happened so many times?

Okay - 1288592, if you require a game that I was in.

I know Jaseleo is your doubles partner from time to time, and it may just be a case where he and Dui are excellent players who win a lot of games. But, please, if you don't have anything intelligent to add to this issue, just forgo responding. It's easier for me, since I can then look at my post and see that this kind of careful collusion goes absolutely overlooked at the CC.

I believe that this pattern of abuse extends over dozens of games. Is it only abuse if it happens to me? The underlying statistics certainly support this claim, and I'd like a moderator to look at a group of games, not just one in particular.

Both playernames in question are probably depending on people, like you, looking at one or two games in isolation.

It doesn't really matter, though, since apparently this kind of thing doesn't get investigated.

Like I said earlier, I hope I'm wrong and, if so, then I'm sorry I brought it up. But it seems clear enough that someone should take a look at it.

[xxtig12683xx]

you are most deff. wrong, i play with jas daily, and he does not have the mentality of a cheater. He does not care about his rank or points on this site, and plays it for his enjoyment. That being said it makes no sense for him to cheat, for what does he have to gain, if he does not care? Jas is just a damn good player and enjoys playing many games on this site, not cheating.

-tig

[codeblue1018]

Jase has been around a very long time. HE is not a multi, affiliated or has anything to do with people that believe in multi's. Multi's are for pathetic people who have no concept or ability to play this game themselves.

I play with Jase on a regular basis and he has enough skills and integrity to not jeopardize himself or this site for the sake of gaining MINIMAL points. So before you post garbage, have a little more proof instead of smearing another players name.

[The1exile]

While I can't say with 100% certainty like some of the above are trying to o, I do think you're barking up the wrong tree here.

[jaseleo]

Furio

1.Your actions for losing games are pathetic

2. In all games throughout the log you will more than likely see that i attack dui more than anyone else as he is the better player and the biggest threat to a victory for me.

3. if you are stupid enough not to notice that for every 5 fog games i start i win 3 and lose 2...where is the logic you ask?? well if i lose 2 games i lose approx 25-60 points but win 3 gain 150-200 points.

4. battle rage is not one of my doubles partners

5. As tig has pointed out i play for the enjoyment of the site...if i wanted to be a multi or rise to the top of the board i would do what all the rest do play triples with same ranks or above i have no need to manipulate the point sytem.

6. GFY

[Furio]

Jase has been around a very long time. HE is not a multi, affiliated or has anything to do with people that believe in multi's. Multi's are for pathetic people who have no concept or ability to play this game themselves.

I play with Jase on a regular basis and he has enough skills and integrity to not jeopardize himself or this site for the sake of gaining MINIMAL points. So before you post garbage, have a little more proof instead of smearing another players name.

That's good to hear. Hopefully, a moderator will take a look at this and address the statistical oddity I'm referring to.

[Furio]

Furio

1.Your actions for losing games are pathetic

2. In all games throughout the log you will more than likely see that i attack dui more than anyone else as he is the better player and the biggest threat to a victory for me.

3. if you are stupid enough not to notice that for every 5 fog games i start i win 3 and lose 2...where is the logic you ask?? well if i lose 2 games i lose approx 25-60 points but win 3 gain 150-200 points.

4. battle rage is not one of my doubles partners

5. As tig has pointed out i play for the enjoyment of the site...if i wanted to be a multi or rise to the top of the board i would do what all the rest do play triples with same ranks or above i have no need to manipulate the point sytem.

6. GFY

As far as you and Battle_Rage not being doubles partners, that's just not true.

I wish there was a way I could have a moderator look at your games without my having had to post in this public forum, in case I'm wrong about it, but there isn't.

As far as you saying "GFY" to me, well, that's just unnecessary. I'm sure you agree that someone should be able to raise a concern without getting flamed. I tried to be as diplomatic as I could, so you should try to be polite too.

[jaseleo]

your calling me a cheat so yes GFY

[UnderSeage]

Jase is not a cheater. I know him through tig, and Jase would not make secret alliances. In my experience, Jase plays a great game and he wouldn't need an alliance to win. These accusations are false and I'm positive they will be thrown out.

[Furio]

your calling me a cheat so yes GFY

Like I said before, if I'm wrong, then I apologize.

By the way, you've won 25 of the 80 (<30%) singles FOW games you've played in, not 60%. I would never have made this post if that were the case.

That win rate increases dramatically when Dui is in the game, and if you don't win then he usually does. I'm the first to admit that this is probably an anomaly, but I just thought a moderator should look at that.

[jaseleo]

im still searching to find a game where Battle-Rage has been my doubles partner any help??

[Furio]

im still searching to find a game where Battle-Rage has been my doubles partner any help??

1029360, for starts.

Look, I'm done with this. I'm sorry I opened a can of worms. It's not worth it.

If you aren't cheating then all I've done is smear you for no good reason. If you are, then all I've done is get flamed. It's really not a good system for reporting problems, and I won't waste any more of my life on it.

Good luck, Jaseleo.

[jaseleo]

I assure you im not a multi or a secret alliance you like dui joined a lot of my games.

good luck to you as well

[The1exile]

Dude, you're accusing the guy who, out of more than 160,000 users, I think has the 3rd most positive feedback (something like that). This is not the best example of how well or otherwise the cheating and abuse forum works.

Also, rage and jas have been dubs partners in 3games... jas has played nearly 4K games.

However, if you really want to do it privately you can - there's a department in eticket for it. http://www.conquerclub.com/eticket/index.php

[jaseleo]

Thanks for the support all during this sad time

[Dui]

BMF LOL

Furio... stfu, you have not the faintest clue. In 80% of our games, either I or Jaseleo win? f*ck me, I wish you we're right. Alas, you're not, so go play with your penis.

[rayray]

Hope to see this cleared up real quick. Its sad to see such class player wrongly accused.

[ENILON]

pathetic reaction! All the guy did was ask for someone to investigate. No need for friends and accused to go berserk!!

[king achilles]

That win rate increases dramatically when Dui is in the game, and if you don't win then he usually does. I'm the first to admit that this is probably an anomaly, but I just thought a moderator should look at that.

But they do attack each other as like any other players do. Their stats in winning in almost all the standard games they have played together is quite a coincidence. I can say that they are cleared. However, another report in future games from this point on will still be subjected to another investigation so this case is still noted.

[jaseleo]

king achilles

Cleared but noted is this some kind of joke??

there is nothing in a single game that we have played in where one has helped the other if you look at the majority of the gameplay that neither has bent over and took it from the rear to let the other player win

more times than often we block each other to stop the other winning

i havent even looked after this guys account he is in another country and you will see that his games have never been played from my ip address


GUILTY TILL PROVEN INNOCENT EH!!!

unreal

[king achilles]

jaseleo, I have already cleared you from the case. Multi is no longer the issue. I only took note of the fact that you and Dui won a lot of games when you two play together. I'm not telling you to throw any games when you are with any particular player for that matter, perhaps you and Dui are great players even, I just noted what I quoted.

[jpcloet]

I only took note of the fact that you and Dui won a lot of games when you two play together.

This should be on the LOD recruiting invite!

Play and win with Jase!