How many Flags are flying for vets

[Guiscard]

et tu, xtratabasco?

I thought you would defend the rights of Nations to idependance and honour the spirit of Patriotism.

so you do or do not like being spat on ie. Downing Street Memos

He's French...

[Napoleon Ier]

et tu, xtratabasco?

I thought you would defend the rights of Nations to idependance and honour the spirit of Patriotism.

so you do or do not like being spat on ie. Downing Street Memos

I admired America's courage in going in to remove a bloodthirsty dictator and was appaled at the cowardly spineless reactions of our president which I deemed ungrateful, agreeing with the headline "how dare they forget?", though I now realise that the war was started for the wrong motives.

[xtratabasco]

et tu, xtratabasco?

I thought you would defend the rights of Nations to idependance and honour the spirit of Patriotism.

so you do or do not like being spat on ie. Downing Street Memos

He's French...

Yes I knew that, but...
wasnt he speaking for the "UK" about being proud of waving the flag?

Is Great Britan apart of the UK? and if it is why would he be proud after the DSM

and if its not part of the UK, then my bad,

and France aint part of the UK, so why was he talking about the UK.





or maybe I need more sleep....

[Guiscard]

et tu, xtratabasco?

I thought you would defend the rights of Nations to idependance and honour the spirit of Patriotism.

so you do or do not like being spat on ie. Downing Street Memos

He's French...

Yes I knew that, but...
wasnt he speaking for the "UK" about being proud of waving the flag?

Is Great Britan apart of the UK? and if it is why would he be proud after the DSM

and if its not part of the UK, then my bad,

and France aint part of the UK, so why was he talking about the UK.





or maybe I need more sleep....

He was essentially saying that he cannot be patriotic and nationalistic in continental Europe because of the EU and his government. He wasn't saying anything about the UK, or Great Britain (which, for your information, is England, Scotland and Wales - the UK also includes Northern Ireland).

And yes, you must be tired... The downing street memo comment was cryptic and ridiculous.

[Snorri1234]

Sad that you all missed this.

or is the UK not considered part of Great Britan when it comes to that?

...

Oh guiscard did.

[Napoleon Ier]

I reffered to continental Europe, xtra.

I agree with you, the DSMs were shocking.

I simply outlined how display of patriotism were shunned in Europe often (except when the PC hordes spew their black blanc beur happy-happy-go-lucky pinko leftist multi-culturalism at the occasion of the victory of the racailles Algerian err french fussball team).

But then if youve had a hard day at work, I understand

A full time job and trying to dismantle the US government isnt easy to do on a daily basis

[Snorri1234]

Also, xtra, you seem to miss the point of remembrance day in your first post. It's not about supporting the war or government. It's about remembering the soldiers and civilians who have given their lives in wars. Whether or not the war was justified is not important.



Your poll is biased.

[Balsiefen]

Well, up to Nov 11th the entire UK was covered in people wearing poppies but no flags. Here its more about preventing a world war happening again rather than anything else.

well the Downing Streets Memo sure blows that away.

or is the UK not considered part of Great Britan when it comes to that?

I never said it worked did I?

Anyway GB and UK are pretty much the same thing anyway.

[xtratabasco]

Also, xtra, you seem to miss the point of remembrance day in your first post. It's not about supporting the war or government. It's about remembering the soldiers and civilians who have given their lives in wars. Whether or not the war was justified is not important.



Your poll is biased.

Yes, here here for the SS men who served.

[Snorri1234]

Also, xtra, you seem to miss the point of remembrance day in your first post. It's not about supporting the war or government. It's about remembering the soldiers and civilians who have given their lives in wars. Whether or not the war was justified is not important.



Your poll is biased.

Yes, here here for the SS men who served.

Yes indeed. Their deaths are not something to cheer about. They thought they did it for good reason, or more likely because they were forced into the army and fight. (Well, SS'ers probably not.)

By the way, are you saying that you're not remembering the soldiers who have died in Vietnam? Because that sure as hell wasn't a very justified war.

[xtratabasco]

Im saying that the only troops I support are the ones who are defending our country, Freedom and Liberty, and that hasnt happened since George Washingtons days.

I dont support this governments use of our military in the 160+ countries around the world raping and killing them.

[Snorri1234]

Im saying that the only troops I support are the ones who are defending our country, Freedom and Liberty, and that hasnt happened since George Washingtons days.

I dont support this governments use of our military in the 160+ countries around the world raping and killing them.

Me neither. Doesn't mean I don't think the soldiers who died in those wars deserve to be remembered.

[xtratabasco]

Im saying that the only troops I support are the ones who are defending our country, Freedom and Liberty, and that hasnt happened since George Washingtons days.

I dont support this governments use of our military in the 160+ countries around the world raping and killing them.

Me neither. Doesn't mean I don't think the soldiers who died in those wars deserve to be remembered.

well your in the small minority because most people like you talk a good talk one day a year, but dont put up any cash or bother to call Congress to help vets out, thats why 1 in 4 of the homeless are vets and some hurt vets live in poverty.

and thats why the VA is in complete meltdown mode, becuase nobody gives a damn.

[got tonkaed]

I think one of the more interesting things about Veterans Day is it kinda encapsulates a greater mentality of Americans toward social justice.

Now before this gets out of hand, let me qualify everything. I dont think most people are hateful dishonest people, i think a lot of people would geniuninly like to feel like they were honoring those who have served their country. I also dont think people willingly avoid doing some of the things that could be done, rather people do not necessarily go the extra mile. Id also like to claim im not a saint ahead of time, just really really close to one.

I think we pay a lot of lipservice to this whole idea of supporting our troops. A lot of people have signs, wave a flag, or expect other people to feel patriotic around this time of year. I do think there are a lot of reasons to do some of those things, i dont think we are always just villains, even though there are defintently things i dont agree with, and things i wish we hadnt done. But outside of those who have people in the service, or maybe will be in the service somewhere down the line, i dont know that many of us are really supporting our troops. Its easy to say things like that, that we have to make sure we are doing our best for the people who serve our nation. A lot of things get politicized to make it seem like we are doing our part.

Then you hear all these stories about how many Vets are homeless, or many of them cant get the necessary treatment they need to get over some of the things they have seen and done in the course of service. You hear about how relatively little is done for the soilders once they come home, as opposed to how much is done to trumpet up the spirit of the nation to send them over there, wherever that happens to be.

I think this kinda reflects, our mentality as a whole, especially toward charity and aid to those who need it. Americans talk all the time about how much we give and about the spirit of the American people. Yet per capita we give the least amongst all the developed nations, and are far from making our promises time and time again. We say and promise things as a people, because we feel like that is true support. So many of our vets are sent over to do things under the pretense that America is some kind of broker of universal truths like freedom. Yet when it comes down to some of the nuts and bolts of improving the human condition, America does very little, if anything at all.

If we really wanted to take care of our vets and remember them, none of them would die homeless without some of the medication they need to help gain touch back with reality after some of the scars they gained both inside and out in battle. War seems to be a pretty ugly thing, and we dont really prepare for the effects of it, both on nations and people. If we really wanted to honor the lives of all those who fought under the hopes they were doing something to make the world better, we could go along way by doing more to make the world they died in a better place.

(i know, im not reading all that either...namby pamby liberal blah blah blah).

[Snorri1234]

Im saying that the only troops I support are the ones who are defending our country, Freedom and Liberty, and that hasnt happened since George Washingtons days.

I dont support this governments use of our military in the 160+ countries around the world raping and killing them.

Me neither. Doesn't mean I don't think the soldiers who died in those wars deserve to be remembered.

well your in the small minority because most people like you talk a good talk one day a year, but dont put up any cash or bother to call Congress to help vets out, thats why 1 in 4 of the homeless are vets and some hurt vets live in poverty.

and thats why the VA is in complete meltdown mode, becuase nobody gives a damn.

Well I don't live in the USA, I live in the Netherlands. Which doesn't have a lot of veterans basically because it doesn't have a lot of wars.
But I agree, veterans should be helped out if what you're saying is true. I am firmly of the believe that any person who has dedicated his life to serving his country should get a welfare program if they are unable to get a job due to physical or mental problems.

[Iz Man]

(i know, im not reading all that either...namby pamby liberal blah blah blah).

[Guiscard]

(i know, im not reading all that either...namby pamby liberal blah blah blah).

I'd have thought you'd have agreed with the general argument Iz... People pay lipservice to the Vets but we should do more to truly honour them through helping them, charity, medication etc....

No?

[Nobunaga]

... I seriously doubt people are failing to display flags for any protest against wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc...

... I could be wrong, but when I think of the kind of people who display flags on such occasions, not many would do such a thing.

...

[Frigidus]

Every single holiday that comes up people complain about it. Thanksgiving? We murdered Indians. Christmas? Secular my ass. 4th of July? Screw America. Flag day? Nationalism at it's finest.

Seriously, can we just take politics out of holidays? I guess some people are just against family get-togethers and having a good time.

[Nobunaga]

Every single holiday that comes up people complain about it. Thanksgiving? We murdered Indians. Christmas? Secular my ass. 4th of July? Screw America. Flag day? Nationalism at it's finest.

Seriously, can we just take politics out of holidays? I guess some people are just against family get-togethers and having a good time.

... Well said.

...

[Anarkistsdream]

Every single holiday that comes up people complain about it. Thanksgiving? We murdered Indians. Christmas? Secular my ass. 4th of July? Screw America. Flag day? Nationalism at it's finest.

Seriously, can we just take politics out of holidays? I guess some people are just against family get-togethers and having a good time.

DAAAAMN

You are right, bro... Can I quote you on that? I write for a paper, and would like to use that.

[Frigidus]

Every single holiday that comes up people complain about it. Thanksgiving? We murdered Indians. Christmas? Secular my ass. 4th of July? Screw America. Flag day? Nationalism at it's finest.

Seriously, can we just take politics out of holidays? I guess some people are just against family get-togethers and having a good time.

DAAAAMN

You are right, bro... Can I quote you on that? I write for a paper, and would like to use that.

Sure, I'd be honored honestly.

[reverend_kyle]

Veterans day and even thanksgiving are lame holidays.

[strike wolf]

Im saying that the only troops I support are the ones who are defending our country, Freedom and Liberty, and that hasnt happened since George Washingtons days.

I dont support this governments use of our military in the 160+ countries around the world raping and killing them.

So are you saying that we shouldn't have joined WWII and helped stop Hitler?

[xtratabasco]

Im saying that the only troops I support are the ones who are defending our country, Freedom and Liberty, and that hasnt happened since George Washingtons days.

I dont support this governments use of our military in the 160+ countries around the world raping and killing them.

So are you saying that we shouldn't have joined WWII and helped stop Hitler?

bush's grandpa helped Hitler, and was found guilty of violating the law by helping the enemy during wartime, thus he should have been hung.

this and the fact that now it has come out that Pearl Harbor was NOT a surprise attack, it was used to GET the American people into the war when they didnt want to be in it.


to answer your question................no, the bankers started it, they can stop it....and they did


now go read a real History Book



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