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Postby bspride on Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:07 pm

O.K. last year we were in Chemistry talking about repulsion between like particles i.e. electron(negative) repeling other electrons. So this spurred my friend to ask if electrons repel and if they are on the outside of the nuclues and everything is made of atoms would we ever touch anything? or is what we feel just actually the pressure we feel of the atoms repeling? Thought this was a good question to ask.
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Postby hecter on Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:10 pm

Technically, no... Atoms don't actually touch, but they come as close to it as anything possibly can.
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Postby bspride on Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:12 pm

thats what we finally settled on...but its still wierd.
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Postby Simonov on Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:12 pm

bspride wrote:O.K. last year we were in Chemistry talking about repulsion between like particles i.e. electron(negative) repeling other electrons. So this spurred my friend to ask if electrons repel and if they are on the outside of the nuclues and everything is made of atoms would we ever touch anything? or is what we feel just actually the pressure we feel of the atoms repeling? Thought this was a good question to ask.

interesting observation. if u look at atoms and intermolecular contacts then probably no . but if u think of intramolecular bonds when 2 electron clouds of atoms overlap then probably yes. also in all chemical and nuclear reactions they most certainly "touch". you get close to matter/energy boundry with this questions - do energies touch? weird definitely.

but i think touch term is used only for macroscopic events so things touch...
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Postby randomjerk77027 on Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:13 pm

weird...
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Postby hecter on Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:14 pm

bspride wrote:thats what we finally settled on...but its still wierd.

Not really. It would be like pushing two magnets together with the sides that repel. Two really fucking strong magnets. An atom is surrounded by electrons. Electrons repel each other.
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Postby hecter on Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:15 pm

Actually, that's only in nature that that applies. I hope you know that. In something like nuclear physics, it could very well change...
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Postby bspride on Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:18 pm

hecter wrote:Actually, that's only in nature that that applies. I hope you know that. In something like nuclear physics, it could very well change...

Yes but most of the public doesnt dwell in nuclear physics.
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Postby The1exile on Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:30 pm

It wasn't me, I never touched him. It was my electrons, I swear!
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Postby unriggable on Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:18 pm

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Postby DaGip on Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:27 pm

Things do not touch. Electomagnetic Force keeps things from touching.
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Postby unriggable on Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:30 pm

DaGip wrote:Things do not touch. Electomagnetic Force keeps things from touching.


True - even neutrons, which have no electric force behind them, can only be condensed so much. (Neutron star)
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Postby diddle on Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:30 pm

Interesting.
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Postby DaGip on Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:33 pm

The best way to explain this, is to take two magnets and try to push similarly charged sides together (that is positive to positive, or negative to negative)...what happens? They repel eachother.

The same thing happens with atoms. Each atom is surounded by a cloud of electrons...electons have negative charges, so atoms will repel other atoms. That is they do not touch, but Electromagnetic Force keeps them separate.
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Postby fireedud on Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:37 pm

Does this mean that the only two things that actually touch are neutrons and protons?
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Postby DaGip on Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:41 pm

fireedud wrote:Does this mean that the only two things that actually touch are neutrons and protons?


I believe that has something to do with the StrongNuclearForce.

But does that mean that protons and neutrons touch?
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Postby DaGip on Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:47 pm

DaGip wrote:
fireedud wrote:Does this mean that the only two things that actually touch are neutrons and protons?


I believe that has something to do with the StrongNuclearForce.

But does that mean that protons and neutrons touch?


http://aether.lbl.gov/elements/stellar/ ... trong.html
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Postby Minister Masket on Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:15 pm

Ah, my subject a la forte.

Yes, t'is true. Every time you sit on a chair, you are not touching it, but are actually hovering above it due to electromagnetic force keeping a gap open between your atoms and the chair's. Technically, you never touch anything in your entire life.
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Postby unriggable on Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:31 pm

Minister Masket wrote:Ah, my subject a la forte.

Yes, t'is true. Every time you sit on a chair, you are not touching it, but are actually hovering above it due to electromagnetic force keeping a gap open between your atoms and the chair's. Technically, you never touch anything in your entire life.


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Postby NESconqueror on Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:03 pm

I would say that molecules will touch, but once the pressure is off, the object gets repelled off.
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Postby Syzygy on Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:59 pm

Nuclear fusion. The nuclei of atoms fuse together.
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Postby suggs on Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:01 pm

The answer is yes.
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Postby DaGip on Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:17 pm

unriggable wrote:
Minister Masket wrote:Ah, my subject a la forte.

Yes, t'is true. Every time you sit on a chair, you are not touching it, but are actually hovering above it due to electromagnetic force keeping a gap open between your atoms and the chair's. Technically, you never touch anything in your entire life.


Not even yourself.


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Postby Jehan on Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:22 pm

Syzygy wrote:Nuclear fusion. The nuclei of atoms fuse together.

yeah but even then, are the neutrons and protons in the nucleus touching? there must be a minimum energy that they have, given they are confined in such a small space i wouldn't be sure they were actually touching.
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Postby Syzygy on Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:30 pm

Jehan wrote:
Syzygy wrote:Nuclear fusion. The nuclei of atoms fuse together.

yeah but even then, are the neutrons and protons in the nucleus touching? there must be a minimum energy that they have, given they are confined in such a small space i wouldn't be sure they were actually touching.


They touch - it's the reason so much energy is required to initiate a fusion reaction.

Edit: I'll find a source to back this up.
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