Filosofical Question - Before Life

[Genghis Khant]

Ok, atoms give you the body, where does soul come from?

Tamla Motown, baby. Ain't that sweet?

[MR. Nate]

One of questions that I can't answer philosophically, but have some understanding Theologically. Options:

I. Souls are eternally existent, both into the past and the future.

II. Souls are at some point in time created.
. . A. God created souls some time in the distant past, and they are semi-conscious/ asleep until placed into bodies.
. . B. God creates the soul
. . . . 1. At the time of conception
. . . . 2. Shortly after conception

Personally, I adhere to II, B, 2, but I'm not positive about that.
In any case, prior to its creation, a soul would not exist, while most people who believe in souls believe they survive death, so pre-birth does not equal death. (unless you believe in reincarnation)

[Guiscard]

One of questions that I can't answer philosophically, but have some understanding Theologically. Options:

I. Souls are eternally existent, both into the past and the future.

II. Souls are at some point in time created.
. . A. God created souls some time in the distant past, and they are semi-conscious/ asleep until placed into bodies.
. . B. God creates the soul
. . . . 1. At the time of conception
. . . . 2. Shortly after conception

Personally, I adhere to II, B, 2, but I'm not positive about that.
In any case, prior to its creation, a soul would not exist, while most people who believe in souls believe they survive death, so pre-birth does not equal death. (unless you believe in reincarnation)

You missed III. Non-existent...

[jiminski]

A light switch is either set to on or off.*

Before the factory made the light-switch...it was set to neither.



*i suppose if you are careful you can select the purgatory setting.. but we'll ignore that for the purposes of the metaphor.

[MR. Nate]

You missed III. Non-existent...

Yeah, I guess if you don't believe in a soul, that would change some things . . . .

[Minister Masket]

You simply did not exist. you were nothing. You were the lack of everything. Then your parents had sex, sperm traveled into the uterus, combined with an egg, the cells then split apart and grew into a larger entity through a process I believe is mitosis. Then you could take 2 approaches. Either you began to exist when you first became conscious, or when the egg and sperm combined. You proceeded to grow in your mothers womb, or a test tube, and grew up into the idiot you are today.

You plonker. If I wanted an answer as tedious and dreary as this, I would have asked my Science teacher. Get an imagination, quick!

[Minister Masket]

I'm an idiot.

Good to know, I'll bear that in mind.

[Minister Masket]

The word soul is an outdated word. What was recognized as the 'soul' hundreds, if not thousands, of years ago is now recognized as consciousness. It's simpleminded superstition; same as ancient astronomers giving the stars human human attributes to better define what we do not understand.

Just because you're capable of identifying suffering, feeling content, choosing things you like/dislike and bitching about it in terms we understand does not mean you have an 'immortal ghost' that lives inside you.

So I submit to you that this is an inherently flawed conundrum, to which there can possibly be no answer that would satisfy the question. It's all a matter of perspective.

It's quite scary when I realise that I can provoke answers like this from just my random thinking. Wonderfully put here Kalish.

Also, you're trying to mix science and religion here, thus muddying the waters to a point that no possible conclusion can be drawn.

Science and Religion. Why just have one, when you can have them both?
If you have two sides to a story, you put them together to get the truth.

[Minister Masket]

A light switch is either set to on or off.*

Before the factory made the light-switch...it was set to neither.

A balance between life and death? Interesting....

[Snorri1234]

You missed III. Non-existent...

Yeah, I guess if you don't believe in a soul, that would change some things . . . .

It would?

[The Weird One]

I'm an idiot.

So am I, but you don't here me complaining.

[Syzygy]

Also, you're trying to mix science and religion here, thus muddying the waters to a point that no possible conclusion can be drawn.

Science and Religion. Why just have one, when you can have them both?
If you have two sides to a story, you put them together to get the truth.

Because science and religion disagree with each other...

[Minister Masket]

Also, you're trying to mix science and religion here, thus muddying the waters to a point that no possible conclusion can be drawn.

Science and Religion. Why just have one, when you can have them both?
If you have two sides to a story, you put them together to get the truth.

Because science and religion disagree with each other...

Not necessarily. See my "Christiovolution" theory.

[Syzygy]

Also, you're trying to mix science and religion here, thus muddying the waters to a point that no possible conclusion can be drawn.

Science and Religion. Why just have one, when you can have them both?
If you have two sides to a story, you put them together to get the truth.

Because science and religion disagree with each other...

Not necessarily. See my "Christiovolution" theory.

Link, so I can point out the flaws.

[Minister Masket]

Here you go, took a while to find:

I would like to take this time to introduce my concept of "Christiovolution" - the combination of Christianity and Evolution.
Just like Judaism combined with Jesus to become Christianity, and Cathlicism combined with Martin-Luthur to become Protestantism.
Who's to say God did not set the Big Bang in motion? And evolution?
I believe in God, not the Bible. Too many people look to the Bible instead of God nowadays. Unfortuantly, the book has been changed and corrupted beyond regognition in history. For example: King James changed it so that most parts said good things about him! Lousy git.
Remember: Christiovolution!

WARNING: the spellings of certain religions in this post are of my own creation. Purely for my own amusment.

[Syzygy]

But, you haven't given us evidence that Christiovolution is the way.

(Actually I know one or two christians who do actually believe that evolution was set in motion by god.)

[b.k. barunt]

The word soul is an outdated word. What was recognized as the 'soul' hundreds, if not thousands, of years ago is now recognized as consciousness. It's simpleminded superstition; same as ancient astronomers giving the stars human human attributes to better define what we do not understand.

Just because you're capable of identifying suffering, feeling content, choosing things you like/dislike and bitching about it in terms we understand does not mean you have an 'immortal ghost' that lives inside you.

So I submit to you that this is an inherently flawed conundrum, to which there can possibly be no answer that would satisfy the question. It's all a matter of perspective.

Also, you're trying to mix science and religion here, thus muddying the waters to a point that no possible conclusion can be drawn.

I beg to differ. Freud explained the soul with science in the same way the disciples of Christ explained it with their faith over 2 thousand years ago. Freud called it the "ego", which is the self, your identity, and the New Testament uses the greek word "psuche" (self) for soul. Actually the immortal ghost is the spirit, or "super ego". So though you may have a different viewpoint yourself, it would not be accurate to call the concept of the spirit and soul outdated, or unscientific.

[MeDeFe]

Except that Freud did a lot of guesswork and very little science.

[autoload]

I'm an idiot.

So am I, but you don't here me complaining.

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

[Snorri1234]

Here you go, took a while to find:

I would like to take this time to introduce my concept of "Christiovolution" - the combination of Christianity and Evolution.
Just like Judaism combined with Jesus to become Christianity, and Cathlicism combined with Martin-Luthur to become Protestantism.
Who's to say God did not set the Big Bang in motion? And evolution?
I believe in God, not the Bible. Too many people look to the Bible instead of God nowadays. Unfortuantly, the book has been changed and corrupted beyond regognition in history. For example: King James changed it so that most parts said good things about him! Lousy git.
Remember: Christiovolution!

WARNING: the spellings of certain religions in this post are of my own creation. Purely for my own amusment.

Dude that isn't a new concept. Theistic evolution is a widely accepted view by many people.

[muy_thaiguy]

Here you go, took a while to find:

I would like to take this time to introduce my concept of "Christiovolution" - the combination of Christianity and Evolution.
Just like Judaism combined with Jesus to become Christianity, and Cathlicism combined with Martin-Luthur to become Protestantism.
Who's to say God did not set the Big Bang in motion? And evolution?
I believe in God, not the Bible. Too many people look to the Bible instead of God nowadays. Unfortuantly, the book has been changed and corrupted beyond regognition in history. For example: King James changed it so that most parts said good things about him! Lousy git.
Remember: Christiovolution!

WARNING: the spellings of certain religions in this post are of my own creation. Purely for my own amusment.

Dude that isn't a new concept. Theistic evolution is a widely accepted view by many people.

Like OnlyAmbrose.

[b.k. barunt]

Reminds me of the time that i took 5 hits of Orange Sunshine, and thought that i had invented the railroad.


Honibaz

[Minister Masket]

:lol:

But, you haven't given us evidence that Christiovolution is the way.

(Actually I know one or two christians who do actually believe that evolution was set in motion by god.)

Did they call it "Christiovolution"?
I think NOT!

And whether it is "the way" or not is a matter for you to decide.
As for me, I will continue to search for immortality!

BTW: Do watch "The Fountain" sometime, t'is a good film.

[Minister Masket]

Reminds me of the time that i took 5 hits of Orange Sunshine, and thought that i had invented the railroad.


Honibaz

Knowing how old you are, you probably did.