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xtratabasco wrote:Nice thoughts there AAfitz
did you see
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... eptions%22
or
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1483512003
and backglass and the others do not want to open their minds. The NEED to believe that this governments invasion and the murder of over 1 million people in the Middle East was justified because some kids with box cutters (half a dozen are still alive--google it) attacked us on 911 despite the fact that over 500 experts say 911 was an inside job http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/ and Marvin Bush was head of security at the WTC buildings and airports of 911.
They only want to spam the thread, mock, or make fun of my spelling instead of rebutting the information.
The truth will come out, its just a matter of time.
Carebian Knight wrote:Your not opening your mind to the possibility that it isn't a conspiracy. I believe the plane topic has already been discussed.
Carebian Knight wrote:I've read all that already, like 3 times.
Why would I go make a new thread to support it? That's just a waste of space. That's why you annoy everyone, you make a new thread for everything. Keep everything that has to do with 9/11 in one thread, maybe people would take you more seriously.
xtratabasco wrote:Carebian Knight wrote:Your not opening your mind to the possibility that it isn't a conspiracy. I believe the plane topic has already been discussed.
ok, here is my concerns, take them on or go someplace else to grip.
If you dont want to talk about these problems/holes in this governments stories, then go make your own thread about defending them.
Here’s some of the evidence that prompts them to call for a new investigation:
1 20-ton sections of steel beams were propelled, laterally, for a distance of up to 400 feet where they lodged in the sides of nearby buildings. (See video footage of this at http://www.ae911truth.org)
2 Molten metal was seen (and videotaped) gushing out the side of one of the twin towers. (Why is this significant? Jet fuel burns at 1800 degrees Fahrenheit while office furniture, rugs and computers burn at an even lower temperature. Iron and steel don’t vaporize until their temperature gets close to 4000 degrees F. So what does burn at a temperature capable of vaporizing steel? Incendiary compounds known as thermate and thermite, which burn at 4500 degrees F. See more about this later in this article.)
3 Various explosions (some quite powerful) were seen, heard and felt by hundreds of people, including many firemen and policemen, prior to the collapse of the twin towers, but occurred well after the airliners collided with the buildings.
4 Huge numbers of extremely tiny iron spherules (formed when steel or iron vaporizes at extremely high temperatures) can be found in most of the 9/11 dust samples. (more evidence for thermite)
5 Many column sections seen in the wreckage of the twin towers were cut at 45-degree angles, and have, close to the cut lines, previously-melted 'drippings' produced when the steel was melted at a temperature much higher than can be produced by an acetylene torch. This kind of angle cut can be used to direct the falling beam inward.
Source for the above information is http://www.ae911truth.org, which is the web site of an investigative organization whose 200+ members are all either professional architects or professional engineers.
If there were no high-powered explosives detonated inside the twin towers, as the official explanation contends, then defenders of that official explanation must provide us with an alternate theory as to how those column and/or beam sections got embedded in the sides of buildings that were 400 feet away. (The compressed air created by floors collapsing one upon the other could provide nowhere near the energy required to propel a 20-ton beam or column section that far.) In addition, defenders of the official explanation must provide us with a plausible fuel source for the temperatures approaching 4000 degrees F. which would have been necessary to vaporize parts of many of the steel beam remnants found in the wreckage.
The evidence for incendiary cutting of steel consists of the video evidence, the forensic evidence in the dust and rubble, and the testimony of eyewitness early responders and survivors who saw glowing molten metal flowing out of window openings. These incendiary events and the forensic evidence strongly suggest that the official story is wrong. The chemistry of the iron-aluminum-rich microspheres that are found in the dust from the rubble, the chemical content of these microspheres suggest that the official story is wrong. http://www.journalof911studies.com/volu ... emistryWTC
So when could the explosives and incendiary materials have been planted?
The official record shows that various floors of each of the twin towers were completely closed off 'for repairs,' for days at a time. Monitoring TV cameras on these floors were disconnected.
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/20 ... world.html. Owner Larry Silverstein was perhaps in on the deal. Why suspect this? Well, for one thing he received a fabulous insurance settlement, after purchasing the WTC complex just weeks earlier under unusual circumstances. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/silverstein.html. The terrorist attack on the twin towers saved him the immense expense of having the towers demolished in the conventional way. (The towers had many structural problems. Two applications to have the buildings demolished were submitted by the previous owners because of the advanced galvanic corrosion that was taking place at each of the thousands of joints where aluminum parts were mistakenly put in tight contact with steel structural members.) http://redlineav.com/tsg.deposition.contd.2.html
There is plenty of evidence to suggest that explosives and incendiary compounds might have been planted at strategic locations within the Twin Towers. For example:
Bomb-sniffing dogs were inexplicably prevented from doing their job in the Twin Towers five days before 9-11
Various floors in the Twin Towers had been evacuated a number of times in the weeks preceding 9/11
There was a ‘power-down’ in parts of the Twin Towers on the weekend before 9/11, security cameras were shut down, and many workers ran around busily doing things unobserved.
And, as an interesting coincidence, a Bush-linked company ran security at the trade center, thus giving it free reign within the buildings.
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/20 ... world.html
In addition to these facts, demolition-and-building-collapse experts have raised the possibility of "explosive tenants" -- i.e. tenants in the Twin Towers who might have planted explosives in their own rented office spaces. http://911blogger.com/node/2487
There was a ‘power-down’ in parts of the Twin Towers on the weekend before 9/11, security cameras were shut down, and many workers ran around busily doing things unobserved.
And, as an interesting coincidence, a Bush-linked company ran security at the trade center, thus giving it free reign within the buildings.
jay_a2j wrote:I will not be FOOLED.
Wayne wrote:Wow, with a voice like that Dancing Mustard must get all the babes!
Garth wrote:Yeah, I bet he's totally studly and buff.
Dancing Mustard wrote:jay_a2j wrote:I will not be FOOLED.
You just posted a montage of Twin Towers footage set to a Linkin Park soundtrack. What the hell do you think you're proving?
Seriously, how much Kool-Aid have you drunk? And where are you getting that kind of money from?
PLAYER57832 wrote:Too many of those who claim they don't believe global warming are really "end-timer" Christians.
Wayne wrote:Wow, with a voice like that Dancing Mustard must get all the babes!
Garth wrote:Yeah, I bet he's totally studly and buff.
jay_a2j wrote:Time will tell on WHO had drunk the Kool-Aid.
alex_white101 wrote:jay_a2j wrote:Time will tell on WHO had drunk the Kool-Aid.
no it shant, as even if you are right how would u ever find out? You think any of this stuff would be admitted to by the govt even if it was true just coz a few crackhead taxi drivers spout it to a few people who have the misfortune of having to listen to it.
PLAYER57832 wrote:Too many of those who claim they don't believe global warming are really "end-timer" Christians.
jay_a2j wrote:I would like nothing more than I am wrong on this.
heavycola wrote:jay_a2j wrote:I would like nothing more than I am wrong on this.
I don't believe you. If you took any time to check the accuracy and sources of the conspiracy theories in which you believe so fervently and unquestioningly, I might.
if you want to be wrong on this, try doing your own research. And i don't mean googling 'new world order', i mean actually looking behind these sources.
This is the internet's downside. While newspapers are accountable, anyone can say whatever they like on the internet - and people like jay will lap it up unquestioningly. It is laziness and weak-mindedness, that's all.
PLAYER57832 wrote:Too many of those who claim they don't believe global warming are really "end-timer" Christians.
jay_a2j wrote:heavycola wrote:jay_a2j wrote:I would like nothing more than I am wrong on this.
I don't believe you. If you took any time to check the accuracy and sources of the conspiracy theories in which you believe so fervently and unquestioningly, I might.
if you want to be wrong on this, try doing your own research. And i don't mean googling 'new world order', i mean actually looking behind these sources.
This is the internet's downside. While newspapers are accountable, anyone can say whatever they like on the internet - and people like jay will lap it up unquestioningly. It is laziness and weak-mindedness, that's all.
Heavy... I used to argue the other side. I believed the terrorist plot. I called people like me crazies. I was dragged along by the "war on terror". Then something happened. I took a step back and pondered all the stuff I had been fed since 911. The fact that we stopped pursuing Osama...the one responsible for 911. Who WAS the greater enemy? Saddam or Osama? I started giving the "conspiracy" thing a look. So, many unanswered questions. Yet so many "grasping at straws" explanations. I couldn't sit back and be fooled any longer.
Marvin bush was head of security at WTC and airports before 911
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