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luns101 wrote:Xtra,
In your view what is the difference between a conservative and a neo-conservative?
xtratabasco wrote:why you ask?
luns101 wrote:xtratabasco wrote:why you ask?
because I remember when Bill Clinton tried to delineate between Democrats & new Democrats. I didn't believe it for a second but it worked for him in the 1992 campaign.
It just seems like you're making the same kind of case on the Republican side now.
xtratabasco wrote:well I guess im for the Constitution party, but whenever I say that I get some out there that want to push me on the abortion issue. which should probably be left to the women to answer.
what is your answer to the question you asked?
luns101 wrote:xtratabasco wrote:well I guess im for the Constitution party, but whenever I say that I get some out there that want to push me on the abortion issue. which should probably be left to the women to answer.
what is your answer to the question you asked?
I don't really know, to be honest. Let's take myself for an example:
I am pro 2nd amendment
Against legalizing homosexual marriage
Against legalizing marijuana & other drugs
Against embryonic stem cell research
Against the income tax
Pro capital punishment
I support the Iraq war
-EDIT-
Forgot, I am also against abortion except to save the life of the mother
So where does that put me...as a conservative or a neo-conservative? What year did this line get crossed where the neo-conservatives became different than the conservatives?
xtratabasco wrote:probably right after Reagons assination attempt.
bush sr is a neo-con
google PNAC the list of neo-con heavy hitters is there.
Some also believe neo-cons are zionists and support the Jews even over our country.
luns101 wrote:xtratabasco wrote:probably right after Reagons assination attempt.
bush sr is a neo-con
google PNAC the list of neo-con heavy hitters is there.
Some also believe neo-cons are zionists and support the Jews even over our country.
Alright, can't say I agree but thanks for answering. I've had some fun with your posts in the past and probably will in the future. I just never knew why you believed what you believed and was curious.
luns101 wrote:Xtra,
In your view what is the difference between a conservative and a neo-conservative?
AL HAIG, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: Well, first, I think that this is a conflict that's essentially political. It's not just purely military. It's political and religious and ideological. And it was driven by the so-called neocons that hijacked my party, the Republican Party, before this administration...
BLITZER: Name names, Mr. Secretary. Who are you talking about?
HAIG: Well, I'm talking about...
BLITZER: Because a lot of our viewers hear the word "neocon" and they don't know what you're talking about.
HAIG: Well, they're a group of people who are ex-Democrats. Many of them hovered around the Seattle Conservative Democrats some years ago, who...
BLITZER: Who specifically are you referring to?
HAIG: I'm talking about Wolfowitz. I'm talking about Richard Perle. I'm talking about some newly-made ones. I'm talking about the former editor of the Wall Street Journal.
These people are very, very deeply embedded in Yale and certain intellectual circles. And for years, they've been against NATO...
BLITZER: But did they hijack the strategy, the policy, from the president of the United States, the vice president of the United States?
HAIG: Yes.
BLITZER: The secretary of state, the secretary of defense?
HAIG: Well, no, not the secretary of state, but he sat there and had to be a passenger on a train that he wasn't driving?
BLITZER: Was Rumsfeld a neocon?
HAIG: I wouldn't say he was. I wouldn't say...
BLITZER: But was he in charge of the military strategy?
HAIG: No, no. The outcome of the strategy was to create democracy with a bayonet.
BLITZER: Is Cheney a neocon?
HAIG: I think so.
BLITZER: So he's part of that neocon conspiracy, or cabal, or whatever?
HAIG: Those around him were, if he wasn't.
BLITZER: And they could basically influence the president and dictate to the president what to do, in terms of going to war against Saddam Hussein?
HAIG: Well, I'm not here to talk about that. There were a lot of influences on the president, but he's the president, and he's responsible.
Full Transcript @:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... le.01.html
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xtratabasco wrote:luns101 wrote:xtratabasco wrote:probably right after Reagons assination attempt.
bush sr is a neo-con
google PNAC the list of neo-con heavy hitters is there.
Some also believe neo-cons are zionists and support the Jews even over our country.
Alright, can't say I agree but thanks for answering. I've had some fun with your posts in the past and probably will in the future. I just never knew why you believed what you believed and was curious.
at least you dont spam the shit out of them and willing to take part in a diolog with a shitty speller.
do you have any views on this topic?
DaGip wrote:luns101 wrote:Xtra,
In your view what is the difference between a conservative and a neo-conservative?
I know this is a question for Xtra, but let me give you a little info from Alexander Haig in an interview with WolfBlitzer on CNN:AL HAIG, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: Well, first, I think that this is a conflict that's essentially political. It's not just purely military. It's political and religious and ideological. And it was driven by the so-called neocons that hijacked my party, the Republican Party, before this administration...
BLITZER: Name names, Mr. Secretary. Who are you talking about?
HAIG: Well, I'm talking about...
BLITZER: Because a lot of our viewers hear the word "neocon" and they don't know what you're talking about.
HAIG: Well, they're a group of people who are ex-Democrats. Many of them hovered around the Seattle Conservative Democrats some years ago, who...
BLITZER: Who specifically are you referring to?
HAIG: I'm talking about Wolfowitz. I'm talking about Richard Perle. I'm talking about some newly-made ones. I'm talking about the former editor of the Wall Street Journal.
These people are very, very deeply embedded in Yale and certain intellectual circles. And for years, they've been against NATO...
BLITZER: But did they hijack the strategy, the policy, from the president of the United States, the vice president of the United States?
HAIG: Yes.
BLITZER: The secretary of state, the secretary of defense?
HAIG: Well, no, not the secretary of state, but he sat there and had to be a passenger on a train that he wasn't driving?
BLITZER: Was Rumsfeld a neocon?
HAIG: I wouldn't say he was. I wouldn't say...
BLITZER: But was he in charge of the military strategy?
HAIG: No, no. The outcome of the strategy was to create democracy with a bayonet.
BLITZER: Is Cheney a neocon?
HAIG: I think so.
BLITZER: So he's part of that neocon conspiracy, or cabal, or whatever?
HAIG: Those around him were, if he wasn't.
BLITZER: And they could basically influence the president and dictate to the president what to do, in terms of going to war against Saddam Hussein?
HAIG: Well, I'm not here to talk about that. There were a lot of influences on the president, but he's the president, and he's responsible.
Full Transcript @:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... le.01.html
When I was supporting Bush, my dad told me that Bush was more of a Democrat than a Republican...I didn't understand that then, but I understand it now. And when I heard this interview, it really drove home what my dad was trying to get through my thick skull. By the way, my dad has been a loyal Democrat for years, but he hardly agrees with any of the Dems nowadays. He likes Joe Lieberman and he think Alan Colmes is "one of the good ones"...I think so to. I find myself agreeing alot with Alan Colmes lately and more against Shawn Hannity, when just a few years ago, I was all about Shawn Hannity and the Bush agenda...what a sucker I was. But still I would never vote for Kerry!
Nobunaga wrote:... Neo-Cons, the term, has been defined as socially very conservative while financially very "liberal" (love to spend).
... Some add, "believeing in intervention foreign policy" to the definition. Seems to hold true at the moment.
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