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Postby Napoleon Ier on Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:57 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
suggs wrote:WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY would Bush want to kill a load of his countrymen.
I'm a liberal, and thus think he's a bit of an arse, but he's clearly a patriot.
There just isnt a rational explanation of MOTIVE.
and please dont say it was to do with oil, or so they could invade afghanistan, or sell more weopons.
I doubt if even Hitler could have stomached such a price.
SlighlyLessTobasco, this is garbage mate.
And a deflection from a serious critique of the disastrous Bush administration.
Wise up old bean.


Don't know how old you are...but you sound a bit naive. People can "stomach" a lot of stuff when their goal is a world government and really don't give two chits about people.

BTW... they needed a reason to go to war. No one was going to attack us, so they made it happen.


So... they can rig an internationalist terrorist plot, kill hundreds of people, destroy huge skyscrapers...

...but you still believe Ron Paul can be voted into power.

Or does this conspiracy of world domination not extend to elections...


Actually, I don't think anybody has a prayer of being elected by the people. Hillary will be the next president....they have chosen her.


Quelle horreur!!!

Surely not
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Postby Guiscard on Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:59 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
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jay_a2j wrote:
suggs wrote:WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY would Bush want to kill a load of his countrymen.
I'm a liberal, and thus think he's a bit of an arse, but he's clearly a patriot.
There just isnt a rational explanation of MOTIVE.
and please dont say it was to do with oil, or so they could invade afghanistan, or sell more weopons.
I doubt if even Hitler could have stomached such a price.
SlighlyLessTobasco, this is garbage mate.
And a deflection from a serious critique of the disastrous Bush administration.
Wise up old bean.


Don't know how old you are...but you sound a bit naive. People can "stomach" a lot of stuff when their goal is a world government and really don't give two chits about people.

BTW... they needed a reason to go to war. No one was going to attack us, so they made it happen.


So... they can rig an internationalist terrorist plot, kill hundreds of people, destroy huge skyscrapers...

...but you still believe Ron Paul can be voted into power.

Or does this conspiracy of world domination not extend to elections...


Actually, I don't think anybody has a prayer of being elected by the people. Hillary will be the next president....they have chosen her.


Then why the sig, and why ever even bother posting or mentioning Ron Paul's name... Nothing will come of it. Why support a presidential candidate? I'm not gonna bother trawling through posts to find quotes where you've said 'vote Ron Paul', but you know they are numerous.
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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:59 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:
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muy_thaiguy wrote:Yay! We all believe that youtube is a reliable source of information! Yay! :roll:



its a documentry

just google 911 mysteries it plays on more than youtube


I cant post it because theres to much there to post.

why dont you give it 25 minutes of your time instead of just trowing out random replies.
Then I'll get more bull crap sites with bogus movies on them. .



I hope you dont resort to spamming the thread up with bull crap sites.
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Postby Napoleon Ier on Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:00 pm

hang on, he can think its unlikely but still stand and do the right thing for his country hoping to change things ans that he is wrong
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Postby Dancing Mustard on Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:02 pm

xtratabasco wrote:I hope you dont resort to spamming the thread up with bull crap sites.

Does anybody else find that quote deliciously ironic?
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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:03 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:I hope you dont resort to spamming the thread up with bull crap sites.

Does anybody else find that quote deliciously ironic?



dm

I have been banned for say beano234

so you or muy start crap youll get a weeks vacation as well.


if you dont like the topic then go somewhere else
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Postby Guiscard on Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:06 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:I hope you dont resort to spamming the thread up with bull crap sites.

Does anybody else find that quote deliciously ironic?


Indeed :D
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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:08 pm

Guiscard wrote:
Dancing Mustard wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:I hope you dont resort to spamming the thread up with bull crap sites.

Does anybody else find that quote deliciously ironic?


Indeed :D


come back after youve watched the video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1483512003
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Postby Dancing Mustard on Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:10 pm

I'm not starting anything my good man, there's no need to be so snappy and defensive.

I just find it amusing that you're complaining at other people posting vast tracts of copy+paste text, linking to biased and unhelpful propaganda sites, and/or posting irrelevant links to videos of dubious reliability and little relevance.

You know, what with that being your usual style and all.

No sir, I ain't trying to 'start' nothing. I'm just making a comment in a free and open forum about the irony of certain people's debating stances. Don't get all 'thought police' and try to censor my freedom to post my opinions on topical issues.

If you don't like it Xtra, then don't read it. Simple as. You get me?
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Postby Guiscard on Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:10 pm

xtratabasco wrote:
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Dancing Mustard wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:I hope you dont resort to spamming the thread up with bull crap sites.

Does anybody else find that quote deliciously ironic?


Indeed :D


come back after youve watched the video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1483512003


I've watched plenty of videos, Xtra. I'm entirely not convinced, and perfectly satisfied with the conclusions I have drawn from what I've seen. I really don't feel the need to eek out every last detail with you. I'll be honest... I'm just here for the banter. :D :D :D
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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:15 pm

I guess the point is that this topic will never go away.


even as much as you and the neo-cons wish it would.
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Postby Dancing Mustard on Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:22 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:I'm not starting anything my good man, there's no need to be so snappy and defensive.

I just find it amusing that you're complaining at other people posting vast tracts of copy+paste text, linking to biased and unhelpful propaganda sites, and/or posting irrelevant links to videos of dubious reliability and little relevance.

You know, what with that being your usual style and all.

No sir, I ain't trying to 'start' nothing. I'm just making a comment in a free and open forum about the irony of certain people's debating stances. Don't get all 'thought police' and try to censor my freedom to post my opinions on topical issues.

If you don't like it Xtra, then don't read it. Simple as. You get me?

I guess the point is that this topic will never go away.


even as much as you and the neo-cons wish it would.

I actually have no interest in seeing this thread disappear, not only is it comedy gold; it's also far more likely to persuade people that 911 happened precisely the way the media reported it, and not the way that a couple of crazy conspiracists imagined it might.

You my friend are the neo-cons bestist buddy right now; a crazy and unbelievable face for all and sundry to put to the conspiracist cause. Your endless hours spenet discrediting these 'alternative' theories is all the proof we'll ever need to know that they're just a load of baloney and hokum.




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Postby Guiscard on Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:24 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:
Dancing Mustard wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:I'm not starting anything my good man, there's no need to be so snappy and defensive.

I just find it amusing that you're complaining at other people posting vast tracts of copy+paste text, linking to biased and unhelpful propaganda sites, and/or posting irrelevant links to videos of dubious reliability and little relevance.

You know, what with that being your usual style and all.

No sir, I ain't trying to 'start' nothing. I'm just making a comment in a free and open forum about the irony of certain people's debating stances. Don't get all 'thought police' and try to censor my freedom to post my opinions on topical issues.

If you don't like it Xtra, then don't read it. Simple as. You get me?

I guess the point is that this topic will never go away.


even as much as you and the neo-cons wish it would.

I actually have no interest in seeing this thread disappear, not only is it comedy gold; it's also far more likely to persuade people that 911 happened precisely the way the media reported it, and not the way that a couple of crazy conspiracists imagined it might.

You my friend are the neo-cons bestist buddy right now; a crazy and unbelievable face for all and sundry to put to the conspiracist cause. Your endless hours spenet discrediting these 'alternative' theories is all the proof we'll ever need to know that they're just a load of baloney and hokum.




P.S. Bump


Exactly what I was about to post. The best negative press 9/11 conspiracy theories and Ron Paul could get in terms of this site is the constant laughable 'watch this video'... 'show me a plane and I'll give you a million'... You come up with so many ironic, hypocritical and down right hilarious phrases... Comedy gold indeed.
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Postby Dancing Mustard on Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:25 pm

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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:38 pm

ohh contrar


I think its more ironic and funny, that a person will put up 1 million in cash, and not 1 of you can show pictures of the 757 that this government says hit the pentagon that proves the governments story.


not 1


and 1 of you even said they didnt want a million dollars, but she couldnt post them either.




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Postby Gold Knight on Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:45 pm

Still waiting for xtra's picture of what actual blew up the giant section missing from the Pentagon as well.

Does Webfairy or PrisonPlanet have a picture of that? :lol:
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Postby sfhbballnut on Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:48 pm

cena-rules wrote:why not just keep this to 1 thread

It is a load of bollocks

terrorists hijacked the planes and crashed into towers

so

SHUT THE f*ck UP
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Postby luns101 on Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:49 pm

Xtra, I had been working with the right-wing conspiracy, as exposed by Hillary Clinton, for a long time. While I wasn't directly involved in bringing down the twin towers...many of my compadres were. We made a lot of money off of the insurance policy that we took 2 weeks before the attacks.

Then we successfully invaded Iraq in order to gobble up all their oil. Life was pretty good. The fact is, we're starting to run out of money. We squandered it. What can I say...oops!

So I switched jobs. My new job for the past couple of years has been to manufacture Americos. We've been building this Super NAFTA highway now through Texas, you may have heard about it. We were well on our way to creating a North American Union & get more money out of it.

THEN YOU CAME ALONG AND EXPOSED US ALL!

Look, I was willing to tolerate your constant exposing of our plans at first because people would just laugh at it. Now it's getting serious. Look Xtra, we've got families to take care of just like everyone else. I'm asking you a favor. Can you stop with giving this information out to everyone on Conquer Club? Pretty please! I really like my new job. Look, over time you'll learn to like the New World Order. The V Chip is actually quite comfortable and easily implanted. It is all paid for through universal health care anyway, so just relax.

I have to go now. I'm late for another meeting of the Skulls Society.
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Postby muy_thaiguy on Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:53 pm

luns101 wrote:Xtra, I had been working with the right-wing conspiracy, as exposed by Hillary Clinton, for a long time. While I wasn't directly involved in bringing down the twin towers...many of my compadres were. We made a lot of money off of the insurance policy that we took 2 weeks before the attacks.

Then we successfully invaded Iraq in order to gobble up all their oil. Life was pretty good. The fact is, we're starting to run out of money. We squandered it. What can I say...oops!

So I switched jobs. My new job for the past couple of years has been to manufacture Americos. We've been building this Super NAFTA highway now through Texas, you may have heard about it. We were well on our way to creating a North American Union & get more money out of it.

THEN YOU CAME ALONG AND EXPOSED US ALL!

Look, I was willing to tolerate your constant exposing of our plans at first because people would just laugh at it. Now it's getting serious. Look Xtra, we've got families to take care of just like everyone else. I'm asking you a favor. Can you stop with giving this information out to everyone on Conquer Club? Pretty please! I really like my new job. Look, over time you'll learn to like the New World Order. The V Chip is actually quite comfortable and easily implanted. It is all paid for through universal health care anyway, so just relax.

I have to go now. I'm late for another meeting of the Skulls Society.
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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:56 pm

Gold Knight wrote:Still waiting for xtra's picture of what actual blew up the giant section missing from the Pentagon as well.

Does Webfairy or PrisonPlanet have a picture of that? :lol:



the reward is to prove this governments story is true.


common get rich.





:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby muy_thaiguy on Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:00 pm

xtratabasco wrote:
Gold Knight wrote:Still waiting for xtra's picture of what actual blew up the giant section missing from the Pentagon as well.

Does Webfairy or PrisonPlanet have a picture of that? :lol:



I doesn't listen or aknowledge teh otehr opinions

Soes I says instead be

common get rich.





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Postby Gold Knight on Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:00 pm

xtratabasco wrote:
Gold Knight wrote:Still waiting for xtra's picture of what actual blew up the giant section missing from the Pentagon as well.

Does Webfairy or PrisonPlanet have a picture of that? :lol:



the reward is to prove this governments story is true.


common get rich.





:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


How bout this, you post a picture of the device that "actually" blew up the Pentagon, and ill give you a million dollars.

Until then, stop making yourself look like the idiot poster child for the other conspirarists that have their heads stuck up their ass.
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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:04 pm

Gold Knight wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:
Gold Knight wrote:Still waiting for xtra's picture of what actual blew up the giant section missing from the Pentagon as well.

Does Webfairy or PrisonPlanet have a picture of that? :lol:



the reward is to prove this governments story is true.


common get rich.





:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


How bout this, you post a picture of the device that "actually" blew up the Pentagon, and ill give you a million dollars.

Until then, stop making yourself look like the idiot poster child for the other conspirarists that have their heads stuck up their ass.



go post it in your thread and see how it goes.

right now Im only concerned with someone who can prove this governments story.


but thanks for your thoughts to the matter.

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Postby Gold Knight on Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:07 pm

So why isnt the title of this thread, "prove the governments story" I could pretty much go off on any 9/11 based topic in this here broad forum, much like the rest of yours.

As for your thread title,





Go back and re-read.


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Re: More experts say Gov. is lying about 911

Postby xtratabasco on Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:13 pm

xtratabasco wrote:http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_richard__071103_former_high_level_of.htm





November 3, 2007 at 06:58:31

Former high-level officials challenge the conventional explanation of how and why the Twin Towers came down

by Richard Clark Page 1 of 3 page(s)

http://www.opednews.com







A 2,000 word article, Seven CIA Veterans Challenge 9/11 Commission Report, appeared September 23, 2007 in OpEdNews. (Link provided below.) The article details severe criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report by seven CIA veterans and calls for a new investigation. Here follows a brief quote or two from several of the individuals whose testimony is included in the article:

Ray McGovern, former Chairman of the National Intelligence Council and 27-year CIA veteran: "The 9/11 Report is a joke." “It has long been clear that the Bush-Cheney administration cynically exploited the attacks of 9/11 to promote its imperial designs. . . (And there is) evidence for an even more disturbing conclusion: that the 9/11 attacks were themselves orchestrated by this administration precisely so they could be thus exploited.”


William Christison, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political, and 29-year CIA veteran: "We very seriously need an entirely new, very high level, and truly independent investigation of the events of 9/11. I think you almost have to look at the 9/11 Commission Report as a joke and not a serious piece of analysis at all." “The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center almost certainly did not collapse and fall to earth because hijacked aircraft hit them.”

Robert Baer, 21-year CIA veteran and specialist in the Middle East, was awarded the Career Intelligence Medal upon his retirement in 1997. During an interview by Thom Hartmann, Baer, after commenting on the financial profits being made from 9/11, was asked: “What about political profit? There are those who suggest that someone in (the U.S.) chain of command had pretty good knowledge that 9/11 was going to happen -- and really didn't do much to stop it -- or even obstructed efforts to stop it because they thought it would lend legitimacy to Bush's failing presidency.” Baer replied: “Absolutely.” Hartmann then asked, “So you are personally of the opinion that there was an aspect of 'inside job' to 9/11 within the U.S. government?" To which Baer replied, "There is that possibility, the evidence points at it." When Hartmann continued, "And why is this not being investigated?” Baer replied, "Why isn't the WMD story being investigated? Why hasn't anybody been held accountable for 9/11? We held people accountable after Pearl Harbor. Why has there been no change in command? Why have there been no political repercussions? Why has there not been any sort of exposure on all this? It really makes you wonder."

Robert David Steele has 25 years of combined service in the CIA and the U.S. Marine Corps. Second ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence from 1988 - 1992. Member of the Adjunct Faculty of Marine Corps University. His comment: "I am forced to conclude that 9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war. "I'm absolutely certain that WTC 7 was brought down by controlled demolition. There's no way that building could have come down without controlled demolition."

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/print_ ... rans_c.htm

Additional statements questioning the official account of 9/11, and calls for a new investigation, by hundreds of high-level military officers (now retired) and other highly-credible individuals, can be found at http://PatriotsQuestion911.com

Here’s some of the evidence that prompts them to call for a new investigation:

1 20-ton sections of steel beams were propelled, laterally, for a distance of up to 400 feet where they lodged in the sides of nearby buildings. (See video footage of this at http://www.ae911truth.org)


2 Molten metal was seen (and videotaped) gushing out the side of one of the twin towers. (Why is this significant? Jet fuel burns at 1800 degrees Fahrenheit while office furniture, rugs and computers burn at an even lower temperature. Iron and steel don’t vaporize until their temperature gets close to 4000 degrees F. So what does burn at a temperature capable of vaporizing steel? Incendiary compounds known as thermate and thermite, which burn at 4500 degrees F. See more about this later in this article.)


3 Various explosions (some quite powerful) were seen, heard and felt by hundreds of people, including many firemen and policemen, prior to the collapse of the twin towers, but occurred well after the airliners collided with the buildings.


4 Huge numbers of extremely tiny iron spherules (formed when steel or iron vaporizes at extremely high temperatures) can be found in most of the 9/11 dust samples. (more evidence for thermite)


5 Many column sections seen in the wreckage of the twin towers were cut at 45-degree angles, and have, close to the cut lines, previously-melted 'drippings' produced when the steel was melted at a temperature much higher than can be produced by an acetylene torch. This kind of angle cut can be used to direct the falling beam inward.
Source for the above information is http://www.ae911truth.org, which is the web site of an investigative organization whose 200+ members are all either professional architects or professional engineers.

If there were no high-powered explosives detonated inside the twin towers, as the official explanation contends, then defenders of that official explanation must provide us with an alternate theory as to how those column and/or beam sections got embedded in the sides of buildings that were 400 feet away. (The compressed air created by floors collapsing one upon the other could provide nowhere near the energy required to propel a 20-ton beam or column section that far.) In addition, defenders of the official explanation must provide us with a plausible fuel source for the temperatures approaching 4000 degrees F. which would have been necessary to vaporize parts of many of the steel beam remnants found in the wreckage.

The evidence for incendiary cutting of steel consists of the video evidence, the forensic evidence in the dust and rubble, and the testimony of eyewitness early responders and survivors who saw glowing molten metal flowing out of window openings. These incendiary events and the forensic evidence strongly suggest that the official story is wrong. The chemistry of the iron-aluminum-rich microspheres that are found in the dust from the rubble, the chemical content of these microspheres suggest that the official story is wrong. http://www.journalof911studies.com/volu ... emistryWTC

So when could the explosives and incendiary materials have been planted?

The official record shows that various floors of each of the twin towers were completely closed off 'for repairs,' for days at a time. Monitoring TV cameras on these floors were disconnected.
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/20 ... world.html. Owner Larry Silverstein was perhaps in on the deal. Why suspect this? Well, for one thing he received a fabulous insurance settlement, after purchasing the WTC complex just weeks earlier under unusual circumstances. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/silverstein.html. The terrorist attack on the twin towers saved him the immense expense of having the towers demolished in the conventional way. (The towers had many structural problems. Two applications to have the buildings demolished were submitted by the previous owners because of the advanced galvanic corrosion that was taking place at each of the thousands of joints where aluminum parts were mistakenly put in tight contact with steel structural members.) http://redlineav.com/tsg.deposition.contd.2.html

There is plenty of evidence to suggest that explosives and incendiary compounds might have been planted at strategic locations within the Twin Towers. For example:

Bomb-sniffing dogs were inexplicably prevented from doing their job in the Twin Towers five days before 9-11

Various floors in the Twin Towers had been evacuated a number of times in the weeks preceding 9/11

There was a ‘power-down’ in parts of the Twin Towers on the weekend before 9/11, security cameras were shut down, and many workers ran around busily doing things unobserved.


And, as an interesting coincidence, a Bush-linked company ran security at the trade center, thus giving it free reign within the buildings.
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/20 ... world.html
In addition to these facts, demolition-and-building-collapse experts have raised the possibility of "explosive tenants" -- i.e. tenants in the Twin Towers who might have planted explosives in their own rented office spaces. http://911blogger.com/node/2487



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