Wandlore Battles Kalish out. Hogwart wins!

[kalishnikov]

I'm still curious about Kalishnikov, though. Was it the rule set in the first post you read and forgot about?

I'm sorry Koesen, I meant to answer you in my last post but was distracted by the ensuing chaos.

Yes, when I made the post that drew the 'suspicion' to me, I had forgotten about the rule that if you (anyone, it's not just role-specific) don't have a wand you can try and steal one. I've had the same wand since the get-go so I haven't had any need to try and steal one.

And it wasn't the whole set I forgot about, just the one about the stealing of wands.

[Koesen]

What I meant, was: where did you learn about that rule?

[kalishnikov]

What I meant, was: where did you learn about that rule?

The first page? I'm not quite getting what your asking. Do you mean after I made the post, how did I found out about the rule in question?

[Koesen]

That is what I meant, yes.

Now, this may lead to nothing at all, but I asked because I had the impression that you said, as you confirm here, that you read about the wand stealing rule in Freezie's first post and subsequently forgot about it, since you didn't really pay much attention to the rule set. Which is understandable, because I barely read the rule sets myself, assuming that they're basically all the same anyway.

That's what happened, right?

[ga7]

Kwan = Jester.
SFOS Fir for still not claiming.
I believe Syzygy, and don't want to lynch Kwanton as he wants to be lynched.
We're still lacking claims to settle the Tal-Exile case, and I certainly don't want a lynch to happen before that as I still believe it's our best lead to find guaranteed scum.
I'm starting to think that since this is taking so much time, I'll kill a random non-claimer tonight.

[ga7]

Ah shit, Fir did claim, missed the post. Hmm... I need to check back Mandy's list, there can't be that many left then...

[kalishnikov]

Yep, that's it.

If there weren't so many pages I'd go back and find the quotes but basically after I made the post in question, someone pointed out that rule (the one I forgot) so I went back and re-read them and was like 'oh yea, I remember that' then mandalorian was like 'lynch him, go' and I got bandwagoned.

I hate to say it, but I pay less attention to the rules then I should sometimes when a game is starting as, like you said, I kinda assume they are all the same. Lately though the rules in a few games have been different so it's time to start reading them thoroughly. In fact I'm gonna go re-read the rules in all the games I'm in.

[kalishnikov]

Ah shit, Fir did claim, missed the post. Hmm... I need to check back Mandy's list, there can't be that many left then...

Skimmer.

[ga7]

Alright.

1.Talapus = George Weasly
2.GT = ?

4.fircoal = Parvati Patil
5.Mandy = Ron Weasly

7.The1exile = Fred Weasly
8.Koesen = Padma Patil
9.LSU tiger Josh = Olivander
10.Nagerous = Harry Potter
11.Kwanton = Hermione Granger
12.ga7 = Neville Longbottom

14.Kalishnikov = Fawkes
15.Trestain/Dustn64 = Dumbledore

17.Serbia = Nearly-Headless Nick
18.Syzygy = Hermione Granger

About the bolded roles: except GT who is obviously submarining when we desperately need the last claim, I would like to know if the others are pretty minor characters or not. I remember the earlier discussion on Koesie's role being very minor, and isn't Fir's one even more so then? Well, I'd like a setting-wise POV on all these anyway.

Concerning the Kwan/Syzygy matter, I really think Kwan is acting as a jester, or possibly a lyncher. He'd never have made that move as scum, this is a damn different situation than in Super mario.

About Tal, well still no siblings popping up. What's that thing about 3 twins Mandy though? There is a possible last brother? What the hell with this scum family? So many unanswered questions

Finally Kalish this looks pretty bad. You didn't get a pro-town role it seems.

[Koesen]

Exactly. It took me half a dozen posts to get a clear answer, but the reason I went on (and on and on ) about the rule thing is this:

Only scum needs to read the rules to know that townies may steal wands too. Townies know because it's in their role PM.

Skimming the rule post is entirely forgiveable. As I said, I do it myself too. But skimming your own role PM? I find that much harder to believe. The wand stealing rule is a prominent part of my role PM and I don't see how a townie could miss that information.

Ergo, I believe Kalishnikov is scum.

I still think Kwanton looks more scummy than Syzygy, but since there appears to be some room for doubt (the jester question, etc), I'm going to switch back to Kalishnikov for today.

Unvote
Vote Kalishnikov

[nagerous]

In super mario scum needed only one more pro-town lynch to win the game at that point hence the kwanton counter-claim. Then things started crashing down for them.

[kalishnikov]

Koesen, I've never claimed to be town; not even in my roleclaim. I am not town, I am a survivor (I think that's the right color, I'm partially colorblind).

I don't care whether the scum win or the town, I'm just along for the ride.

Lynch me if you like, I'm pretty much irrelevant in scheme of things; but it won't bring you the win, just me the loss.... Also, assuming Serbia isn't lying about his role, he can confirm that the pm says nothing about the stealing of wands in it.

[kalishnikov]

And good eyes, Koesen. I had no idea the town pm said anything about the stealing of wands in it. Now it makes sense why you were so adamant about it though.

[Koesen]

I was wondering how many more times I could rephrase the question without allerting you to what the answer should be.

Town, scum or third party, I find it hard to believe that some people who are capable of stealing wands don't have that mentioned in their role PMs, when others clearly do.

If you are capab;e of stealing wands and there is no mention of it in your role PM, than you can chalk this one up to inconsistency on Freezie's part

(or maybe he just intended to leave a false trail )

[Koesen]

Also, assuming Serbia isn't lying about his role, he can confirm that the pm says nothing about the stealing of wands in it.

I wouldn't mind getting Serbia's input, though.

[kalishnikov]

I checked my pm again just to be sure, and it definitely doesn't say anything about stealing wands, which does seem odd I agree (regardless of faction).

Hopefully Serbia will confirm as I see no reason why his would be any different then mine unless it's just an inconsistency. It is a big game with many in-depth roles, perhaps freezie just forgot.

[Koesen]

I'll apologize if I turn out to be wrong

[mandalorian2298]

Role Claim list update:

1. Talapus - George Weasly.
2. Mandy - Ron Weasly.
3. Ga7 - Neville Longbottom
4. Nag - Harry Potter
5. Koesen - Padma Patil
6. Syzygy - Hermione Granger
7. Exile - Fred Weasly (Wandmaker Apprantice)
8. LSU - Olivander (Wandmaker)
9. Dustn - Albus B. P. W. Dumbledore
10. Serbia - Nearly-Headles Nick (Survivor)
11. Fircoal - Parvati Patil
12. Kwanton - Hermione Granger (Probably a Jester)
13. Kalish - Fawks (Dumbledore's phoenix) (1 shot wand maker)

The two players marked orange, might have been penalized with an alligment switch during the previous Night. Thus, although their name-claims probably can be trusted, they alone don't prove their innocence.

The two players marked blue have claimed the same role.
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1. Ga7, please do us all a favor and NK Kwanton tonight. If he can waste our time, we can take away his victory. Unvote

Temporary vote Tonka for not claiming his role.

YO MOD! Please replace Trestain. Once he goes drops out, he rarely comes back into a game.

[kalishnikov]

Not a problem at all, either way.

It was a very good find, and now I understand why mandalorian wanted me lynched many pages ago, I think he knew I was third-party (that's why I was the 'boring' option and Fir was the 'exciting' option for a lynch) from lack of this being included in my role, which leads me to believe that both scum and town have it included; just not 3rd party.

I'm just surprised that only you and maybe mando are the only ones who picked up on it, or at least said anything.

[Koesen]

1. Ga7, please do us all a favor and NK Kwanton tonight. If he can waste our time, we can take away his victory. Unvote

Temporary vote Tonka for not claiming his role.

YO MOD! Please replace Trestain. Once he goes drops out, he rarely comes back into a game.

I agree with all of that, although my vote stays on Kalishnikov, who does a good job of sounding like an innocent third party guy, but could also be a cunning liar

[ga7]

Mandy: deal. Although it'll be so tempting to NK Kalish and Serbia...
Trestain was replaced by Dustn, the player list wasn't updated.

Hmm... I'm not sure what to think about this survivor claim. Granted, I don't know how you'd play it, but you seemed pretty townie-like up to that point...
As for few picking up on this, well personally I had to recheck my role pm to remember it being mentionned, thought it was the same for many people, turns out it couldn't be blamed on memory loss due to overdrinking.
But tell us more Kalish, I'm not sure what to think of this claim, and I kinda believe Serbia to be one again so he could check up on it. Basically you had a wand from the start, and thought you'd just keep it throughout the game? Why would a survivor need that kind of one shot power anyway?
This reminds me a bit of a certain survivor claim *cough* NJO *grins maniacally* so...
Wait, something's missing.

[ga7]

I am Fawkes. I dunno who or what that is but I've got a 1-shot ability to make a wand and once in the game I can take a curse for someone, that would normally cause death, and they won't die but I will; however I'll be reborn the next day (seems kinda weird to me, I wonder what the hell I am; perhaps I'll Google it).

Second, kwan really wants lynched. I don't think that we should go with that option at all, sounds fishy to me.

This game is hard when you don't know much about HP so I'll put in when I notice something, but for the must part all the wands and names and stuff, I got nothing so I leave that to you guys.

However after re-reading, I'm quite suspicious of Talapus, Syzygy and kwan at the moment, and slightly suspicious of mandalorian.

After this plays out a little more, I'll put a vote on someone, just not sure who yet though.

Koesen, I've never claimed to be town; not even in my roleclaim. I am not town, I am a survivor (I think that's the right color, I'm partially colorblind).

I don't care whether the scum win or the town, I'm just along for the ride.

Lynch me if you like, I'm pretty much irrelevant in scheme of things; but it won't bring you the win, just me the loss.... Also, assuming Serbia isn't lying about his role, he can confirm that the pm says nothing about the stealing of wands in it.

Ok looks like a pretty big slipup Kalish. A one shot protective role for a freaking survivor??? Ok, you're revived the next day. But there's no way a survivor would give a f*ck about protecting anyone.
I won't place my vote on you till GT stops being the submarining pro-scum he currently is. But my is it tempting.

[Koesen]

Nice find!

I agree it's questionable that a survivor would get such powers.

[kalishnikov]

Alright, I didn't wanna say it for fear of endangering him (and cuz I wanted to seem more useful ), but I left something out of my roleclaim: the protection only works for Dumbeldore. Basically if he turns up dead, I can die for a day and he gets revived. But when I come back I'm completely powerless.

The problem is, if I take one for him I have a significantly lower chance of making it till the end.

With all this now revealed, I'll be NK'ed then Dumbeldore. Sometimes pushing for info isn't in the best interest of the town, fellas; but I understand your suspicion.

If I die, whoever's got the doc wand be sure to protect dustin as I'm sure he'll be a target very shortly thereafter.

And ga don't NK me, at least let me use my wand-making thingy first.

[Koesen]

Why would a third party be interested in bodyguarding Dumbledore?