Risk Snobbery

[AAFitz]

I am enjoying reading this thread, thus far it has been one of the more sensible discussions on the public v private games debate.

I have always been of the belief that all players should have the opportunity to play all other players. I am fairly certain I will always be a low ranker for a combination of reasons (primarily because I am brutal at this game) but there are many on here I have come to know and would love to play but I totally understand at the moment why they would not want to play me because of the risk of losing their precious pts.

I always believed 0 pt games would be a potential solution to this but as previously stated this too would have problems.

I suspect this debate will continue for a long time to come but I don't believe in the main this is because a % of high rankers are snobs it is because of a fear that a/ they could lose a huge amount of pts and b/ that the games will not be challenging enough.

youd be amazed how many players will play you regardless of your score... the fact that some dont play open games with lower ranks, doesnt mean they wouldnt play players known to be positive players, with a good attitude like yourself. Its more the risk of getting a negative player, cheater, etc. that keep many out of the open games.

And for those who want to maintain their score of 3000, that doesnt make them a snob, any more than the fact that they wont attack with every three they have on the board on round one.... there's just no way to win that way, or for a player with 3000 to play many open games.

Id play you anytime rebel. Your posts are always reasonable, and you always seem to have a positive attitude, whether or not I agree with every point or not... unfortunately, all players arent like you, and I dont enjoy the drama of dealing with them... its one thing to lose 60 points in a game, its quite another to do it when he and his buddy tag team me, leave a negative feedback, and swear through the whole game blaming me for their need to cheat....

[keyborn]

Interesting discussion... I play very few private games, and those that I do play I am invited to by other players. My son and I play doubles together, both sequential and freestyle games. We will frequently start 8 to 10 public games at the same time, and will play anyone willing to join our games (unless you are on my ignore list ). I am currently at 3200+ and my son has 2100+ points. So, here is my invitation to all you who want a crack at 30-50 points... next time you feel like playing doubles, search for my games waiting for players. You might even get to join one...and maybe win one???? I am not afraid of putting my points on the line.

Oh, and I usually wish you good luck!!!

[KoE_Sirius]

Refusing to play unreasonable players who swear and cheat through games is not snobbery!
Sadly this is not Confined to the lower ranks.Lot and lots and lots of high rankers are the rudest people I have ever met.Actually the ratio of bad behaviour of noobs to "experts" is pretty poor for the experts.
They seem to see that little number beside ones ID as an excuse to judge others.With little or no regard to how it would make that person feel.

[Natali]

I think high rankers are taking this game a bit too seriously. Ok, I am pretty new player and would like to have higher rank, but loosing is a part of the fun. Can you imagine, yesterday I lost 33 points to a cook! I'll probably shoot myself now! My opinion is that high rankers have 2 problems:
a) they most likely think that low rankers don't know how to play
b) they are afraid of loosing point
I am not generalizing to all high rankers, that's why I used most likely. If a) is one problem, they shouldn't be afraid of loosing points then. But there is one thing that I must say to the high rankers. YOU WERE ALL LOW RANKERS AND NEWBS AT ONE POINT IN TIME! REMEMBER THAT!

[jiminski]

I think high rankers are taking this game a bit too seriously. Ok, I am pretty new player and would like to have higher rank, but loosing is a part of the fun. Can you imagine, yesterday I lost 33 points to a cook! I'll probably shoot myself now! My opinion is that high rankers have 2 problems:
a) they most likely think that low rankers don't know how to play
b) they are afraid of loosing point
I am not generalizing to all high rankers, that's why I used most likely. If a) is one problem, they shouldn't be afraid of loosing points then. But there is one thing that I must say to the high rankers. YOU WERE ALL LOW RANKERS AND NEWBS AT ONE POINT IN TIME! REMEMBER THAT!

I am appalled by your snobbery towards snobs!

but honestly it's easy to be too hard on the people at the top of the table and yes many of them do take it very seriously! It takes a hell of a lot of concentration to score higher than thousands of other people at any game.

there are some fantastically: clever, skilled...sneaky, manipulative.. greedy, funny, honourable, elitist (far more snobby than snobs!) and kind players there... it's not vastly unlike anywhere else on the board.

The one thing you can say with absolute certainty is that they are the best at scoring and keeping points.

[Scott-Land]

I too play a lot of public games and low rank speed games. It's very straining and extremely stressful majority of the times because of the erratic play ( although they are equally in private games, sometimes even more so). I too care about points....... it's those whom don't have points that does not care about them. Stop constantly complaining about everything and anything that is impossible to have any control over. Name calling isn't a solution.

[codeblue1018]

Agreed. I attained the two goals that I set for myself on this site. First, to attain 2000 points in the old scoring system, which was a colonel or in the new scoring system a captain. Secondly, to be on the first page of the scoreboard. I did all this with-in the last couple weeks after 1100+ games.

With that said, I play with just about every1 now to try and make this experience fun as apposed to stressful and frustrating. I initially took this game way to serious as a lot of fellow gamers do. I was and still am focused on points and rank yet, I want to enjoy the game at the same time.

I can see why people play with certain people. They work hard to get to a certain rank and they want to keep it. I realized something tonight, I became mad at a particular game and I thought, this is absurd. With that said, I will play with most and if someone else's inexperience loses a game for us, then so be it. Easy come, easy go.

When I was a lot lower in rank, I had people intentionally dump me from a game if I joined. Now being a captain (at least for now), those same players join games of mine or invite me to join theirs. I can't be to mad because I myself have done this before to not lose too many points if we were to lose our doubles game. It would be natural to assume a player who holds a high rank knows the game fairly well and thus, others follow. We all see this. Most of the time its with our favorite trip or dub partners. We all have them, I know I do, ahem, AAFITZ. Taught me a lot!

Sorry if this is a little off topic, but I think if I play to have fun, spend less time focusing on points and players/opponents, I am sure I will have a more enjoyable time and be more pleasant toward others.

To sum this up, we were all noobs at one point and we must all remember where we started and what veteran players took us under their wing to help us grow to our gaming potential. We all have those guys.

Thx for the topic KOE...

[jiminski]

... extremely stressful majority of the times because of the erratic play (although they are equally in private games, sometimes even more so).

hehe who you talking about Scotty?

Stop constantly complaining about everything and anything that is impossible to have any control over. Name calling isn't a solution.[

Can't we all just get on!


I suppose though that it is a little inevitable that there is polarisation within the CC community .... I don't take it too seriously but i do consider every player when i make a move, sometimes for flaming hours .. and within the confines of my intellect and or time i make the best possible move.
too serious maybe but that's the way i enjoy playing the game.. i infuriate my mates when playing a sociable game over a beer.... '2 and a half hours; 3 Stellas, a bowl of chipsticks, a pizza delivered... Sarah gave birth .. did you notice!? .. and you deploy 1 troop on the same place as all your others.. 63 on Ukrane then!'

ah well!

The thing is people.. and although i said earlier that people are th same throughout the board .. it's true but with 1 fairly large difference: right at the top.. say in the top 10 -20 spots you have to play pretty much perfectly to stay there. So you really have to want to be there to be there.

I don;t think you can knock that level of determination ... hehe even though it is just a meaningless game.. when you boil down any activity it is pretty meaningless it is us who personally ascribe meaning to anything we do.

[Scott-Land]

generally speaking Jim-- nothing more and nothing less.

[jiminski]

generally speaking Jim-- nothing more and nothing less.

I'm only pulling your leg Scott and hopefully entering into some aimless banter!

[Scott-Land]

generally speaking Jim-- nothing more and nothing less.

I'm only pulling your leg Scott and hopefully entering into some aimless banter!

although someone has come to mind now that you've mentioned it- hehee






his aimless banter has been directed towards me throughout the forums-

[jiminski]

generally speaking Jim-- nothing more and nothing less.

I'm only pulling your leg Scott and hopefully entering into some aimless banter!

although someone has come to mind now that you've mentioned it- hehee






his aimless banter has been directed towards me throughout the forums-

haha ... i am shocked!


hahah there was some very fruity language .. it made me laugh.. probably the laugh didn't fall your way. i think he was very pissed off that you would think it was anything but he dice! shhh we have turned into a couple of whispering 12 year old girls.. oohh i really fancy Ewell Brenner!?????? titter giggle giggle.....

[firstholliday]

jim is pulling scotts leg.... i love it.


Now rip it OFF!!!

[KoE_Sirius]

Jim has been reading the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy or he wrote it..One of the two.

[krusher]

Those of you who know and played me before know that I play every one atleast once I'm always hosting public 6 player games where every one can join sure I dont like when privates or cooks join looking for a win a quick 100 points out of me lol but I dont mind as long as they play fairly and actually have some kind of strategy other then just pressing the attack button I played many KoE before and got to say you guys are not good players at all I got most of you on ignore just because of your game play. never the less I do give every one a chanse to play since I'm always hosting public games so if you find that you cant join a certain game its probably not the person being snobby its your game play that they didnt like.

[KoE_Sirius]

Those of you who know and played me before know that I play every one atleast once I'm always hosting public 6 player games where every one can join sure I dont like when privates or cooks join looking for a win a quick 100 points out of me lol but I dont mind as long as they play fairly and actually have some kind of strategy other then just pressing the attack button I played many KoE before and got to say you guys are not good players at all I got most of you on ignore just because of your game play. never the less I do give every one a chanse to play since I'm always hosting public games so if you find that you cant join a certain game its probably not the person being snobby its your game play that they didnt like.

Yes Krusher I do not believe you are a risk snob..I could start a whole subject based on you,but snobbery wouldn't come into it...For that I take my hat off to you.

[Risktaker17]

I'm pretty much a risk snob

[billy07]

i won`t play any working class people, am i a snob?

[KoE_Sirius]

i won`t play any working class people, am i a snob?

No billy...You are something else lol

[Piestar]

How many people would quit CC, if there were no points, and ranks? Me, I'm here for the fun of the game, b ut obviously a lot of people take CC status very seriously... How many would leave if they didn't have a visual representation of their superiority?

[KoE_Sirius]

How many people would quit CC, if there were no points, and ranks? Me, I'm here for the fun of the game, b ut obviously a lot of people take CC status very seriously... How many would leave if they didn't have a visual representation of their superiority?

I wouldnt quit,but I wouldnt pay for premium membership either.Rank means something..It just shouldn't mean we exclude others for being lower in rank.Maybe a list of how many people you have beaten beside your id would be good too.

[MeDeFe]

The only alternative to a point system would be leagues and divisions, based on how well you do you get to play against people who do similarly well. But since we won't even get separate scoreboards for singles and doubles games I guess that's out of the question.

[KoE_Sirius]

Yeah I think we should have a doubles score..I have posted for this on another thread

[Hatchman]

I only mentioned Hatch so as not to take credit for the idea.... I see you have a certain disdain for his stance so if i pretend that the idea was mine would it be better?

I had an idea! how about we have a game option where we play for no points! that way we would break the cycle of point acquisitiveness and lower ranks would get the chance to play higher ones.

At the moment, unfortunate though it is, human nature determines that when you earn something few wish to give it all away! this linked with the point handicap leads to a 2 tier gaming structure.

My idea would enable newer players to learn the nuances of the game from experienced players and also allow experienced players to familiarise themselves with good but new players and not brand them all as Deadbeats and suiciders.

I support this idea mate

[yorkiepeter]

I really don't get this thread.

I am a keen supporter of my local village football team. What do you think alex ferguson would say if we offered to play manchester united.

You wanna play against better players fine, then first beat people regularly at or just above your level and you will increase in points to a point where you will be invited to play the best.

Its not snobbery