Wandlore Battles Kalish out. Hogwart wins!

[kwanton]

as far as i know stealing wands is role aligned particularly

fwiw....elder wands are like the wands which are better and the spell is one of the unforgivables specifically the one that kills people.

Dammit ABWOP.

I dunno what you mean by "role related" but anyone can steal a wand as long as they don't have one. I didn't think wands had anything to do with roles. It was on the first page.

[mandalorian2298]

Ok, I have re-red the whole game. Here are my thoughts:

1. I would like to apologize to Koesen for the whole which hunt yesterday. I have now re-red the part when you all agreed with me and lynched PCM Day 1 and I noticed that Koesen voted PCM after me and kept arguing to lynch him. Scum could vote another Scum, but only a non-scum could pursue the lynch like Koesen did ('specially since PCM wasn't the Godfather, which takes the 'Usurper theory' of the table).

Having said this, FOS me (Mandy) and Koesen. We messed up yesterday (Koesen messed up more, though ), so it's possible that Freezie has turned one of us into Scum. I, of course, know that I haven't been turned into Scum, but that is what I would say if have been turned into scum, so that does nothing to prove my guilt or innocence.
Furthermore, since both Koesen and I WERE confirmed townies up until Night 2, we have been issued a pro-town role PM each. Thus, any roleclaims from either of us should be treated as irrelevant (which is a shame because my role is a fairly main character. I just hope that mr. Win Condition wasn't a power role ).
However, the best way for Freezie to punish us without actualy mod-killing us, would be to do nothing and to allow the Town to lynch us based on the reasoning that I have just described. Thus, I propose that we lynch Koesen on Day 4 and me on Day 5, IF we fail to to lynch a scum member today. The Town is ahead far enough to tolerate the threat that we may represent for one more Day. Also (since I have found scum on Day 1 and have (albeit unthusiasticly) hammered another on Day 2) failiure to lynch a Scum on Day 3 will clearly constitute slacking on my part. Thus, if we fail to find scum, I deserve to be lynched (this conclusion is becoming boring even to me, but, unfortunatly, this time it's based on logic. ).

2. To 'Luna Lovegood' : I leave this to your discretion, but I believe that you should tell us if your wand gets stolen (if I am wrong and your wand had nothing to do with it, feel free to ignore this post and laugh at me.)

3. I am torn between voting for LSU (on account of my insane theories), Fircoal (on account of my insane dreams) and Nagerus (on account of him acting like someon who real wants to survive so that he could NK people). I have to think more about this.

[ga7]

What about Tal? He behaved pretty much the same way as Neutrino on the previous day(s), + the subtlety. Granted, it's a recycled reasoning, but I still think he's the one more likely to be scum, although of course LSU and Fir both have been a bit fishy.

[mandalorian2298]

I got my wand stolen too.

Hey, lookie here, it's us three again... at least I got the Frenchie between us...

And on another note, I think this might mean Fircoal is town, because he can't vote today? Does that make any sense to anyone?

First off; lol, ga likes the middle.

Next, 2 wands stolen in one night? Not good, that means there must be more scum then I guessed because I can't imagine one person can steal multiple wands in one night, that would be ridiculously over-powered and I was figuring 4 scum for a game this size (i.e., 1 left). So the next logical question is, is it one scum group with 2 'stealers' or 2 separate groups each with one 'stealer,' or something completely different? Would the town have wand thieves? Or a third-party? I'm just thinking out loud here.

Lastly, I'm not sure that means Fir is town. Like ga said, it may just mean that he was targeted with some wand that removes his voting powers. Actually, I don't think it clears him 100 percent, but now that I think about it I guess it is likely that he is town as I doubt the scum would target one of their own.

All the pro-towns who can steal wands please vote Kalish on my mark. Mark. Vote Kalish

As for your question Ga7, I think that investigating Talapus might be a good idea. Also, I think that, should the game go over to Day 4, the Cop should consider claiming, provided that his 3 targets have survived to Day 4. This would give us a nice number of almost certain pro-towns at the price of one (soon to be) dead Cop, which could prove enough for the victory, should the last scum menage to to avoid detection.

[ga7]

That's a good idea. In fact considering the cop power most likely comes from a wand too he'd just have it stolen anyway, so the cop power would still be around. I wonder what happens if several players target the same guy though, and if scum can take part of the stealing/have priority etc...
Rereading my role I can see where you're coming from Mandy, it does look like a slipup. Vote Kalish to add pressure.

[Koesen]

All apologies and arguments for my lynch are graciously accepted.

I don't have an important role, so other than me being town, town doesn't lose much when I die.

I agree with the vote for Kalishnikov since I think anybody who is pro town sholud know that wand stealing is not exclusively scummy.

[dustn64]

Vote Kal Just to add pressure. but his lack of knowledge for the rule is a bit weak, but one lead we could follow through with.

[nagerous]

Ok I know it might be unwise but I gotta ask. I got my wand stolen last night, but automatically got a new one. Did it happen to anyone else? Setting wise, I'm pretty lost on if it's a good or bad one
Anyway, I'm mostly worried because of the role "wandmaker apprentice" pcm had. I think scum might have the ability to create wands that can screw the town somehow.

And Kalish, I've seen better comebacks. It's not over till the fat lady sings

Yes my tracking wand which was broken, the one I stole from syzygy on night one got stolen this night, which was good because if you have a broken wand it doesn't work and you can't get a new one so I was pleased it was stolen and also hence the reason I believed mandy's dream because I was a tracker!!!

[ga7]

Wands can get broken? Maybe Syzygy at least can tell us if he had a result from night 1 on the tracking then?
Anyway I hope it's not the case for all wands, cause mine was the doc one (and I absolutely loved deciding against protecting Jnd and seeing night 1 result )

[Talapus]

Buy all means feel free to investigate me mystery cop. I have nothing to hide. As for my actions yesterday, well, I wasn't on much. However I believe I backed up my votes well enough to stand on their own merit. I do agree with the current arguement about Kalish though. But I don't think we need to speed lynch. So for now. FOS Kalish.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

What about Tal? He behaved pretty much the same way as Neutrino on the previous day(s), + the subtlety. Granted, it's a recycled reasoning, but I still think he's the one more likely to be scum, although of course LSU and Fir both have been a bit fishy.

Oh voting for me won't help out the town as I'm, but a simple shop owner that has been in business for many years.

[freezie]

Avadra KeDavotacounta:


Kalishnikov (4) Mandy, ga7, koesen, Dustn.

14 alives, 8 to lynch.

[Talapus]

Avadra KeDavotacounta:


Kalishnikov (4) Mandy, ga7, koesen, Dustn.

14 alives, 8 to lynch.

Some one apparently ate some "magical" Bertie Bott's Beans...lol

[nagerous]

3. I am torn between voting for LSU (on account of my insane theories), Fircoal (on account of my insane dreams) and Nagerus (on account of him acting like someon who real wants to survive so that he could NK people). I have to think more about this.


I was first to vote neutrino and also he kept trying to bandwagon on me along with fircoal when you were initially posting your strange theory. I would like to survive of course, doesn't everyone prefer not to be lynched and also partly because I feel my role is pretty important .

[got tonkaed]

Buy all means feel free to investigate me mystery cop. I have nothing to hide. As for my actions yesterday, well, I wasn't on much. However I believe I backed up my votes well enough to stand on their own merit. I do agree with the current arguement about Kalish though. But I don't think we need to speed lynch. So for now. FOS Kalish.

there really is nothing about the way this post reads that suggests townie. From the language to the intent it seems pretty scummish to me, and seemingly unnecessarily so given the situation.

[freezie]

Avadra KeDavotacounta:


Kalishnikov (4) Mandy, ga7, koesen, Dustn.

14 alives, 8 to lynch.

Some one apparently ate some "magical" Bertie Bott's Beans...lol

Nope..I prefer the chocofrogs

[nagerous]

Vote talapus in regards to his actions the day before, I can't be bothered to reiterate points already made by ga and the like. In regards to the kalishnikov lead I'm not convinced, it just sounds like hes not lost his wand yet that he started with and is skimming. As far as I'm aware the stealing is played by all roles be they pro-town or scum as freezie said I think the wands were given out randomly at the beginning of the game, so me stealing the tracking wand from syzygy night one doesn't necessarily clear him in my opinion.

[kalishnikov]

I completely forgot about the rule that says if you don't have a wand you can steal one. And as nagerous said, I've still got the wand I started with so I've had no reason to meddle with stealing any so I never looked into it. I'm not a big HP fan like most of you so I've got nothing when it comes to wand names and characters and stuff, I've just been trying to work the actual gameplay angle and disregard that which I don't understand (i.e., wands and spells and such).

How does it make any sense that I'm scum based on the fact I forgot a rule which I read a weak or more ago and haven't dealt with at all? That's just kinda stupid, if you ask me. But since mandalorian says it, it will be bandwagoned upon...

Btw, FOS: dustin, Koesen. At least mandalorian/ga7's vote have some kind of reasoning behind them, not just parroting what was said before them.

[kalishnikov]

as far as i know stealing wands is role aligned particularly

fwiw....elder wands are like the wands which are better and the spell is one of the unforgivables specifically the one that kills people.

Oh look, g_t must be scum, he thinks steal wands is role-aligned! Lynch him!

[/end sarcasm]

[mandalorian2298]

Ok I know it might be unwise but I gotta ask. I got my wand stolen last night, but automatically got a new one. Did it happen to anyone else? Setting wise, I'm pretty lost on if it's a good or bad one
Anyway, I'm mostly worried because of the role "wandmaker apprentice" pcm had. I think scum might have the ability to create wands that can screw the town somehow.

And Kalish, I've seen better comebacks. It's not over till the fat lady sings

Yes my tracking wand which was broken, the one I stole from syzygy on night one got stolen this night, which was good because if you have a broken wand it doesn't work and you can't get a new one so I was pleased it was stolen and also hence the reason I believed mandy's dream because I was a tracker!!!

Well, that makes me feel all better about my using Voldmort's Wand on Fircoal ('Crucio', he can't vote today and is role-blocked for the next Night).

Unvote
vote Fircoal as our fallback option. Also, it would be a lot cooler if we find Scum based on my dream, then if we find one based on a scum tell.

P.S. Forget my 'Luna' comment. I might have been a bit to eager with my conclusions.

[Fircoal]

great, we're trusting in dreams again. all I can say is I'm not scum, I'll claim if I get enough votes.

[ga7]

Well, I kinda believe Kalish as personally I had to reread my role to realize that. Plus he has a bad memory
Unvote Vote Tal Basically, either we lynch him now, or I kill him tonight. I'd rather go through the lynch process, but all in all I really don't think he's town either. Gotta wonder though, why no votes GT?

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Unvote Vote Talapus I also agree wtih ga that Tal basically has just been crusading on trying to get fircoal lynched on day 1 and find doubt in him not having his wand stolen. In a game like this I would imagine that quite a few of us have had a wand stolen already or at least broken somehow.

[Talapus]

Wow, out of all the options people agreed were better for a lynch, it's rather sad to see them all jump on a townie. Not only that, but an awful lot of you seem to think I started out with a wand. Hmm. an awful lot of conclusions based on nothing. It's also nice to know ga7 has confirmed he can kill people at night . I have no intention of claiming unless I have to because I fear it may endanger one other townie in the process. I'm fine with being investigated tonight which is what I said. The fact that GT doesn't even feel like waiting to see what role or alignment I am after being investigated suggests strongly that you are scum. As for the bandwagon that's now forming. Well, congratulations all the reasons you hated 4 people yesterday for jumping on bandwagons if exactly what certain players are doing now. Yet, I don't see suspicion falling their way. Nice double standard Hogwarts. I'll claim if I have too, but for now, FOS GT.

[Talapus]

Well, I kinda believe Kalish as personally I had to reread my role to realize that. Plus he has a bad memory
Unvote Vote Tal Basically, either we lynch him now, or I kill him tonight. I'd rather go through the lynch process, but all in all I really don't think he's town either. Gotta wonder though, why no votes GT?

I really do love the fact that you are giving the town an ultimatum. Yet surprise surpise, no one jumped on that either. It is now rather apparent that there are a few deatheaters left amongst us. When and if I have to claim, my wish is that the town doesn't forget this statement because I think I may not live through the night.