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limiting feedback for excessive negs

Postby PLAYER57832 on Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:06 am

What about penalizing folks with excessive negative feedback by not allowing them to neg others? You could either use a "straight" number -- say 25 or 30 negs. OR you could build in a "qualifier". Require anyone with over 20 negs to earn at least 60 positives, say, before they can use the feedback system again.

Some few folks seem to be using neg for straight retaliation for losses or their own negs (even well-deserved). Though folks who play a lot of games can rack up a fair number of negs with no real justification, when people start getting 20 and 30 ... something is going on. Though I don't expect you to be our "Nanny", neither should these few jerks be allowed to ruin the "reputation" of everyone they play just because they think it is funny or because they have a bad attitude themselves. I realize that some folks even consider this bashing "part of the game". That's fine as long as everyone is on the same page. However, why should someone like (well, skip the name, but let's just say someone with over 20 negs to only 40 pos right now) be able to neg someone with 70 positive and NO negs just because they lost? OR to neg someone who is just starting out. Also, at some point allowing these idiots to keep negging just defeats legitimate negs.

Currently, the only way to avoid these folks is to only enter games as the last person or only play private games -- pretty limiting options. To put someone on the ignore list, you have to know who they are in advance. Generally, that means you have already played a game with them .. by which time, it is sometimes too late to avoid a neg. You could argue that unwarranted negs don't really matter because anyone reading them and seeing the rater can tell who is reasonable and who isn't, but that takes a lot of extra time. Also, if negs are not going to matter, then why even have them? You have them because they DO matter -- at least to those who use it legitimately

It is tempting to ask for a game option "let's be nice" or "no swearing" . However, the reality is that some folks would just use that as an excuse to go in and be as obnoxious as possible. (say, maybe an "obnoxious game" option might work ????). The ignore button helps, but you have to know someone exists to use it. The big remaining, solveable problem is abuse of feedback. This would be a way to help solve that without requiring you to go in and interfere in any but the MOST serious cases (actual threats of violence, for example)


This would be a way to deal with those folks who just plain have no use for the feedback system and choose to ruin for others, for those who's behavior might not be quite bad enough to actually kick out, or it could be used to reinforce a warning you give to folks in danger of being kicked out.

This won't keep out all unwarranted negs. Folks who play lots of games will probably still get them and they will, in turn, more or less balance out with the many positives they will also likely receive. For that matter, even someone with 70 positives can have a bad day and maybe DESERVE a neg. However, there are enough "jerks" out there to ruin the system/"reputation" of the rest. This will keep those few people from ruining the whole system while still allowing those who like the aggressiveness and back-biting to pursue their own games.
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Postby Herakilla on Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:12 am

hmmm make it a ratio and its a good idea, i assume many of these feedbacks get removed by the mods anyway so y not stop at least some of them?
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Postby cena-rules on Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:18 am

this wouldnt work because certain people are just bad players but still nice and get negs for bad strategy. Therefore they wouldnt be able too give out feedback.

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Postby alex_white101 on Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:42 am

I have alot of negs but ive given very very few.
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Postby Herakilla on Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:44 am

thats cuz every who plays you seems to hate you in general lol
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Postby alex_white101 on Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:46 am

Herakilla wrote:thats cuz every who plays you seems to hate you in general lol


u clearly didnt read any of my negs, all for deadbeating when i had a sitter in for me (altho i cant prove it - not that i feel i need to) so i can handle it :P
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why neg for bad play??

Postby PLAYER57832 on Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:50 am

Cena, you are suggesting that someone who plays badly ought to get negative feedback??? The rank will take care of that. Neg feedback should be for truly negative stuff .

Based on looking at ALL neg and much positive feedback for over 200 people (not just those I have played), that view seems in the extreme minority and for some very good reasons.

Strategy is individual and varied. Who can say, in just 1 game or even a few, whether someone's strategy is truly bad or just different from your own. Even if it is "bad" strategy, so what? A classic example is in Chess. I believe it was Bobby Fischer who won the world championship by using a start that is classically considered a "beginners start" or a "bad start". Similarly, beginners sometimes win because they don't follow the "rules". If you don't want bad play, then stick to people in your own ranking or above and never EVER try a new board! Don't neg someone. There are too many variables, too much independent choice, too much chance of the dice.
At most, bad play might get a nuetral -- a failure to give pos, but a neg??? NEVER!!!!
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Re: why neg for bad play??

Postby cena-rules on Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:01 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:Cena, you are suggesting that someone who plays badly ought to get negative feedback??? The rank will take care of that. Neg feedback should be for truly negative stuff .

Based on looking at ALL neg and much positive feedback for over 200 people (not just those I have played), that view seems in the extreme minority and for some very good reasons.

Strategy is individual and varied. Who can say, in just 1 game or even a few, whether someone's strategy is truly bad or just different from your own. Even if it is "bad" strategy, so what? A classic example is in Chess. I believe it was Bobby Fischer who won the world championship by using a start that is classically considered a "beginners start" or a "bad start". Similarly, beginners sometimes win because they don't follow the "rules". If you don't want bad play, then stick to people in your own ranking or above and never EVER try a new board! Don't neg someone. There are too many variables, too much independent choice, too much chance of the dice.
At most, bad play might get a nuetral -- a failure to give pos, but a neg??? NEVER!!!!


of course im not suggesting it but Im saying it happens. Also this is taking away something form the site for people. How would you feel if you were a premium member and couldnt play speed game?
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Postby jennifermarie on Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:48 pm

Please use the form for suggestions such as this.


I personally don't agree with this idea, some people get negs through no real fault of their own: i.e. negs for bad strategy, which i don't agree with because a strategy might have been well planned, just poorly executed possibly due to uncontrollable variables such as the dice.
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didn't suggest limiting games, only feedback access

Postby PLAYER57832 on Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:02 pm

I did not suggest limiting games, just feedback access or even just negative feedback access. However, allowing people to de-select folks with high negative ratings would not be that different from the individual ignore list, just bigger. If someone doesn't want to be there, then all they have to do is watch their manners.

Another option might be to cancel someone's negative feedback priviliage after giving a certain number or percentage of retaliatory/unwarranted feedback. The problem with that is A. proving it B. requires someone to file a complaint and then time to investigate. Often its obvious, but not always. Seems too time-consuming

I suggested this because I keep seeing the same people giving neg comments over and over. I have learned to just ignore feedback from those folks, but that requires actually opening up the feedback and reading it, not just looking at the rating. I HAVE seen individual negs for performance, but they are rare. I have not seen anyone get 20 negs for "poor performance". The only people I have seen with 20 0r more negs (or, say, a minimum of 20 and then 30%) are those who either seem to consider insults and retaliatory feedback to be "part of the game" or who just are "nasty" individuals.

I realize that there are policies in place to remove these individuals or thier feedback if it gets too bad, but there is a lot of grey area and I think some people actually LIKE this kind of antagonism. By limiting feedback access, it would just keep them from "fouling the system". And, when needed, maybe serve as an initial warning -- first you get cut off from feedback, then you get cut off from all games. Let folks be negative in chat if they like, just keep it generally out of feedback.
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Postby Anarkistsdream on Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:04 pm

Sorry, but friends on the forum give each other negs to be funny.

Read Norse's, or mine, or B.K. barunt...

They are jokes... If you start penalizing people for that, it would be bullshit.
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Postby Twill on Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:43 pm

Mods do have the power to shut someone's ability to leave feedback off.

we switch it off if people are abusing the system...I don't know if an auto-cut off would work in all situations...
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Postby PLAYER57832 on Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:21 am

YOu have made my point very nicely. If you want to cut each other down, and make ajoke of feedback, that's up to you. But you don't have the right to ruin it for everybody else. The place for this is Chat, not feedback. Feedback is not "just for the players", it is an evaluation for everybody to see.
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