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Postby Guiscard on Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:09 am

TheTheft wrote: we would just make times for commercials

the whole game might be 2 hours long but we would make it 2:30 minutes long or even 3 hours


The game is 90 minutes. Two halves of 45 minutes each. No more no less. You could get away with a longer half time, probably, but anything else just isn't cricket, sir.
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Postby Jamie on Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:31 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:
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Aesop Jones wrote:In the spirit of the Red Sox, is there a baseball team anywhere that could hold a candle without needing one of these things to happen?

1) The Central American / Carribean players defecting to play against an all-American Boston team

2) An all-Japan team that would remove Matsuzaka / Okajima from their bullpen

3) A baseball that is actually an RC plane

And as for American football, well, nobody else really cares about it. And our rugby team is a hilarious failure.


I think that's kind of what they're asking for. Of course then we could combine all of our teams into one, and that would be just insane. They have a point that we haven't actually played other teams for it, but it just isn't realistic. Only a few other countries are actually interested in baseball and it would be very one-sided.


Indeed. Really, the USA is probably the best country out there when it comes to baseball, american football and basketball, but that's more because the rest of the world isn't really into those sports anyway.



If that is true, why do so many players from these sports come from other countries??
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Postby Frigidus on Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:40 pm

Jamie wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
Aesop Jones wrote:In the spirit of the Red Sox, is there a baseball team anywhere that could hold a candle without needing one of these things to happen?

1) The Central American / Carribean players defecting to play against an all-American Boston team

2) An all-Japan team that would remove Matsuzaka / Okajima from their bullpen

3) A baseball that is actually an RC plane

And as for American football, well, nobody else really cares about it. And our rugby team is a hilarious failure.


I think that's kind of what they're asking for. Of course then we could combine all of our teams into one, and that would be just insane. They have a point that we haven't actually played other teams for it, but it just isn't realistic. Only a few other countries are actually interested in baseball and it would be very one-sided.


Indeed. Really, the USA is probably the best country out there when it comes to baseball, american football and basketball, but that's more because the rest of the world isn't really into those sports anyway.



If that is true, why do so many players from these sports come from other countries??


Because there's not enough of a following outside the US. The only big exception is Japan and baseball.
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Postby Jamie on Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:22 pm

Frigidus wrote:
Jamie wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
Aesop Jones wrote:In the spirit of the Red Sox, is there a baseball team anywhere that could hold a candle without needing one of these things to happen?

1) The Central American / Carribean players defecting to play against an all-American Boston team

2) An all-Japan team that would remove Matsuzaka / Okajima from their bullpen

3) A baseball that is actually an RC plane

And as for American football, well, nobody else really cares about it. And our rugby team is a hilarious failure.


I think that's kind of what they're asking for. Of course then we could combine all of our teams into one, and that would be just insane. They have a point that we haven't actually played other teams for it, but it just isn't realistic. Only a few other countries are actually interested in baseball and it would be very one-sided.


Indeed. Really, the USA is probably the best country out there when it comes to baseball, american football and basketball, but that's more because the rest of the world isn't really into those sports anyway.



If that is true, why do so many players from these sports come from other countries??


Because there's not enough of a following outside the US. The only big exception is Japan and baseball.


Ok, that just didn't make sense. I asked why there are so many players from OTHER countries outside the US playing these spots for US based teams, and baseball has a huge following outside the US. Canada, Mexico, Central America, the caribbean, and nearly all of S America have huge baseball fan bases. MLB has dabbled with the idea of putting a team in Mexico, or Puerto Rico.
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Postby Guiscard on Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:10 pm

Jamie wrote:Ok, that just didn't make sense. I asked why there are so many players from OTHER countries outside the US playing these spots for US based teams, and baseball has a huge following outside the US. Canada, Mexico, Central America, the caribbean, and nearly all of S America have huge baseball fan bases. MLB has dabbled with the idea of putting a team in Mexico, or Puerto Rico.


Because no-one plays it at home and you can't earn a wage with your talent.

Baseball HASN'T got a huge following outside the US. Nothing compared to something like football.
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Postby sfhbballnut on Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:16 pm

well technically most sports that call their winners world champions are purely american sports, or at the very least the exact same version of that game is only played in america, subtle differences make them different and thus they are unique. its a good point though gotta play the world to be called the best
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Postby MeDeFe on Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:27 am

Guiscard wrote:
Jamie wrote:Ok, that just didn't make sense. I asked why there are so many players from OTHER countries outside the US playing these spots for US based teams, and baseball has a huge following outside the US. Canada, Mexico, Central America, the caribbean, and nearly all of S America have huge baseball fan bases. MLB has dabbled with the idea of putting a team in Mexico, or Puerto Rico.

Because no-one plays it at home and you can't earn a wage with your talent.

Baseball HASN'T got a huge following outside the US. Nothing compared to something like football.

That might be because the american teams are all buying up the good players as soon as they can get them.
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Postby Iliad on Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:40 am

Jamie wrote:
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Jamie wrote:The World Series does involve the world. Name one team in major League baseball that doesn't have players from at least five different countries.


That's the exact same thing with the teams in the Champions League. (Five different countries is actually not that much there.) But the team that wins the Champions League isn't the world champion. Because they haven't competed with all the teams from around the world.


It's pointless. No one has mentioned the most important thing I've said. If the Boston Red Sox played ANY other team outside of Major League baseball, that team would get slaughtered by at least 20 runs if not 40-50 runs. The Boston Red Sox are world champions because there isn't a team outside the majors who could defeat them even if they were to play 100 games. The Red Sox would be 100-0, having won every game by 20 runs or more. Why would they play foreign champions. It would be like A European soccer team playing the MLS champion to be called a world champion. The MLS team would lose by 10 goals or more. And to whoever said the World cup determines the world champion, that's stupid. The European soccer championship team would tear through Italy. Teams assembled by talent rather than nationality are far better.

1)But that's purely hypothetical. I can say that because I can beat the neighbour in soccer I'm world champion because I would win every time against anyone. But I won't will I?

2) For your information
a) Italy won the World cup :wink:
b) they have strong championship teams
3) You're missing the point. World champions are not people who won in their division and who probably would beat everyone else. It's a team which beats every other country.
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Postby Iliad on Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:44 am

Jamie wrote:
Titanic wrote:
Jamie wrote:
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Jamie wrote:The World Series does involve the world. Name one team in major League baseball that doesn't have players from at least five different countries.


That's the exact same thing with the teams in the Champions League. (Five different countries is actually not that much there.) But the team that wins the Champions League isn't the world champion. Because they haven't competed with all the teams from around the world.


It's pointless. No one has mentioned the most important thing I've said. If the Boston Red Sox played ANY other team outside of Major League baseball, that team would get slaughtered by at least 20 runs if not 40-50 runs. The Boston Red Sox are world champions because there isn't a team outside the majors who could defeat them even if they were to play 100 games. The Red Sox would be 100-0, having won every game by 20 runs or more. Why would they play foreign champions. It would be like A European soccer team playing the MLS champion to be called a world champion. The MLS team would lose by 10 goals or more. And to whoever said the World cup determines the world champion, that's stupid. The European soccer championship team would tear through Italy. Teams assembled by talent rather than nationality are far better.


I think your missing the point. Baseball is purely a North American sport. You should only be a world champion if the sport is a world sport (ie football, tennis, cycling, rowing etc...). Obviously the exact definition of a "world sport" is a bit flexible, but baseball is not one under any definition.


baseball is not a world sport???? I would say it ranks second only to soccer. There is as I recall a Baseball world cup now. I believe Japan won it. It is the most popular sport overall in North America, especially in Central America. It is the #1 sport in the Caribbean besting even soccer, and is also the #1 sport in Japan. I will admit, it isn't popular on the Asian mainland, Africa, nor Europe, but it is extremely popular in all of the Americas, and surrounding Islands, as well as Japan. Before anyone tries to debate my most popular sport in North America comment, yes I konw that football is #1 in the US, and Hockey is #1 in Canada (funny that most NHL teams are in the US where people don't give a shit. Kinda of like movng Maor League baseball to Europe), and Soccer is #1 in Mexico, but North America as a whole calls baseball it's #1 sport. Baseball is almost as much a world sport as soccer. The western half of the world loves baseball, and the eastern half loves soccer. And to whoever said the old Brazil team could beat the Champions League team, that comment is so just wrong, I can't even fit it in my head. The only comment I can think to that is LOL.

1) Baseball isn't really popular in Australia either. Which means it's not in Asia, Africa or Europe. So basically just America and Japan

2)So the number one sport in North America is football but North America calls baseball the no #1 spot. Please explain how that makes any sense

3)So there the western part of the world: America and japan enjoy it, while the "eastern part" : everyone else don't?

d) Please it is obvious you know absolutely nothing about football. The national brazil team would smash a Championship League team. Except for Chelsea(hint: I'm a chelsea fan). :lol:
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Postby Guiscard on Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:18 am

MeDeFe wrote:
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Jamie wrote:Ok, that just didn't make sense. I asked why there are so many players from OTHER countries outside the US playing these spots for US based teams, and baseball has a huge following outside the US. Canada, Mexico, Central America, the caribbean, and nearly all of S America have huge baseball fan bases. MLB has dabbled with the idea of putting a team in Mexico, or Puerto Rico.

Because no-one plays it at home and you can't earn a wage with your talent.

Baseball HASN'T got a huge following outside the US. Nothing compared to something like football.

That might be because the american teams are all buying up the good players as soon as they can get them.


No. We don't have teams or the interest. If I was good at baseball in the UK, like even moderately good (say in America I'd be playing for a team who would never be considered 'good', usually finish really low down in competitions) then there literally would be no-where for me to play. No-where. We don't have baseball pitches, we don't have clubs... It just isn't popular. American football is perhaps a tiny bit more popular, but we still don't really play it (perhaps a few teams at an amateur level - you'd get a game every three weeks on the weekends). I don't think you're understanding.... Baseball doesn't really exist outside of the American continent.
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Postby MeDeFe on Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:30 am

Which might be because there are no good players left outside of America. A lack of competent players and a lack of interest go hand in hand. If there's nothing to watch you'll never get people interested and if people aren't interested there's no reason for those who are moderately competent to stick around when there are better opportunities on the other side of the ocean.
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Postby Optimus Prime on Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:39 am

The NHL doesn't call themselves world champions, just Stanley Cup Champions. :)
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Postby Guiscard on Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:45 am

MeDeFe wrote:Which might be because there are no good players left outside of America. A lack of competent players and a lack of interest go hand in hand. If there's nothing to watch you'll never get people interested and if people aren't interested there's no reason for those who are moderately competent to stick around when there are better opportunities on the other side of the ocean.


No. You're not getting me. WE DON'T HAVE THE SPORT WHATSOEVER. It simply isn't the case that the reason for the underdevelopment of the sport is that you take all the good players. We suck up foreign Football and Rugby players but that doesn't mean that those sports aren't popular at home in, for example, the pacific islands. it could account for a certain amount of underdevelopment, but certainly not the complete lack of presence. We just don't like Baseball, neither do the majority of people outside North America. We play it in school as part of Physical Education, or at least we play rounders and softball, but the vast vast vast majority of people have no desire whatsoever to take it forward after that. Face it. It isn't a world sport.
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Postby alex_white101 on Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:54 am

Guiscard wrote:
MeDeFe wrote:Which might be because there are no good players left outside of America. A lack of competent players and a lack of interest go hand in hand. If there's nothing to watch you'll never get people interested and if people aren't interested there's no reason for those who are moderately competent to stick around when there are better opportunities on the other side of the ocean.


No. You're not getting me. WE DON'T HAVE THE SPORT WHATSOEVER. It simply isn't the case that the reason for the underdevelopment of the sport is that you take all the good players. We suck up foreign Football and Rugby players but that doesn't mean that those sports aren't popular at home in, for example, the pacific islands. it could account for a certain amount of underdevelopment, but certainly not the complete lack of presence. We just don't like Baseball, neither do the majority of people outside North America. We play it in school as part of Physical Education, or at least we play rounders and softball, but the vast vast vast majority of people have no desire whatsoever to take it forward after that. Face it. It isn't a world sport.


baseball sucks, its so boring. as is american football (wat a retarded name by the way) , i mean the game lasts frigging ages and they have 10 minute breaks every 48 seconds, play proper games like football, rugby, and cricket.
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Postby alex_white101 on Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:57 am

ignotus wrote:So where are all your all-star NBA players every World Basketball Cup?
Oh, yes and your so called World Series... Who is actually world champion in baseball? JAPAN!!!
You don't play rugby world cups (you have your own version for which you stole the name football, although you carry the ball in your HANDS most of the time).
And in real football (European) you suck big time!
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