Democratic primary debate.

[jay_a2j]

I take it you haven't gone to Ron Paul's website. Paul could beat any of the dems. Did I mention Ron Paul '08!!!!!!?

Jay, I'm afraid you've gotten caught up in the Ron Paul hysteria. I'm assuming you're a conservative. I could show you the differences if you're willing to engage in a discussion on this man. I know you are a well-meaning individual and very passionate with your beliefs.

I would be happy to discuss this with you.

[luns101]

I would be happy to discuss this with you.

Without visiting any candidate's website can you describe your position on abortion?

[jay_a2j]

I would be happy to discuss this with you.

Without visiting any candidate's website can you describe your position on abortion?

Abortion is wrong except in cases of life of the mother.

[luns101]

Abortion is wrong except in cases of life of the mother.

So I'm assuming that you would support a law which penalized doctor's who performed abortions for minors who traveled from one state to another in order to have the abortion performed without parental consent?

I am also assuming that you would support a law which would make it a separate federal offense to cause death or bodily injury to an unborn child during the commission of certain federal crimes.

Can I also assume that you would support a law which would penalize those who would alter an embryo in order to produce human cloning?

[jay_a2j]

Abortion is wrong except in cases of life of the mother.

So I'm assuming that you would support a law which penalized doctor's who performed abortions for minors who traveled from one state to another in order to have the abortion performed without parental consent?

I am also assuming that you would support a law which would make it a separate federal offense to cause death or bodily injury to an unborn child during the commission of certain federal crimes.

Can I also assume that you would support a law which would penalize those who would alter an embryo in order to produce human cloning?

I'm not sure where you are going with this but unless Christ himself runs for President no candidate will be perfect. Ron Paul however, is the best choice of the bunch. I live in an imperfect world and will have to tolerate some things I am against.

[-ShadySoul-]

I would be happy to discuss this with you.

Without visiting any candidate's website can you describe your position on abortion?

i would love to join this debate

I am against abortion in any form, especially minors. It should be a criminal offense to give abortion to any underage women, and doctors that do give abortion should be faced with federal charges. Those that are thinking about an abortion, should have thought twice before making mistakes. And there are always foster homes, and by the way, conditions in the foster homes should be improved, and its budget increased

[luns101]

I'm not sure where you are going with this but unless Christ himself runs for President no candidate will be perfect. Ron Paul however, is the best choice of the bunch. I live in an imperfect world and will have to tolerate some things I am against.

I think you know that I'm going to show you specific legislation that Ron Paul voted against. Yes, we live in an imperfect world. You and I tolerate things which we are against to a certain point. It's not just abortion, Jay. I think you have been caught up in a wave of Ron Paul-isms.

When it seems like the bunch of Republican candidates are not courageous enough to stand against the monolithic liberal Clintonistas, of course we look to someone (heck - anyone). I'm telling you that Ron Paul is not who you think he is. It can be shown by his voting record. I know you think you're supporting a good person, jay. Unfortunately, I don't think that you and Ron Paul share the same values. Don't just listen to what he says...take a look at his voting record.

If you still decide to support him that's your choice of course. I just don't think that you would if you knew what he truly believed in and the type of people who have endorsed him.

[reverend_kyle]

I like Gravel and Kucinich equally, the one thing I can say for Kucinich is he is being taken more seriously than Gravel. Gravel says what he thinks though, as opposed to P.R. approved responses(aka cunton)

See what you did there with the Clinton = "Cunton." Classy. I should add that I really like Gravel and Kucinich too (saw Dennis when he dropped by Amherst 3 years ago) but I really wish that the candidates who know they've absolutely no shot at the nomination, or even a veep or cabinet nod (you can add Biden to that list,for sure) would have the dignity to drop out. But since running for president means people need to pay attention to you and put you on television (even if you're Joe Biden) no-shots stay in the race.

I wish people took them more seriously to cause the front runners to take a stance on some issues.

[reverend_kyle]

Hey Kyle, you will be able to vote by the elections, correct?

Any ideas who you'll vote for?

And what will you register as when you turn 18?

It depends on who wins the primaries.

Since Kucinich doesn't have a chance it's clearly Obama. I wouldn't mind McCain either, but I think he's got about the same chance as Kucinich.

I'd register as Green party in Idaho as it's an open primary anyways. I figure I could register for a new party if I move to a state with a closed primary, and in that case it'd be democrat.

[jay_a2j]

in that case it'd be democrat.

Shocker there! [/sarcasm]

[jay_a2j]

I'm not sure where you are going with this but unless Christ himself runs for President no candidate will be perfect. Ron Paul however, is the best choice of the bunch. I live in an imperfect world and will have to tolerate some things I am against.

I think you know that I'm going to show you specific legislation that Ron Paul voted against. Yes, we live in an imperfect world. You and I tolerate things which we are against to a certain point. It's not just abortion, Jay. I think you have been caught up in a wave of Ron Paul-isms.

When it seems like the bunch of Republican candidates are not courageous enough to stand against the monolithic liberal Clintonistas, of course we look to someone (heck - anyone). I'm telling you that Ron Paul is not who you think he is. It can be shown by his voting record. I know you think you're supporting a good person, jay. Unfortunately, I don't think that you and Ron Paul share the same values. Don't just listen to what he says...take a look at his voting record.

If you still decide to support him that's your choice of course. I just don't think that you would if you knew what he truly believed in and the type of people who have endorsed him.

Well, I've reviewed it HERE and although a few things I take exception to most I agree with. Keep in mind that Ron Paul is against abortion personally, but thinks the issue should be settled at the State level. I guess its the Constitution thing. And furthermore....WHO running for President has a more favorable record? WHO has a more consistent record? <crickets>

[Neutrino]

in that case it'd be democrat.

Shocker there! [/sarcasm]

Judging from roughly everything you have ever posted on this site, you have no non-hypocritical ground to stand on with this statement.

[Guiscard]

I take it you haven't gone to Ron Paul's website. Paul could beat any of the dems. Did I mention Ron Paul '08!!!!!!?

Jay, I'm afraid you've gotten caught up in the Ron Paul hysteria. I'm assuming you're a conservative. I could show you the differences if you're willing to engage in a discussion on this man. I know you are a well-meaning individual and very passionate with your beliefs.

Good luck... you've probably got more chance convincing me and Norse to agree, Luns...

[luns101]

Well, I've reviewed it HERE and although a few things I take exception to most I agree with. Keep in mind that Ron Paul is against abortion personally, but thinks the issue should be settled at the State level. I guess its the Constitution thing. And furthermore....WHO running for President has a more favorable record? WHO has a more consistent record? <crickets>

Nobody is going to match up 100% of what you want. Some candidates, however, are further from what you believe than others. From reading your posts here for the past year and also in the Jesus Freaks forum, I doubt you would vote for him if you knew his entire worldview.

You should know that he has said some borderline racist things in his past in 1992. When confronted with that he claims that someone else wrote it. He abdicates the responsibility of overviewing his own newsletter. He has consistently voted against legislation that hailed the 1964 Civil Rights Act & awarding Rosa Parks the Congressional Gold Medal of Honor. He consistently uses the excuse of "let's not spend federal money" for these things. There are even white supremacists who endorse him, Jay. He has yet to return their contributions to his campaign. When confronted with this, his people simply say that they have no control over who supports him. Paul or his people could always ask for his widget graphic to be removed from their website, but they haven't. He should once and for all publicly condemn these people and disassociate himself from them. Wouldn't you agree?

Stormfront White Supremacist's Website

Jay, I believe the reason many people are so hyped on Ron Paul is because he is extremely vocal in his opposition to Hillary Clinton & other liberals. He can almost always be heard saying something like, "let's take a look at the Constitution, shall we?!!" It all sounds so good because most of the leadership in the Republican Party seem cowardly. Not Ron Paul...he goes straight after them, so I understand the admiration for him. A closer look tells a different story, Jay.

[Nobunaga]

... Hillary is trying to show that she is moving toward "the center". When she's done she can point at Obama and Edwards and say, "I'm not one of these lefties. I am for all Americans, and we need to work together to bring back the stability we once knew".

... It worked for Bill. It's a good plan... if she can pull it off.

... Then all those semi-conservative, not too sure what they are women will vote for her... because Hillary's a woman and that's good enough reason for them.

... She'll take NY if that illegal immigrant license deal goes through.

... and that's a big state to win.

...

[Frigidus]

... Hillary is trying to show that she is moving toward "the center". When she's done she can point at Obama and Edwards and say, "I'm not one of these lefties. I am for all Americans, and we need to work together to bring back the stability we once knew".

... It worked for Bill. It's a good plan... if she can pull it off.

... Then all those semi-conservative, not too sure what they are women will vote for her... because Hillary's a woman and that's good enough reason for them.

... She'll take NY if that illegal immigrant license deal goes through.

... and that's a big state to win.

...

She'll probably take New York either way. Of course I'm still hoping that she doesn't get nominated. She's unelectable.

[suggs]

hope clinton wins.
be nice for someone with a brain to lead the western world for a change.

Is Matt Santos in the running?

[jay_a2j]

Well, I've reviewed it HERE and although a few things I take exception to most I agree with. Keep in mind that Ron Paul is against abortion personally, but thinks the issue should be settled at the State level. I guess its the Constitution thing. And furthermore....WHO running for President has a more favorable record? WHO has a more consistent record? <crickets>

Nobody is going to match up 100% of what you want. Some candidates, however, are further from what you believe than others. From reading your posts here for the past year and also in the Jesus Freaks forum, I doubt you would vote for him if you knew his entire worldview.

You should know that he has said some borderline racist things in his past in 1992. When confronted with that he claims that someone else wrote it. He abdicates the responsibility of overviewing his own newsletter. He has consistently voted against legislation that hailed the 1964 Civil Rights Act & awarding Rosa Parks the Congressional Gold Medal of Honor. He consistently uses the excuse of "let's not spend federal money" for these things. There are even white supremacists who endorse him, Jay. He has yet to return their contributions to his campaign. When confronted with this, his people simply say that they have no control over who supports him. Paul or his people could always ask for his widget graphic to be removed from their website, but they haven't. He should once and for all publicly condemn these people and disassociate himself from them. Wouldn't you agree?

Stormfront White Supremacist's Website

Jay, I believe the reason many people are so hyped on Ron Paul is because he is extremely vocal in his opposition to Hillary Clinton & other liberals. He can almost always be heard saying something like, "let's take a look at the Constitution, shall we?!!" It all sounds so good because most of the leadership in the Republican Party seem cowardly. Not Ron Paul...he goes straight after them, so I understand the admiration for him. A closer look tells a different story, Jay.

Not that it matters. (I'm starting to think US elections are fixed) Look at what we have to choose from:

Hillary
Obama
Rudy


Hillary is a liberal moving right to pick up votes and pro-choice.
Obama is inexperienced and pro-choice.
Rudy is pro-choice


George W.Bush is pro-life yet nothing has changed during his terms.

Do you think Ron Paul will abolish the Civil Rights Act? I have seen his campaign video's with black supporters in them. Could we be jumping to conclusions about him.

Lets not forget the anti-Semite comments made by Hillary. The story of the black delivery guy who was told by Hillary to "come around to the back door" when she and Bill were still in Arkansas.


Like I said before...it's a moot point. The next president will be hand picked like all the ones before by those really in control. If Ron won...I have no doubts he would be killed.

[luns101]

George W.Bush is pro-life yet nothing has changed during his terms.

Jay, within 48 hours of his inauguration George W. Bush restored Ronald Reagan's Mexico City Policy which denied federal funds to NGO's which performed or actively encouraged abortions.

Second, he signed the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban. It was upheld as constitutional (4/18/2007).

Do you think Ron Paul will abolish the Civil Rights Act? I have seen his campaign video's with black supporters in them. Could we be jumping to conclusions about him.

I don't know if he would attempt to abolish the Civil Rights Act. But I'm willing to bet that he wouldn't try to uphold existing civil rights laws due to his pattern of not endorsing them in the first place. So African-Americans support Ron Paul!...there were Jews who supported Hitler (and also Mussolini) before they understood what he truly would become. Jay, I would be jumping to conclusions if I was only citing a one-time event in Ron Paul's life. He has a pattern of this which I've cited to you.

Lets not forget the anti-Semite comments made by Hillary. The story of the black delivery guy who was told by Hillary to "come around to the back door" when she and Bill were still in Arkansas.

I'm not disputing those. We're talking about Ron Paul.

If Ron won...I have no doubts he would be killed.

Not that it matters. (I'm starting to think US elections are fixed)

I would hope you wouldn't have such a conspiratorial outlook.

[mountainbill]

The reason nobody will drop out is that appearing in these debates only cost them a plane ticket and the cost of a motel 6.

[xtratabasco]

All in all Kucinich won the debate and made the most good points.


I'd like to see Kucinich v. Paul debate. The two backrunners duking it out.

I agree.

there the only 2 that want us out of Iraq and thats why they wont win, but im still backing Ron all the way.

I was for kucinich last time around

[spurgistan]

Richardson does too. You don't know about the guy? Seems like you and everybody else.

[xtratabasco]

Richardson does too. You don't know about the guy? Seems like you and everybody else.

yeah but he was pro illegals, until his constituents ringed his neck, so now just a hypocrit

[jay_a2j]

George W.Bush is pro-life yet nothing has changed during his terms.

Jay, within 48 hours of his inauguration George W. Bush restored Ronald Reagan's Mexico City Policy which denied federal funds to NGO's which performed or actively encouraged abortions.

Second, he signed the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban. It was upheld as constitutional (4/18/2007).

Do you think Ron Paul will abolish the Civil Rights Act? I have seen his campaign video's with black supporters in them. Could we be jumping to conclusions about him.

I don't know if he would attempt to abolish the Civil Rights Act. But I'm willing to bet that he wouldn't try to uphold existing civil rights laws due to his pattern of not endorsing them in the first place. So African-Americans support Ron Paul!...there were Jews who supported Hitler (and also Mussolini) before they understood what he truly would become. Jay, I would be jumping to conclusions if I was only citing a one-time event in Ron Paul's life. He has a pattern of this which I've cited to you.

Lets not forget the anti-Semite comments made by Hillary. The story of the black delivery guy who was told by Hillary to "come around to the back door" when she and Bill were still in Arkansas.

I'm not disputing those. We're talking about Ron Paul.

If Ron won...I have no doubts he would be killed.

Not that it matters. (I'm starting to think US elections are fixed)

I would hope you wouldn't have such a conspiratorial outlook.

He restored that which Regan put into effect. Not much change. Partial Birth....how many of all abortions fall into this category? Very few. And even many pro-choicers are against this. Presidents can have whatever beliefs they wish....does not make it automatic that they become law.

Out of curiosity...who do you support?

[got tonkaed]

im gonna guess hes brownback or huckabee...but ive occasionally been wrong.