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Postby Neutrino on Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:45 am

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Alright, so the thousands of people shooting at US troops and praying for our deaths in the Middle East are just bystanders that are innocents?


There's a great deal of difference between wishing you were dead and actually doing something about it...

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The reason I try to keep out of these topics is because everyone here is so goddamn set on their own opinions and wont open their minds at all. Ive said it before, the US aint a bunch of fucking angels, but neither are the people who planned crashing fucking planes into our country.


But the US claims to be...




P.S. I don't think you got the point of the comparison between terrorism and car-crash deaths. Terrorism has killed probably less than 10 000 US civilians in the last century, yet a billion a day is spent to combat it. Car's kill more than four times that each year, yet a mere pittance is spent (comparitavely) on reducing the problem.
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Postby xtratabasco on Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:58 am

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Serbia wrote:No kidding. At this point, we don't have to search for rockets to have reason to invade Iran. Facing facts, Iran is a greater threat to the world than Saddam was before we invaded Iraq. Iran is trying to get nukes, and they've already promised to bomb Israel with it. Even Europe (UK in particular) is talking about Iran as a serious threat. I'm confident that there will be a war involving the West and Iran in the near future. Iran is already fighting a proxy war against us in Iraq as it is, and these rockets are just more evidence of that fact. Anyone with understanding of the situation there knows that Iran has a very heavy hand not just in Iraq, but in the Syrian and Lebanese governments as well.



the Jews have over 100 nukes.

why dont they take care of their own problems?
Jews? what do you mean Jews? Do you mean Israelies? :roll:



I mean if the Jews can have nukes why cant the Iranians?



Because the Jews (Israelis) don't want to wipe Iran off the map? :roll:



your taking him out of context, show us where the leader of Iran said that and include the entire context, and I mispoke the Israelis have over 200 nukes
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Postby xtratabasco on Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:03 am

jay_a2j wrote:Lets keep it real eh? Israel is NOT an instigator in its conflicts! Recently 2 Israeli soldiers were kidnapped by Hezbollah so Israel retaliates and the world comes down on Israel! (If this happened to American troops, Bush would DO NOTHING in retaliation) News flash, much of the world has an anti-Israel bias. The facts remain, Israel defends itself and does not attack its neighbors without cause. (Unlike the US)



your just plane wrong.

I read that about 12 Palastinian children die for every 1 Israelie youve been fooled by the myths about the Jews, also we give them 36 billion a year. We need to let them do there own defense and stop participating in this war for Israel.
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Postby Serbia on Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:16 am

xtratabasco wrote:your just plane wrong.

I read that about 12 Palastinian children die for every 1 Israelie youve been fooled by the myths about the Jews, also we give them 36 billion a year. We need to let them do there own defense and stop participating in this war for Israel.


Xtra, I've read that you're a loathsome idiot, who should be ignored.

Lets not believe and quote everything that we've 'read', eh?
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Postby xtratabasco on Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:19 am

Serbia wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:your just plane wrong.

I read that about 12 Palastinian children die for every 1 Israelie youve been fooled by the myths about the Jews, also we give them 36 billion a year. We need to let them do there own defense and stop participating in this war for Israel.


Xtra, I've read that you're a loathsome idiot, who should be ignored.

Lets not believe and quote everything that we've 'read', eh?



fine, but theres more and more learning that the Jews are not as innocent as they proclaim.

and we still have no business doing their bidding, they can fight their own wars.
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Postby Serbia on Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:28 am

I'm all for letting the Israelis fight their own wars. They have, and do.
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Postby xtratabasco on Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:31 am

Serbia wrote:I'm all for letting the Israelis fight their own wars. They have, and do.



im glad we agree, now we need to stop giving them 36 billion a year.
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Postby heavycola on Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:53 am

xtratabasco wrote:your just plane wrong.


Sometimes your barely literate nonsense does produce a gem.
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Postby jay_a2j on Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:22 am

heavycola wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:your just plane wrong.


Sometimes your barely literate nonsense does produce a gem.



Now, only if HE wasn't "just plane wrong".


His Jewish hatred, is something Hitler would be proud of.



Xtra...wake up! It is not the Jews strapping bombs to themselves and boarding city buses. It is not the Jews who show TV programs to their children to incite hatred. It is not the Jews who seek, "to drive Israel into the sea", and " visions of the armies of Russia moving south to destroy Israel" {You might want to read Puttin's book}
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Postby Gypsys Kiss on Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:05 am

I beleive Americans have the right to bear arms and the right to defend their homes with those arms if needs be ( I'm English and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong).

If, by US standards, an Afghan uses a weapon to defend his home he is classed as a terrorist and sent to a prison camp on the other side of the world.

There is justice and there is American justice.
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Postby b.k. barunt on Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:12 pm

American "justice" is an oxymoron. America has long been the most hypocritical country on the planet, and traded the virtuous ideals it was founded on long ago in exchange for power. I love this country and would fight to the death to defend it, but i am ashamed of what we have become, and hate what that flag now stands for.
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Postby b.k. barunt on Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:18 pm

Btw xtra, you need to "go back and reread" the history of the Middle East from 1946 on. Israel sought peace with her neighbors from the beginning, and was attacked viciously on all sides by the Islamic countries who would not tolerate an "infidel" state in their midst. Our support of Israel is about the only thing i feel good about as far as our foreign policy in the Middle East. You are acting like the bigot you are accused of being.
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Postby xtratabasco on Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:18 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
heavycola wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:your just plane wrong.


Sometimes your barely literate nonsense does produce a gem.



Now, only if HE wasn't "just plane wrong".


His Jewish hatred, is something Hitler would be proud of.



Xtra...wake up! It is not the Jews strapping bombs to themselves and boarding city buses. It is not the Jews who show TV programs to their children to incite hatred. It is not the Jews who seek, "to drive Israel into the sea", and " visions of the armies of Russia moving south to destroy Israel" {You might want to read Puttin's book}



Its called self defense.

If russia invaded and stole our land then we would be doing the same as the palastinians.


now where is that quote in context that says Iran leader wants to wipe Israel off the map????????????????????????????????????????


lets see it, the whole article.
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Postby xtratabasco on Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:19 pm

b.k. barunt wrote:Btw xtra, you need to "go back and reread" the history of the Middle East from 1946 on. Israel sought peace with her neighbors from the beginning, and was attacked viciously on all sides by the Islamic countries who would not tolerate an "infidel" state in their midst. Our support of Israel is about the only thing i feel good about as far as our foreign policy in the Middle East. You are acting like the bigot you are accused of being.



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Postby jay_a2j on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:02 pm

xtratabasco wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
heavycola wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:your just plane wrong.


Sometimes your barely literate nonsense does produce a gem.



Now, only if HE wasn't "just plane wrong".


His Jewish hatred, is something Hitler would be proud of.



Xtra...wake up! It is not the Jews strapping bombs to themselves and boarding city buses. It is not the Jews who show TV programs to their children to incite hatred. It is not the Jews who seek, "to drive Israel into the sea", and " visions of the armies of Russia moving south to destroy Israel" {You might want to read Puttin's book}



Its called self defense.

If russia invaded and stole our land then we would be doing the same as the palastinians.


now where is that quote in context that says Iran leader wants to wipe Israel off the map????????????????????????????????????????


lets see it, the whole article.



No, its NOT self defense. This is why Israel attacks them....because they do stupid stuff like suicide bombers! Israel did not steal land. Israel was given to the Jews by God (see OT) they were scattered throughout the Earth and in 1948, after the second world war the land was given BACK to them.( Fulfilling Bible Prophecy I might add) History is your friend. :wink:


1. "Israel must be wiped off the map … The establishment of a Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world . . . The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of the war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land."
October 26, 2005
(In an address to 4,000 students at a program titled, 'The World Without Zionism')


For 29 more of these "gems" see:

http://timesonline.typepad.com/faith/2007/10/1-we-dont-shy-a.html
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Postby xtratabasco on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:39 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
heavycola wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:your just plane wrong.


Sometimes your barely literate nonsense does produce a gem.



Now, only if HE wasn't "just plane wrong".


His Jewish hatred, is something Hitler would be proud of.



Xtra...wake up! It is not the Jews strapping bombs to themselves and boarding city buses. It is not the Jews who show TV programs to their children to incite hatred. It is not the Jews who seek, "to drive Israel into the sea", and " visions of the armies of Russia moving south to destroy Israel" {You might want to read Puttin's book}



Its called self defense.

If russia invaded and stole our land then we would be doing the same as the palastinians.


now where is that quote in context that says Iran leader wants to wipe Israel off the map????????????????????????????????????????


lets see it, the whole article.



No, its NOT self defense. This is why Israel attacks them....because they do stupid stuff like suicide bombers! Israel did not steal land. Israel was given to the Jews by God (see OT) they were scattered throughout the Earth and in 1948, after the second world war the land was given BACK to them.( Fulfilling Bible Prophecy I might add) History is your friend. :wink:


1. "Israel must be wiped off the map … The establishment of a Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world . . . The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of the war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land."
October 26, 2005
(In an address to 4,000 students at a program titled, 'The World Without Zionism')


For 29 more of these "gems" see:

http://timesonline.typepad.com/faith/2007/10/1-we-dont-shy-a.html



can I please see a link from a news source and not a religous one
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Postby xtratabasco on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:40 pm

b.k. barunt wrote:Btw xtra, you need to "go back and reread" the history of the Middle East from 1946 on. Israel sought peace with her neighbors from the beginning, and was attacked viciously on all sides by the Islamic countries who would not tolerate an "infidel" state in their midst. Our support of Israel is about the only thing i feel good about as far as our foreign policy in the Middle East. You are acting like the bigot you are accused of being.


Ill study history while you study this link

http://www.ussliberty.org
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Postby Snorri1234 on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:43 pm

heavycola wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:your just plane wrong.


Sometimes your barely literate nonsense does produce a gem.


Oh man, I just laughed out loud at that.
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Postby jay_a2j on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:53 pm

xtratabasco wrote:
Ill study history while you study this link

http://www.ussliberty.org



Yeah, we give them 36 Billion a year and they "attack us". Get real. You will believe ANYTHING you read that fits into your twisted view of things. :roll:
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Postby xtratabasco on Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:54 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:
Ill study history while you study this link

http://www.ussliberty.org



Yeah, we give them 36 Billion a year and they "attack us". Get real. You will believe ANYTHING you read that fits into your twisted view of things. :roll:



spend more time on it bozo
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Postby jay_a2j on Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:11 pm

xtratabasco wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:
Ill study history while you study this link

http://www.ussliberty.org



Yeah, we give them 36 Billion a year and they "attack us". Get real. You will believe ANYTHING you read that fits into your twisted view of things. :roll:



spend more time on it bozo




Can I get another source for this...maybe a news agency or perhaps Spain or France? You do realize anyone can post anything on the internet. Where is the proof???????


(there is none, but what xtra reads, he believes....if it falls within the confines of Jew hating)
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Postby The1exile on Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:31 pm

xtratabasco wrote:your just plane wrong.


the irony of xtra saying "plane wrong" is overwhelming :lol:
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Postby The1exile on Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:33 pm

Stopper wrote:I don't think Iran should have nuclear weapons, either. I need someone to remind me why it's OK for their neighbours - Russia, India, Pakistan, China and Israel to have them.


Because they already have them. Prevention is the best form of cure.

Most americans have guns, does that mean that you average homicidal maniacs should have them because heck, other people already have them, why not them?
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Postby Stopper on Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:42 pm

The1exile wrote:
Stopper wrote:I don't think Iran should have nuclear weapons, either. I need someone to remind me why it's OK for their neighbours - Russia, India, Pakistan, China and Israel to have them.


Because they already have them. Prevention is the best form of cure.

Most americans have guns, does that mean that you average homicidal maniacs should have them because heck, other people already have them, why not them?


So why was nothing done by the US, or the international community, when Pakistan, amongst others, developed its weapon, over many many years? Why has the US or the international community done very little or nothing about stopping nuclear proliferation for many, many years?

And why oil-rich Iran, and why now? How is Iran the equivalent of a "homicidal maniac" in your analogy, when it has been much less violent than, say, the US over the last 10 years?

The nuclear case being built up against Iran, and the exaggerated demonisation of Ahmadinejad, a weak political figure who will spout any bollocks to get electoral support, smells as much of bullshit as the original case against Iraq did.
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Postby Minister Masket on Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:48 pm

There's a thin line between soldier and civilian. And as the super-powers get more powerful, that line is going to get real blurry...
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