coolest president in the world

[Pizistrat]

bush is antichrist!

[Frigidus]

i can't believe Bush is leading:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6xsd3qo99M

Personally I voted Bush as the humor option. None of them stand out as worthy of a "best" award in my opinion.

[spurgistan]

As 6th degree black belts in judo are de rigueur within my definition of "cool", Vladmir Putin and his sweeping hip throw gets my vote.

[Norse]

Charlemagne, Thatcher, Pinochet.

Respect!

In particular thatcher and charlemagne.

[Napoleon Ier]

A fellow man of good taste. rare these days

as for Pinoche,well, I had come up with someoneunder "dictator"cateory, and he was chummy ith JPII and not too badoverall, so...

[Norse]

A fellow man of good taste. rare these days

as for Pinoche,well, I had come up with someoneunder "dictator"cateory, and he was chummy ith JPII and not too badoverall, so...

Yes, there are not a great deal of people who are able to rise to the challenge, unfortunately.

A sickness within man-kind is the idle-minded.

“Minds, like bodies, will often fall into a pimpled, ill-conditioned state from mere excess of comfort.” - charles dickens

[got tonkaed]

A fellow man of good taste. rare these days

as for Pinoche,well, I had come up with someoneunder "dictator"cateory, and he was chummy ith JPII and not too badoverall, so...

Yes, there are not a great deal of people who are able to rise to the challenge, unfortunately.

A sickness within man-kind is the idle-minded.

“Minds, like bodies, will often fall into a pimpled, ill-conditioned state from mere excess of comfort.” - charles dickens

i wouldnt be shocked if dickens used this quote precisely against the conservatism you practice norse.

[Norse]

A very bold statement....putting words into the mouths of literary legends.

Explain?

[got tonkaed]

admittedly im not as much of a student of dickens as i would assume anyone could be, but given the fact that some of his work seems to suggest writing in a time where people critqued the differences between classes, it seems perhaps more likely that he may have been coming from the perspective that it is excess in the comforts of the wealthy (and by extension conservatism) that makes for the ill conditioned.

[Norse]

admittedly im not as much of a student of dickens as i would assume anyone could be, but given the fact that some of his work seems to suggest writing in a time where people critqued the differences between classes, it seems perhaps more likely that he may have been coming from the perspective that it is excess in the comforts of the wealthy (and by extension conservatism) that makes for the ill conditioned.

hehe, read you like a book, and was waiting for this one.

Predictable.

However, he was, at the time, commenting on a heirarchal structure from the 19th century. A time where 90%+ were considered as working class, and a high percentage were living on a loaf a day.

Now, not that charlie boy has anything to do with my previous post, despite his fantastic quote I used, we are living in far-morphed times to these.


This isn't the bad old days of the union-infested 70's anymore, i'm afraid. It is time you lot woke up, become competitive, and work hard.

You won't get anywhere from sitting on your ass, and hoping someone will give you something for nowt.

Wake up.

[got tonkaed]

I dont think anyone would suggest that dickens would have advocated a life away from hard work. He certainly worked in most of childhood and lived in a time period of hard work for the majority of people out there. Furthermore he lived in a time period where hard work was expected of people, and it didnt by any means guarantee you anything.


However, you decide to take his quote and apply it to your mindset. Im not saying this is wrong in any sense, but you give up your moral high ground when taking a quote, tying it to your own intellectual point, and then bring it back to its timeperiod when someone points out the potential argument against your stance using the quote.

I dont think anyone on either side argues that people shouldnt work hard and attempt to be competitive as possible. However, one could perhaps argue, that the benefits of being the descendants of those who did work hard, has made you forget the plight of those who did work hard to grant the station which has led to your worldview to create your views.

[Norse]

I dont think anyone would suggest that dickens would have advocated a life away from hard work. He certainly worked in most of childhood and lived in a time period of hard work for the majority of people out there. Furthermore he lived in a time period where hard work was expected of people, and it didnt by any means guarantee you anything.


However, you decide to take his quote and apply it to your mindset. Im not saying this is wrong in any sense, but you give up your moral high ground when taking a quote, tying it to your own intellectual point, and then bring it back to its timeperiod when someone points out the potential argument against your stance using the quote.


I dont think anyone on either side argues that people shouldnt work hard and attempt to be competitive as possible. However, one could perhaps argue, that the benefits of being the descendants of those who did work hard, has made you forget the plight of those who did work hard to grant the station which has led to your worldview to create your views.

Tonkaed, you motley fool, I'm not going to have a fooking book review class with you here, dammit. Read what I say...

Now, not that charlie boy has anything to do with my previous post, despite his fantastic quote I used

Well bugger me tonky, I'm sure many people could argue many point of views.

Do you think my grandparents were rich? Or anybody on this sites grandparents were rich?

The problem with people of your mindset, is that you are more intent on making excuses than spending time bettering yourselves.

" oh my mummy and daddy wasn't rich, therefore I will become a little whiny-assed socialist, who doesnt apply themselves to anything other than making excuses."

I pity you.

[got tonkaed]

norse it does appear to be like you, to take the retreating assertive stance whenever backed into a corner. I unlike you am at least willing to unpack the statements i make, without having to attack you about it.


Norse, i suppose you may miss the point from time to time. Your lineage doesnt need to be rich for it to affect your views. Ive had a fairly middle class upbringing, which has given me the oppertunity to invest in myself to hopefully embetter myself. Through my upbringing i was taught to work hard, and at the same time was capable of seeing the benefits that a good social position would have for me.

You however, given many of your social views, clearly dont seem to recognize the importance of the social position you had. Typically people dont have your libertarian views, without some extra religious attachement, from the working class. You seem to think that everything you did got you where you are, that you were not benefited by the social position that you have been raised in.

Now its not my job to teach you these things norse, and im probably not qualified to do so. But if you want to go on the rest of your life thinking that those people beneath you arent working just as hard as you are, or that youve earned everything that you have ever gotten, then yes you are pretty much right up the alley for a 21st rendition of dickens statement.

[Norse]

norse it does appear to be like you, to take the retreating assertive stance whenever backed into a corner. I unlike you am at least willing to unpack the statements i make, without having to attack you about it.

What the bloody hell are you talking about?

*head explodes*

Norse, i suppose you may miss the point from time to time. Your lineage doesnt need to be rich for it to affect your views. Ive had a fairly middle class upbringing, which has given me the oppertunity to invest in myself to hopefully embetter myself. Through my upbringing i was taught to work hard, and at the same time was capable of seeing the benefits that a good social position would have for me.

Maybe you lack assertion.

I'd work on that, if I were you.

You however, given many of your social views, clearly dont seem to recognize the importance of the social position you had. Typically people dont have your libertarian views, without some extra religious attachement, from the working class. You seem to think that everything you did got you where you are, that you were not benefited by the social position that you have been raised in.

Well, I am my own person

And yes, everything I have got is off my own back...but then again, growing up in my environment, this was not an odd thing. All the lads I knocked about with were in the same boat as me, most have turned into succesful guys, out of hard work from their own part.

In fact, I have only one rich mate....and guess who is the only mate of mine to be idle?

Now its not my job to teach you these things norse, and im probably not qualified to do so. But if you want to go on the rest of your life thinking that those people beneath you arent working just as hard as you are, or that youve earned everything that you have ever gotten, then yes you are pretty much right up the alley for a 21st rendition of dickens statement.

haha! When I take lessons from someone who couldnt find his ass using both hands, I will ask for it, thankyou

Well, this, my friend tonky, is where you have gotten me wrong. Everyone has a potential that they can live up to, but the idle among us choose not to, out of a sheer anarchistic, misplaced disposition....not really my problem, im just trying to help you see the light tonky.

Thanks.

[unriggable]

Where's Chavez, he has the most cajones.

[mandalorian2298]

Stjepan (Stipe) Mesic is the best! Please understand that I don't vote for his party and I don't either approve or dissaprove his policies (whatever they might be). But, he is without a doubt the funniest of all the Croatian politicians and he really doesn't care whom he might offend.

The best example was when he had just been elected, after the death of Croatia's first President, dr. Franjo Tudman. Now, you must understand that even now many people in Croatia look on Tudman as the Mesiah who saved them from the Yugoslavia and who had single-handedly won the war against Serbia. Stipe, however, didn't allow something as incosequential as his voters' beliefs stop him from telling jokes about Tudman's death (during interview's, not in private). And those jokes were funny too. Definetly my kind of President (does no good, does no harm, doesn't bore me to death with his speaches, tells good jokes )

[got tonkaed]

considering you took dickens quote as to percieve someone in a derogatory light, its funny that you would accept it as a badge of honor half a page down the line.

The fact that you are misguided enough to think that because everyone does do as well as you do (to whatever degree that means in your mind - since we tend to percieve everyone though those lenses) only because the either work as hard, or in the negative because they dont work as hard, is frankly a mentally weak notion.

Norse the difference between you and I will probably always be, you will look at the world seeking to confirm your worldviews, and i will not be so weak of mind to have to search for that fickle security when im looking at it.

[Norse]

Norse the difference between you and I will probably always be, you will look at the world seeking to confirm your worldviews, and i will not be so weak of mind to have to search for that fickle security when im looking at it.

Well, there are leaders, and there are followers.

[got tonkaed]

Norse the difference between you and I will probably always be, you will look at the world seeking to confirm your worldviews, and i will not be so weak of mind to have to search for that fickle security when im looking at it.

Well, there are leaders, and there are followers.

whatever helps you sleep at night sir....

typically leaders display leadership qualities, but i guess we will forget about those in your application.

[mandalorian2298]

Norse the difference between you and I will probably always be, you will look at the world seeking to confirm your worldviews, and i will not be so weak of mind to have to search for that fickle security when im looking at it.

Well, there are leaders, and there are followers.

You forgot about the 'individuals' there, Norse.

[Norse]

Norse the difference between you and I will probably always be, you will look at the world seeking to confirm your worldviews, and i will not be so weak of mind to have to search for that fickle security when im looking at it.

Well, there are leaders, and there are followers.

whatever helps you sleep at night sir....

typically leaders display leadership qualities, but i guess we will forget about those in your application.

I wish not to lead a crew of motley individuals, such as yourself.

I have about me decent, hard-working, faithful types.

Your type is not necessary, and in fact a burdon on modern society.

Good day sir.

[got tonkaed]

Yes i would imagine people who look at how the modern system works, balance out positives and negatives to situations, and attempt to forumlate policy to create a better society for everyone are pretty useless.

Norse start talking about your visions for a better society, and see who starts following you.

Or maybe you should wait till tommorow, so i dont completely discredit everything youve posted in one day.

[Norse]

Tonky, I could, but quite frankly my visions would be wasted upon you.

[got tonkaed]

Tonky, I could, but quite frankly my visions would be wasted upon you.

your garbage for coming back to this thread when we were in the middle of tying things up in the other one, for whats its worth.


Now go find someone to tally up the score for us.

[Norse]

Tonky, I could, but quite frankly my visions would be wasted upon you.

your garbage for coming back to this thread when we were in the middle of tying things up in the other one, for whats its worth.


Now go find someone to tally up the score for us.

Tonky, there's never going to be "tieing up" between us. Unless you become a decent, hardworking indivdual.

But that doesnt mean that I dont like you, though.