Children having sex

[btownmeggy]

Don't worry, Jay won't know his daughter's on the pill.

To use for the very first time a turn-of-phrase I've seen used around here:

QFT!!!!

I imagine Jay will never really know his daughter, what with the culture of guilt, shame, and hyper-moralism that he seems to foster.

I'm sorry Jay, I know that seems like a very hateful thing for me to say, and I don't mean to be hurtful, but it's true.

[b.k. barunt]

Damn, they are getting them for free? How come I still have to pay for them not to get pregnant?!?!

Yet you still made my mom pregnant

Thats, my friend, was no accident

Your avatar makes this so much funnier

Way to stereotype my people, just like you to act like the white men of this age...

Goldnite, i don't know whose pic that is, but you aint black. If you're black, you're the whitest black man i know now - up to this point it was my friend Floyd, who knows more Bob Dylan songs by heart than i do. If you're black, you need to get back to your roots or something - you're whiter than Michael Jackson - no, sorry, that was uncalled for - you're not that white - hell i'm not that white.


Honibaz

[2dimes]

Don't worry, Jay won't know his daughter's on the pill.

To use for the very first time a turn-of-phrase I've seen used around here:

QFT!!!!

I imagine Jay will never really know his daughter, what with the culture of guilt, shame, and hyper-moralism that he seems to foster.

I'm sorry Jay, I know that seems like a very hateful thing for me to say, and I don't mean to be hurtful, but it's true.

I hope we just know an online persona and he's different in life especially with his family.

The whole "All hell's going to break loose." makes me think of people including an aunt and some uncles that were so oppresive their kids rebelled agianst them.

They'd be the last to find out when things went wrong. ie. accidental pregnancy.

[beezer]

i of course will respect the possiblity that things could have changed.

However i have certainly thought about this, since its somethign that gets discussed from tiem to time. I have a goal of being a parent that informs my children about the world out there in a variety of ways, with sexuality being one of those ways. Im hoping to raise them in a way that they can be comfortable with themselves, their bodies, and something as complex as sexuality. Ill probably provide them with differnet peoples opinions on all these issues, cause im a dork like that.

I appreciate you being so forthright and candid. You mentioned informing your future children of sexuality. First of all, what age do you think is appropriate to bring up that issue with them? Second, do you think that a public school has the right to usurp that bond between you and your children by bringing it up.

I just had "the talk" with my oldest boy. It was not a comfortable situation, but it would have been even more uncomfortable had I had to contend with the public school's interpretation of what was appropriate/not appropriate to talk about. I'm sure there will be more questions and he'll learn some things by listening to dirty jokes told my his friends, but I still want to be his primary source of information because I'm his dad & he's my son. He doesn't belong to the state.

However, i will also want my children to have access to things that will be safe. Certainly no one likes the idea that there kids could be sexually active, since we dont view our children as sexual beings. However, they will be despite our wishing that it was not so. I hope that as a parent i can do well enough in the life long process of raising my child to have them be secure enough with themselves to make responsible decisions as adults.

My take on this is that the secularists want to keep talking about it and introducing it to kids at a younger and younger age. By doing so it just encourages kids to be more and more curious and then they experiment sexually because they're curious. The same secular preachers of sexual education then point to increased teen/child pregnancies & shout "See! We need more sexual education because they're sexually active" Well duh! It's because they constantly stimulate the curiosity in the first place. They reinforce their own relevance.

So no i dont think ill see it differently, because ill be attempting to lay the groundwork for a hopefully fufilled life for the duration, not just when things come up.

We'll see! I think you will change your mind on this issue when it affects your kids. I have no doubt though that you wish to be the best parent possible though. Just trust me when I tell you that your world & your beliefs will change when it is a reality and not just an internet topic.

[b.k. barunt]

Don't worry, Jay won't know his daughter's on the pill.

To use for the very first time a turn-of-phrase I've seen used around here:

QFT!!!!

I imagine Jay will never really know his daughter, what with the culture of guilt, shame, and hyper-moralism that he seems to foster.

I'm sorry Jay, I know that seems like a very hateful thing for me to say, and I don't mean to be hurtful, but it's true.

I violently disagree with Jay's politics, and his "conservative=little government" vs "liberal=beeeg government" should have gone out with "the world is flat" - all government is beeeeg Jay. But i've actually seen more happy, head together type kids raised with Jay's morals than not. Also, i've seen a certain amount of humility with him insofar as being able to admit he's wrong, that is highly unlike most of his moral majority ilk, and usually makes for an understanding parent. I think he'd do well with daughters, but maybe a bit too tough on any sons.
Anyhow, i think your judgement there was a little harsh (being a father myself, i tend to empathize).

[beezer]

To use for the very first time a turn-of-phrase I've seen used around here:

QFT!!!!

I imagine Jay will never really know his daughter, what with the culture of guilt, shame, and hyper-moralism that he seems to foster.

I'm sorry Jay, I know that seems like a very hateful thing for me to say, and I don't mean to be hurtful, but it's true.

Then why say it in the first place? That's incredibly disrespectful to talk that way about his family. Usually people just make fun of Jay himself. You just took it to the next level. Totally rude, arrogant, hateful, condescending, and judgmental all rolled into one.

[2dimes]

So are they throwing in some "Cervarix" or other HPV vaccination with this?

[autoload]

So are they throwing in some "Cervarix" or other HPV vaccination with this?

Yes.

[jay_a2j]

Don't worry, Jay won't know his daughter's on the pill.

To use for the very first time a turn-of-phrase I've seen used around here:

QFT!!!!

I imagine Jay will never really know his daughter, what with the culture of guilt, shame, and hyper-moralism that he seems to foster.

I'm sorry Jay, I know that seems like a very hateful thing for me to say, and I don't mean to be hurtful, but it's true.

I hope we just know an online persona and he's different in life especially with his family.

The whole "All hell's going to break loose." makes me think of people including an aunt and some uncles that were so oppresive their kids rebelled agianst them.

They'd be the last to find out when things went wrong. ie. accidental pregnancy.

"All hell's gonna break loose" for the school system not my daughter. Meggy can believe what she wants to believe, we currently still have that freedom. (Vote Ron Paul)

[got tonkaed]

I appreciate you being so forthright and candid. You mentioned informing your future children of sexuality. First of all, what age do you think is appropriate to bring up that issue with them? Second, do you think that a public school has the right to usurp that bond between you and your children by bringing it up.

In my ideal scenario its not something where i really have one seminal moment that is the talk. Id rather create an environment that is open to questioning and has me being consistently involved with giving information as i go. I dont know for sure what age is the right age, however i do operate under the premise things will happen earlier than i expect them too, and if i am forthwright with my children and allow them to see i am comfortable with the issue, the better prepared they will be, which is my main motivation.

I just had "the talk" with my oldest boy. It was not a comfortable situation, but it would have been even more uncomfortable had I had to contend with the public school's interpretation of what was appropriate/not appropriate to talk about. I'm sure there will be more questions and he'll learn some things by listening to dirty jokes told my his friends, but I still want to be his primary source of information because I'm his dad & he's my son. He doesn't belong to the state.

i can certainly understand this mentality. Our children are our charge and i do agree there may be things which parents should possibly have a monopoly on as far as information goes. However, and please dont read into this the wrong way, but i feel that i wont have some of the qualms you have, because i dont view sexuality in the same way as you do. I more look at the schools role and my as working together, and i hope that the school systems arent having to rescue my kids from my lack of information. There are things the school will be better and things that hopefully the childs mother and i will be able to deal with better.

My take on this is that the secularists want to keep talking about it and introducing it to kids at a younger and younger age. By doing so it just encourages kids to be more and more curious and then they experiment sexually because they're curious. The same secular preachers of sexual education then point to increased teen/child pregnancies & shout "See! We need more sexual education because they're sexually active" Well duh! It's because they constantly stimulate the curiosity in the first place. They reinforce their own relevance.

as far as i remember, the research is always pretty conflicting as to whether or not our teaching causes more activity. Some say it does, other say it doesnt. I guess my bigger potential fear as a parent is this, if my child ends up in a very difficult situation because they were not aware of information that could have been provided, i will feel much worse than if they became sexually active at a younger age. Certainly i dont expect my children to be perfect...im not after all, but i do hope that by instilling information and values early enough, they will be able to begin to set the framework for a more fufilling life.

We'll see! I think you will change your mind on this issue when it affects your kids. I have no doubt though that you wish to be the best parent possible though. Just trust me when I tell you that your world & your beliefs will change when it is a reality and not just an internet topic.

you sound just like my mother...lol no offense of course, i love her and value her opinion a lot. It is certainly always possible that from the moment i see my child (if i have one some day) that everything will change. It seems to do that for a lot of people, im probably not so different than them. However, i feel like the things ill be looking for in an eventual partner and the way i was raised along with my education are going to steer me in a certain direction. For me, sexuality from a parenting issue is just part of a greater goal to have an open environment for children to grow. Part of this of course means there will be necessarily scary outcomes of this, but i dont think i want to trade that for what i feel is doing the best for my kids.

[Fircoal]

aw, I hoped there would be a video.

[2dimes]

"All hell's gonna break loose" for the school system not my daughter. Meggy can believe what she wants to believe, we currently still have that freedom. (Vote Ron Paul)

Ok, good to hear. Only some hells gonna break loose and it's reserved for the school. Carry on.

[xtratabasco]

"All hell's gonna break loose" for the school system not my daughter. Meggy can believe what she wants to believe, we currently still have that freedom. (Vote Ron Paul)

Yes, vote Ron Paul

and like I said before, get your kids the f*ck out of the public school system.

[2dimes]

This is way to complicated to blanket with some, "this is right." or "this is wrong." statement.

Much like Jay I am awaiting the day when my daughter at age 31, a virgin is married to another virgin of the opposite gender aproximately the same age. Happy educated and with either a satisfying career or ready to be a stay home mom the option being her choice.

I also want $7billion and an airplane. So my capacity for reality is lacking.

[xtratabasco]

This is way to complicated to blanket with some, "this is right." or "this is wrong." statement.

Much like Jay I am awaiting the day when my daughter at age 31, a virgin is married to another virgin of the opposite gender aproximately the same age. Happy educated and with either a satisfying career or ready to be a stay home mom the option being her choice.

I also want $7billion and an airplane. So my capacity for reality is lacking.

what does the age of 31 have to do with it?




and I know how you can get 1 million, but...

[2dimes]

They never grow up in the eyes of a parent but 31 is mature at least.

[jay_a2j]

"All hell's gonna break loose" for the school system not my daughter. Meggy can believe what she wants to believe, we currently still have that freedom. (Vote Ron Paul)

Yes, vote Ron Paul

and like I said before, get your kids the f*ck out of the public school system.

Maybe when Ron implements the School voucher program I will.

[xtratabasco]

They never grow up in the eyes of a parent but 31 is mature at least.

well throwing up your last post heavy in stupid sarcaism doesnt help the debate, you might as well spam it like you do mine.

[xtratabasco]

"All hell's gonna break loose" for the school system not my daughter. Meggy can believe what she wants to believe, we currently still have that freedom. (Vote Ron Paul)

Yes, vote Ron Paul

and like I said before, get your kids the f*ck out of the public school system.

Maybe when Ron implements the School voucher program I will.

If you know Ron Paul then you already know the answer to that.

he supports states rights

nowhere in the Constitution does it say that this government owes anyone an education.


also you cant have it both ways. stop bicthin and home school or stfu

[Coleman]

also you cant have it both ways. stop bicthin and home school or stfu

I think it's T-shirt time with this one.

[2dimes]

I wasn't being sarcastic if you're reffering to the "only some hell's gonna break loose." and I thought I was spamming this one.

[xtratabasco]

I wasn't being sarcastic if you're reffering to the "only some hell's gonna break loose." and I thought I was spamming this one.

for the love of God
Please go to bed, or go to the flame area with your shit.

[btownmeggy]

But i've actually seen more happy, head together type kids raised with Jay's morals than not. Also, i've seen a certain amount of humility with him insofar as being able to admit he's wrong, that is highly unlike most of his moral majority ilk, and usually makes for an understanding parent. I think he'd do well with daughters, but maybe a bit too tough on any sons.
Anyhow, i think your judgement there was a little harsh (being a father myself, i tend to empathize).

Now, I'm certainly not saying I think jay would be a "BAD" father nor that I think his children will grow up seriously disturbed. What I am saying is that his absolutism on issues with which most people (including, *gasp* his daughter, I imagine) are absolutely "imperfect", will probably prevent real honesty between him and people like his daughter (I don't know how old she is, I obviously don't know what kind of person she is, but she probably does not or will not fulfill his ideals, though she may present an image TO HIM of doing so).

In families where the parents uphold overly-strict moral codes (perhaps a majority of families, but certainly not the entirety), there necessarily exists shame and secrecy that hamper LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING.

With the positions that jay has expressed, its very easy to see a situation in which his child WOULD NEVER reveal to him the emotions and sentiments that matter so much in her development into an adult woman. Enfranchised into a system of hiding her true self from her father, distance and estrangement develop.

Now I'm not saying that it's just totally great and normal for a girl to talk to her father ad nauseam about her sex life, but his daughter's sex life (or hoped-for lack of) is something that jay seems to care very much about, but he's certainly not putting himself in the position to get any sort of meaningful knowledge about it.

I'm sorry I seem to be picking on you jay. I could just as easily have substituted BK, my own father, or the vast majority of dads into your place.

[xtratabasco]

But i've actually seen more happy, head together type kids raised with Jay's morals than not. Also, i've seen a certain amount of humility with him insofar as being able to admit he's wrong, that is highly unlike most of his moral majority ilk, and usually makes for an understanding parent. I think he'd do well with daughters, but maybe a bit too tough on any sons.
Anyhow, i think your judgement there was a little harsh (being a father myself, i tend to empathize).

Now, I'm certainly not saying I think jay would be a "BAD" father nor that I think his children will grow up seriously disturbed. What I am saying is that his absolutism on issues with which most people (including, *gasp* his daughter, I imagine) are absolutely "imperfect", will probably prevent real honesty between him and people like his daughter (I don't know how old she is, I obviously don't know what kind of person she is, but she probably does not or will not fulfill his ideals, though she may present an image TO HIM of doing so).

In families where the parents uphold overly-strict moral codes (perhaps a majority of families, but certainly not the entirety), there necessarily exists shame and secrecy that hamper LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING.

With the positions that jay has expressed, its very easy to see a situation in which his child WOULD NEVER reveal to him the emotions and sentiments that matter so much in her development into an adult woman. Enfranchised into a system of hiding her true self from her father, distance and estrangement develop.

Now I'm not saying that it's just totally great and normal for a girl to talk to her father ad nauseam about her sex life, but his daughter's sex life (or hoped-for lack of) is something that jay seems to care very much about, but he's certainly not putting himself in the position to get any sort of meaningful knowledge about it.

I'm sorry I seem to be picking on you jay. I could just as easily have substituted BK, my own father, or the vast majority of dads into your place.

like I said before, most of us here are probably middle or upper class white trash (at least in this discussion)



have you ever been to a slum area or the hood?


how would your advice work there?

with the medium income for a famly in the US at under 30k I dont think your advice means shit to most people.

but I digress, maybe your just talking to Jay.

[wrestler1ump]

I think that what needs to happen is for these 6th to 8th graders to start having some respect for themselves and the communities that raised them. Nobody told these kids that their destiny in life was to become sluts and prostitutes, so they need to forget about sex for another 6 or 7 years. Giving out pills is not a bad idea; we don't have enough doctors as it is, so why should taxpaying citizens have to pay extra money for abortions to be performed on 10 year old skanks because they were too stupid to avoid having sex in the first place? I totally agree with the pills, but for goodness sakes children, if you're gonna have sex then accept the consequences.

Now while I realize how unnecessary it is to perform a whole bunch of unnecessary abortions, I am still in complete favour of abortions if an unwanted pregnancy is on the way. A fetus is not a child, and not a human being. It's a fetus, and has not developed an identity, so if it doesn't end up living then oh well, it wasn't entitled to a life in the first place. You've gotta do more than lie around in the womb to prove that you have earned the priviledge of living.

Don't jump all over me folks. I'm just telling the truth that many find hard to accept.