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Postby mandalorian2298 on Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:01 pm

nagerous wrote:
Koesen wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote: :lol:


That wasn't quite the ferocious backlash I was aiming for :)

Let me up the ante by boldly claiming that your relaxed response is proof of your guilt, since you are obviously not offended by my accusations, which therefore, as logic dictates, have to be correct.



don't forget that scum apparantly want to be associated with the town, so the relaxed approach suggested with the smiley prevents him from getting into any other arguments thus keeping his link with the town. ;)


I simply didn't know what else to say. :lol: Dude, I proved PCM's guilt at the moment when it looked like everybody are submarrining. I can't believe that Koesen is actualy defending Nagerus at this point, and with such ferocity that he is willing to try and frame ME in one game in which I really am being usefull to the Town.

Of course, there is a possibility (albeit a small one) that Nagerus isn't scum. This, however, would further prove that Koesen is scum, since only Scum (and Masons) can be sure that someone is innocent. So, since people fail to acknowledge my 'us' argument,
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Postby ga7 on Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:04 pm

Actually Mandy, a likely theory is that you tried to lynch PCM from the start to gain our trust as he was a likely usurper and you thought the chances of scum better off without him, and Jnd just went along with that plan, just pushing it further. :shock:
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Postby Koesen on Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:08 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote: Dude, I proved PCM's guilt at the moment when it looked like everybody are submarrining.


You did? I must have missed that because I was submarining.

mandalorian2298 wrote:
vote Koesen


Ok, I wanted a reaction and I got one. So now it's time for Plan B.

...

Wait a minute...

Does anybody have a Plan B I can borrow?

I am not scum, though it's a bit early to claim, but I still think your 'us' argument is weak.
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Postby Koesen on Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:09 pm

ga7 wrote:Actually Mandy, a likely theory is that you tried to lynch PCM from the start to gain our trust as he was a likely usurper and you thought the chances of scum better off without him, and Jnd just went along with that plan, just pushing it further. :shock:


Interesting thought.
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Postby ga7 on Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:12 pm

I know, sleep deprivation makes wonder. But FOS Koesen you seem a bit too worried about Mandy. Maybe the day 1 wasn't enough and scum want to stage more arguments??? :shock:
Nah seriously, I still think there's submarining scum at this point, I'll leave my vote on Trestain for now.
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Postby Koesen on Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:15 pm

I'm not really worried about anybody, since I don't have any leads. Instead of spinelessly bandwagoning, I thought I'd throw a rock in the pond and see what happened. And seem we're talking more than ever in this game, and some of it may even turn out to be meaningful.

Having said that, unvote. Mostly because of the PCM thing.
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Postby spurgistan on Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:06 pm

Is there any possibility of rival deatheater gangs here? Wouldn't that explain (at least, to me it does) how Nag and Mandy could be acting rather scummy while going after eachother? Or how Mandy "proved" Pancake's guilt? Maybe it would also explain why a mafia was NKed last night, no way a vig is killing Night 1 unless he's crazy smart, crazy, or NES. Or is my ignorance of Harry Potter so ditheringly obvious you're all going to lynch me out of spite, now? :)
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Postby Talapus on Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:32 pm

spurgistan wrote:Is there any possibility of rival deatheater gangs here? Wouldn't that explain (at least, to me it does) how Nag and Mandy could be acting rather scummy while going after eachother? Or how Mandy "proved" Pancake's guilt? Maybe it would also explain why a mafia was NKed last night, no way a vig is killing Night 1 unless he's crazy smart, crazy, or NES. Or is my ignorance of Harry Potter so ditheringly obvious you're all going to lynch me out of spite, now? :)


Well, the only other thing I think t could be is that it would mean we have palyere on the "Ministry of Magic's" side. In the later books, all the ministry people acted like idiots and did a lot of stupid things. That could explain a third faction in this game. But I'm not sure, I haven't heard anything mentioned yet about it...
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Postby Serbia on Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:41 pm

I have an interesting theory... JND called out PCM, and helped get him lynched, along with Mandy. JND was found to be scum when he was nightkilled. Mandy is now trumpeting the fact that he was right on both PCM and JND. Maybe, this is because he really did KNOW they both were scum, because Mandy is infact scum himself!

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Postby mandalorian2298 on Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:12 pm

spurgistan wrote:....Or how Mandy "proved" Pancake's guilt?


You guys (I am not just talking about Spurgistan, but also about all of you other guys who keep asking this, when the answer has been quoted 3 pages ago :roll: ) are the worst bunch of skimmers that I ever had a pleasure to play with. ](*,)

Ok, here it goes, one more time:
On page 14, mandalorian2298 wrote:No I haven't?! Ego talking??!! Well, here are some quotes:


On page 7, mandalorian2298 wrote:Well, it's time for a bit of crazines. I am going to reread now and tell you who is scum based on my insanity (much in style of Re-Inquisition Day 1 8) ). Give me a few minutes.

(Please no deadline. Better to replace the inactives.)


On page 8, mandalorian2298 wrote:Ok, first of all, all of you are a lazy bunch of submarriners (myself included :lol: ). However, I have found two (IMO) anomalies.

1.
LSU Tiger Josh wrote:Vote Kalish for voting like a knucklehead in the last game. When a better target comes I'll vote elsewhere, but for now I'll stick it here.


The second sentence is redundant. Of course you are not seriusly proposing a lynch based on a personal grudge. And yet, you felt the need to further assure the Town that your vote isn't a serious one. A need to justify yourself could be a result of a 'dirty concious'.

SFOS LSU

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This one came after Fircoal bandwagoned Serbia. Fircoal. The guy we ALL like to vote for. :lol: It would seem more logical for Pancake to vote him for bandwagoning. Why didn't he? I can understand why Kalish, Serbia and Ga7 overlooked Fircoal's bandwagoning (they were busy flirting with eachother), but I simply can see no reason why Pancake wouldn't react. This fits perfectly in Pancake's Scum MO (which can be described as border-line submarrining) and which owned in Exile's game :twisted: . However, since I am not a his God this time :lol: , unvote vote PCM


8)


On top of being a skimmer, one of you (Serbia) is also a lyer.
Serbia wrote:Mandy is now trumpeting the fact that he was right on both PCM and JND.


I never implicated JND! I don't think that I posted anything on Day 1, after having told you lot who the scum is (at least you listened to me on that account, thank Ka'ra for small miracles :lol: ).

Rhetorical Question for Freezie (and I don't expect an answer, until I either die or the game is over) :What kind of Win Conditions did you give this guys! "Game must last for at least 6 Days"? Did you make 3 people Trestein-lynchers (if not, please replace Trestain)? I understand when people disagree with me because I'm insane or wrong or insane or stubborn or insane, but I am actualy being accused of being Scum based on the fact that I lynch them!

Could the Cop, please, PLEASE, WITH A TON OF SUGER ON TOP!!!! investigate and clear me. Usualy I don't care about surviving, but in his game it looks like I am the only one playing (for Town, anyway).

BTW, I fully expect some idiot to come along now and decide that I am the Godfather, because he didn't bother to read JND's role. :roll:
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Postby Serbia on Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:18 pm

MANDY MUST BE THE GODFATHER!!!! HE WANTS THE COP TO INVESTIGATE HIM!!!!!!

oh, wait...
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Postby freezie on Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:23 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:Rhetorical Question for Freezie (and I don't expect an answer, until I either die or the game is over) :What kind of Win Conditions did you give this guys! "Game must last for at least 6 Days"? Did you make 3 people Trestein-lynchers (if not, please replace Trestain)? I understand when people disagree with me because I'm insane or wrong or insane or stubborn or insane, but I am actualy being accused of being Scum based on the fact that I lynch them!



I have prodded trestain, written on my last vote count.

I gave him 24 hours, otherwise he is getting replaced.
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Postby Neutrino on Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:23 pm

Obligatory "I'm not dead" post.

You people always have all the action when I'm asleep.

I'll re-read this afternoon and decide which of the many and varied arguments most looks to be correct.
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Postby jnd94 on Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:41 pm

Mandy, you spelled sugar wrong..... :lol: It was just so big, I couldnt help it :lol: *walks back to grave* Go Scum!
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Postby freezie on Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:53 pm

jnd94 wrote:Mandy, you spelled sugar wrong..... :lol: It was just so big, I couldnt help it :lol: *walks back to grave* Go Scum!



Dig JND's grave deeper and cast a sealing spell on the area

Stay there, stay there..
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Postby spurgistan on Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:57 pm

He also spelled "liar" incorrectly in that post, for the record. You're fading dude :P Anyways. maybe the way I phrased that (Mandy "proved" PCM's guilt) was a bit harsher than I intended, I just meant that it seemed you were conflating making the (in hindsight) correct choice using shaky logic with making the correct decision. Actually, I didn't even realize that you actually had PCM more or less dead to rights [goes back to skimmer hell] Although if my pet theory that there could actually be competing scum groups here is correct, that wouldn't clear you. Actually, perhaps LSU would be a good choice; I remember he rather snarkily voted me after I voted PCM. Just a thought, probably nothing, just saw you had a SFOS on him, and I was looking at him sort of funny after PCM came up scum.
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Postby ga7 on Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:06 am

:lol:
Don't worry Mandy, I don't think you're scum, but this far fetched hair-pulled argument is funny still :lol:
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Postby LSU Tiger Josh on Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:29 am

Being that it was day 1 sprurg I wouldn't read much into it. Day 1 is full of random crap votes and just happened to be the one that posted right before me. Anyone that had the post right before me at that point would've gotten it unless they were high in number of votes on them.
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Postby nagerous on Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:10 am

mandalorian2298 wrote:
spurgistan wrote:....Or how Mandy "proved" Pancake's guilt?


You guys (I am not just talking about Spurgistan, but also about all of you other guys who keep asking this, when the answer has been quoted 3 pages ago :roll: ) are the worst bunch of skimmers that I ever had a pleasure to play with. ](*,)

Ok, here it goes, one more time:
On page 14, mandalorian2298 wrote:No I haven't?! Ego talking??!! Well, here are some quotes:


On page 7, mandalorian2298 wrote:Well, it's time for a bit of crazines. I am going to reread now and tell you who is scum based on my insanity (much in style of Re-Inquisition Day 1 8) ). Give me a few minutes.

(Please no deadline. Better to replace the inactives.)


On page 8, mandalorian2298 wrote:Ok, first of all, all of you are a lazy bunch of submarriners (myself included :lol: ). However, I have found two (IMO) anomalies.

1.
LSU Tiger Josh wrote:Vote Kalish for voting like a knucklehead in the last game. When a better target comes I'll vote elsewhere, but for now I'll stick it here.


The second sentence is redundant. Of course you are not seriusly proposing a lynch based on a personal grudge. And yet, you felt the need to further assure the Town that your vote isn't a serious one. A need to justify yourself could be a result of a 'dirty concious'.

SFOS LSU

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pancakemix wrote:Vote Neut for Fibonacci number use.


This one came after Fircoal bandwagoned Serbia. Fircoal. The guy we ALL like to vote for. :lol: It would seem more logical for Pancake to vote him for bandwagoning. Why didn't he? I can understand why Kalish, Serbia and Ga7 overlooked Fircoal's bandwagoning (they were busy flirting with eachother), but I simply can see no reason why Pancake wouldn't react. This fits perfectly in Pancake's Scum MO (which can be described as border-line submarrining) and which owned in Exile's game :twisted: . However, since I am not a his God this time :lol: , unvote vote PCM


8)


On top of being a skimmer, one of you (Serbia) is also a lyer.
Serbia wrote:Mandy is now trumpeting the fact that he was right on both PCM and JND.


I never implicated JND! I don't think that I posted anything on Day 1, after having told you lot who the scum is (at least you listened to me on that account, thank Ka'ra for small miracles :lol: ).

Rhetorical Question for Freezie (and I don't expect an answer, until I either die or the game is over) :What kind of Win Conditions did you give this guys! "Game must last for at least 6 Days"? Did you make 3 people Trestein-lynchers (if not, please replace Trestain)? I understand when people disagree with me because I'm insane or wrong or insane or stubborn or insane, but I am actualy being accused of being Scum based on the fact that I lynch them!

Could the Cop, please, PLEASE, WITH A TON OF SUGER ON TOP!!!! investigate and clear me. Usualy I don't care about surviving, but in his game it looks like I am the only one playing (for Town, anyway).

BTW, I fully expect some idiot to come along now and decide that I am the Godfather, because he didn't bother to read JND's role. :roll:



So its ok for you to throw a load of baseless accusations at me, but when people do the same to you its wrong. Remember, I had a row with wisse, he turned out scum and suddenly you were over me like a rash for the rest of the game insisting I was scum, resulting in town losing that one. Maybe, because you pointed out pancake that makes you scum by your logic from that game ;). You're also arguing that you should be cop investigated to prove your alignment but apparently I don't get that right, instead you just propose that I should be sent straight to the gallows with blanket statements like "I've caught scum again" You've no idea what my actual role is in this game but that appears not to matter to you and thats waht I meant when I said your ego talking. Also, in regards to your question to freezie, most of us got pro-town win conditions, something you seem not to be familiar with ;).
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Postby kalishnikov on Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:54 am

Serbia wrote:I have an interesting theory... JND called out PCM, and helped get him lynched, along with Mandy. JND was found to be scum when he was nightkilled. Mandy is now trumpeting the fact that he was right on both PCM and JND. Maybe, this is because he really did KNOW they both were scum, because Mandy is infact scum himself!

Unvote
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You're not getting away with it this time, man!


This might be a plausible theory, actually, with mandalorian as a Usurper. Or he's just crazy.... The only problem I see with it is the fact that I don't remember mando saying much (if anything) about jnd. I'm not voting on it yet though, we just got done lynching mandalorian in another game when he looked scummy and we were quite wrong.

spurgistan might also have something with his competing factions theory. In a game this big I wouldn't think it surprising if there were multiple factions.
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Postby Serbia on Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:58 am

mandalorian2298 wrote:First of all I wouldlike to do a happy little I-was-right-for-once-dance. \:D/
Second of all, congrats to the person who got Jnd.


Looking back, I think I misread... when I first saw this, I thought that Mandy was also saying he was right about JND. Guess he was only talking about Pancake.

Still.... I wouldn't put it past Mandy to out a scum buddy, target the Godfather, and then slide under the radar the rest of the game as uber-townie.
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Postby mandalorian2298 on Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:53 pm

Serbia wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote:First of all I wouldlike to do a happy little I-was-right-for-once-dance. \:D/
Second of all, congrats to the person who got Jnd.


Looking back, I think I misread... when I first saw this, I thought that Mandy was also saying he was right about JND. Guess he was only talking about Pancake.

Still.... I wouldn't put it past Mandy to out a scum buddy, target the Godfather, and then slide under the radar the rest of the game as uber-townie.


Yup, that's my cunning plan. I intend to win this game for mafia by first killing of all of my scum-buddies. Pay attention, because I am writting mafia history here. :lol:

The consoling thing is that, for once, the theories against me are actualy more insane then my own theories. :mrgreen:

You know what, I realy don't care to argue any more. You guys lynch whomever you want. Let the record show that it is my belief that Koesen is Scum and that is where my vote will stand for today.

P.S. I had the dream last night, which told me that Fircoal is also Scum and Nagerus is a pro-town Tracker. I hope that helps.
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Postby Koesen on Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:16 pm

I hope your dreams are more reliable than your beliefs, then.

How about a Vote Fircoal then, as a default course of action when everything else is failing?
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Postby nagerous on Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:02 pm

unvote vote fircoal


I believe him to be scum as well. Also, if you told that I was a pro-town tracker why were you attacking me during this day phase :?:?
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Postby mandalorian2298 on Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:05 pm

nagerous wrote:unvote vote fircoal


I believe him to be scum as well. Also, if you told that I was a pro-town tracker why were you attacking me during this day phase :?:?


I only had the dream last Night. Sorry. :oops:

BTW, if Fircoal is scum, can we THEN lynch Koesen? :D
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