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Postby xtratabasco on Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:36 pm

arent we so lucky to have Giuliani here to help us all with the war on terrorism. He was right there in the middle of the attacks on 911. He is right there to fight the anthrax attacks with his cleanup company and he is over in Liverpool just blocks away from the bombs over there.

He is like a superman of terrorism with his incredible timing and willingness to help.

Maybe he will be our next president.









http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4661409.stm

The Mayor of New York during the 9/11 attacks, Rudolph Giuliani, has spoken of the "eerie" experience of being in London near one of Thursday's blasts.

He told the BBC he was near Liverpool Street station when the first of the four blasts was reported.

Mr Giuliani described the explosions as "dastardly, cowardly acts".

"The people of London should know that they have, in the people of New York, people who understand what they are going through," he said.

"My heart goes out to the people affected by this, it reminds me so much of September 11," he said.

Mr Giuliani was praised for taking to the streets to reassure New Yorkers immediately after the 9/11 attacks.

His opposite number, London Mayor Ken Livingstone, is on his way back from Singapore where he was part of the team which secured the 2012 Olympics.

Mr Giuliani said no nation had offered the US more support after the 9/11 attacks than Britain - and now that Britain had been attacked, it was the turn of the US to offer its ally support.

People in London have always been remarkable - they were our inspiration on September 11 when we thought about how they reacted during the blitz

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In pictures: US solidarity

"I was right near Liverpool (Street) station when the first bomb went off and was notified of it," he said.

"It was... very eerie to be right there again when one of these attacks takes place."

Mr Giuliani, whose eight-year tenure as mayor of New York will be best remembered for his heart-felt response to the attacks on the World Trade Centre, drew parallels between events on both sides of the Atlantic.

He said "the idea of a surprise attack", as well as "innocent people just going to work being injured and killed", meant the attacks bore similarities.

'Remarkable' Londoners

He said New Yorkers recovered from the September 11 attacks and predicted that Londoners would do the same.

The former mayor said the best way to react to such attacks is "to stand up to them and do everything we can to support the people that were affected by it - but not to let these terrorists affect our way of life".

He went on: "People in London have always been remarkable. They were our inspiration on September 11 when we thought about how they reacted to the blitz in 1940, and how they went through something far worse than we would ever have to go through.

"It isn't surprising that their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren have that same resolute response to this attack."



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Rudy Giuliani's firm will join with another to clean a building tainted by anthrax.
By Associated Press
Published January 14, 2004


BOCA RATON - Former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's consulting firm and the company that decontaminated anthrax-infested buildings in Washington will team up.

Sabre Technical Services, which decontaminated two post offices and the Hart Senate Building after other anthrax attacks in 2001, will join Giuliani Partners to create Bio-ONE.

The building was owned by American Media Inc., the publisher of the National Enquirer and other tabloids, when it became the site of the nation's first anthrax attack in October 2001. Anthrax spores sickened and killed Sun photo editor Robert Stevens, the first of five Americans to die of anthrax from spore-tainted letters. No arrests have been made.

FBI investigators believe the anthrax came into the building with a letter and spread when anthrax-laden papers passed through photocopy machines.

The building has been quarantined ever since.




what a hero :roll:


Id say more a 911 insider :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Backglass on Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:50 pm

Titanic wrote:Why not also legalise heroine, cocaine, crack, and every other drug on the market? They all have the same principles and marijuana.


So then we should also ban all tobacco products, Nyquil & all cold medicines as well as Beer/Wine/Liquor? After all, they "all have the same principles as marijuana".

It sounds like you prefer to give billions of dollars to drug lords and the gangs infesting our cities, rather than see Grandma get relief from her glaucoma. Nice. :roll:

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As for Mr. Giuliani, you should see the letter posted in the window of Ladder 10, the firehouse at Ground Zero. I've seen it with my own eyes and it cuts Rudy to shreds. I certainly wont be voting for him.
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Postby xtratabasco on Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:02 pm

Backglass wrote:
Titanic wrote:Why not also legalise heroine, cocaine, crack, and every other drug on the market? They all have the same principles and marijuana.


So then we should also ban all tobacco products, Nyquil & all cold medicines as well as Beer/Wine/Liquor? After all, they "all have the same principles as marijuana".

It sounds like you prefer to give billions of dollars to drug lords and the gangs infesting our cities, rather than see Grandma get relief from her glaucoma. Nice. :roll:

xtratabasco wrote:what a hero :roll:


As for Mr. Giuliani, you should see the letter posted in the window of Ladder 10, the firehouse at Ground Zero. I've seen it with my own eyes and it cuts Rudy to shreds. I certainly wont be voting for him.



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Postby Titanic on Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:28 pm

Backglass wrote:
Titanic wrote:Why not also legalise heroine, cocaine, crack, and every other drug on the market? They all have the same principles and marijuana.


So then we should also ban all tobacco products, Nyquil & all cold medicines as well as Beer/Wine/Liquor? After all, they "all have the same principles as marijuana".

It sounds like you prefer to give billions of dollars to drug lords and the gangs infesting our cities, rather than see Grandma get relief from her glaucoma. Nice. :roll:


Marijuana and other banned drugs are more dangerous and harmful then tobacco and alcohol. Thats why they are banned.

When it was said that marijuana should be legalised because it was controlled by drug lords, I simply stated that almost, if not all, illegal drugs are controlled by drug lords so marijuana should not be the only one to be legalised if that is the motive.
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Postby muy_thaiguy on Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:30 pm

I guess xtra has another friend. (Backglass)! :shock:
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Postby xtratabasco on Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:33 pm

Marijuana and other banned drugs are more dangerous and harmful then tobacco and alcohol. Thats why they are banned.





LMFAO

you are an idiot. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


400k people die each year from cancer from smoking and over 300k die from driving drunk and accidents while drunk


thats 7 hundred thousand people....
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Postby DangerBoy on Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:52 pm

I got this from about.com

Within a few minutes after smoking marijuana, the heart begins beating more rapidly and the blood pressure drops. Marijuana can cause the heart beat to increase by 20 to 50 beats per minute, and can increase even more if other drugs are used at the same time.

Because of the lower blood pressure and higher heart rate, researchers found that users' risk for a heart attack is four times higher within the first hour after smoking marijuana.

Marijuana contains more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke and because marijuana smokers usually inhale deeper and hold the smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers, their lungs are exposed to those carcinogenic properties longer.

Marijuana smokers are three times more likely to develop cancer of the head or neck than non-smokers. Many researchers believe than smoking marijuana is overall more harmful to the lungs than smoking tobacco.

THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, impairs the body's immune system from fighting disease, which can cause a wide variety of health problems. One study found that marijuana actually inhibited the disease-preventing actions of key immune cells. Another study found that THC increased the risk of developing bacterial infections and tumors.
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Postby Titanic on Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:58 pm

xtratabasco wrote:
Marijuana and other banned drugs are more dangerous and harmful then tobacco and alcohol. Thats why they are banned.





LMFAO

you are an idiot. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


400k people die each year from cancer from smoking and over 300k die from driving drunk and accidents while drunk


thats 7 hundred thousand people....


Now take into account the amount of people who smoke and drink, and how much they smoke and drink. Per unit, smoking and alcohol are not as harmful as marijuana.

Btw, drink driving IS illegal, so all deaths from that cannot be counted in the statistic. Also, cancer caused by smoking? Doctors can never be 100% sure whether the cancer was actually caused by smoking or occured naturally.

Where did you get those statistics from because I dont believe them, as they wont have figures of people who died from cancer caused by smoking, because there arnt any figures for that. Also, 700k dying each year seems a bit excessive.
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Postby xtratabasco on Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:42 pm

OnlyAmbrose wrote:So now I have to go to school in a suit twice a week to deliver speeches and participate in debates and such



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG2PUZoukfA
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Postby F1fth on Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:20 pm

I'll give my opinions, if you don't mind. As for Giuliani, this TIME article is an excellent place to start:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... -1,00.html

As for decriminalization of marijuana, these snippets are taken directly from http://www.stopteenuse.com

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"In all of recorded medical literature, no one has ever died from a marijuana overdose.

In 2001, a detailed examination of the health and psychological effects of marijuana use from the National Drug and Alcohol Centre at the University of New South Wales in Australia noted that marijuana "makes no known contribution to deaths and a minor contribution to morbidity [illness]."

In a 1998 editorial, The Lancet, an esteemed British medical journal, wrote, "On the medical evidence available, moderate indulgence in cannabis has little ill-effect on health."

Contrary to popular belief, marijuana smokers do not have an increased risk of premature death or cancer.

In its exhaustive review of the scientific literature, the Institute of Medicine found that: "There is no conclusive evidence that marijuana causes cancer in humans, including cancers usually related to tobacco use." The same report concluded that: "[E]pidemiological data indicate that in the general population marijuana use is not associated with increased mortality."

In 1997, Kaiser Permanente released a 10-year study of 65,171 men and women in Northern California. The study interviewed patients on their drug and alcohol use and found no statistically significant association between marijuana use and death."



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It's really not as dangerous as people would have you believe. No one has ever died from marijuana overdose! And even if it was a carcinogen, still less people would die from it than either smoking tobacco or alcohol (which you can overdose on). So, why is alcohol legal, but marijuana not?

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Postby muy_thaiguy on Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:36 pm

F1fth wrote:I'll give my opinions, if you don't mind. As for Giuliani, this TIME article is an excellent place to start:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... -1,00.html

As for decriminalization of marijuana, these snippets are taken directly from http://www.stopteenuse.com

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"In all of recorded medical literature, no one has ever died from a marijuana overdose.

In 2001, a detailed examination of the health and psychological effects of marijuana use from the National Drug and Alcohol Centre at the University of New South Wales in Australia noted that marijuana "makes no known contribution to deaths and a minor contribution to morbidity [illness]."

In a 1998 editorial, The Lancet, an esteemed British medical journal, wrote, "On the medical evidence available, moderate indulgence in cannabis has little ill-effect on health."

Contrary to popular belief, marijuana smokers do not have an increased risk of premature death or cancer.

In its exhaustive review of the scientific literature, the Institute of Medicine found that: "There is no conclusive evidence that marijuana causes cancer in humans, including cancers usually related to tobacco use." The same report concluded that: "[E]pidemiological data indicate that in the general population marijuana use is not associated with increased mortality."

In 1997, Kaiser Permanente released a 10-year study of 65,171 men and women in Northern California. The study interviewed patients on their drug and alcohol use and found no statistically significant association between marijuana use and death."



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It's really not as dangerous as people would have you believe. No one has ever died from marijuana overdose! And even if it was a carcinogen, still less people would die from it than either smoking tobacco or alcohol (which you can overdose on). So, why is alcohol legal, but marijuana not?

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Though I know some people who came awfully close to it, and it was last Spring. They were in the Hospital for a week. :wink:
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Postby F1fth on Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:41 pm

Aye, too much is a bad thing, but that goes for anything. :wink:
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Postby GreecePwns on Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:48 pm

At least OA didn't copy and paste a random conspiracy article and actually explained his views, unlike someone here.
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Postby F1fth on Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:52 pm

Talking to me? If so, I feel that these articles do a better job at explaining my perspective then I could. (And since when is TIME a conspiracy magazine?). If you read what I posted and still have questions about what exactly I believe, I'd be more than happy to answer them.

However, snide comments - while harmless - still irritate me to some extent, and I ask that you be courteous, as I will do so to you.
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Postby GreecePwns on Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:57 pm

F1fth wrote:Talking to me? If so, I feel that these articles do a better job at explaining my perspective then I could. (And since when is TIME a conspiracy magazine?). If you read what I posted and still have questions about what exactly I believe, I'd be more than happy to answer them.

However, snide comments - while harmless - still irritate me to some extent, and I ask that you be courteous, as I will do so to you.
I was actually talking about OnlyAmbrose, and the "person" was xtra.

OA=Only Ambrose :wink:
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Postby F1fth on Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:59 pm

Oh, cool. :D

I apologize.
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Postby muy_thaiguy on Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:02 pm

F1fth wrote:Aye, too much is a bad thing, but that goes for anything. :wink:
But there are barely, if any benefeits from Marijuanna, far more bad effects, like previously mentioned, increased chance of heart attacks, increased chance of cancer, etc. And do not say "Well what about alcohol and tobacco?" I do not abide by those either, never have, never will. Because most people do not have enough self control to stop themselves from OD. :wink:
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Postby F1fth on Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:05 pm

Ah, I see MTG. Well, I agree with you that there are few benefits for marijuana, but to me, there seems to be quite a few negative effects from it being illegal.

The fact that it's a "gateway drug," for one. If it were available at your neighborhood drug store, you wouldn't need to go to drug peddlers who are selling cocaine and heroin to get it.
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Postby xtratabasco on Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:10 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:
F1fth wrote:Aye, too much is a bad thing, but that goes for anything. :wink:
But there are barely, if any benefeits from Marijuanna,



well hemp can make rope, paper, walls instead of lumber, replace plastics, cooking oil and foods

http://www.hempusa.org
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Postby OnlyAmbrose on Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:10 pm

F1fth wrote:...I agree with you that there are few benefits for marijuana, but to me, there seems to be quite a few negative effects from it being illegal.


That's basically my point.
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Postby xtratabasco on Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:10 pm

F1fth wrote:Talking to me? If so, I feel that these articles do a better job at explaining my perspective then I could.


yep
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Postby DaGip on Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:12 pm

DangerBoy wrote:I got this from about.com

Within a few minutes after smoking marijuana, the heart begins beating more rapidly and the blood pressure drops. Marijuana can cause the heart beat to increase by 20 to 50 beats per minute, and can increase even more if other drugs are used at the same time.

Because of the lower blood pressure and higher heart rate, researchers found that users' risk for a heart attack is four times higher within the first hour after smoking marijuana.

Marijuana contains more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke and because marijuana smokers usually inhale deeper and hold the smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers, their lungs are exposed to those carcinogenic properties longer.

Marijuana smokers are three times more likely to develop cancer of the head or neck than non-smokers. Many researchers believe than smoking marijuana is overall more harmful to the lungs than smoking tobacco.

THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, impairs the body's immune system from fighting disease, which can cause a wide variety of health problems. One study found that marijuana actually inhibited the disease-preventing actions of key immune cells. Another study found that THC increased the risk of developing bacterial infections and tumors.


Usually people who smoke Marijuana are usually doing other types of drugs as well...that could also contribute to the higher cancer rates.

When I quit smoking and drinking...I still smoked Marijuana. My lungs felt much better than when I was smoking tobacco. I think it is that, although you may hold the smoke in your lungs, your body expels most of the carcinogens through coughing, whereas smoking cigarettes, you do not expel as easily. Truth is, my lungs got better while I was only smoking marijuana and I was joggin at least 2 miles a day with no problems at all. As of the present, I have completely given up all drugs and am drug free. I do not forsee myself ever smoking MJ again (unless I run into some form of chronic pain or terminal illness).

Why must there be a double standard when it comes to drugs? Do you know that the Meth problem in the United States stems directly from the War on Drugs and even more so from the increased security measures on the border with Mexico?

The United States put a big dent in the illegal trafficking of cocaine after 9/11. This left millions of coke addicts looking for a supplement, and Meth was the cokeheads choice. For the simple reasons: 1. It is easy to make, and you can make it pretty much anywhere you want. 2. It is cheaper to distribute than cocaine. 3. It produces a better "euphoria" than cocaine. 4. It is more addictive than cocaine.

So, "The War on Drugs" has only made the drug problem worse. Why would you support such a policy? This is ignorance.

The problem with the United States is its policies. To ensure the success for the future of America, we as The People must choose to CHANGE these policies.

If we do not, America will fail.

Remember that America is FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE...not the federal government. Ron Paul is for the American people and he upholds the law of the Constitution.

This just seems like the right direction to go for America, so I am voting Ron Paul. That is my choice. I wish I could convince everyone to vote for Ron Paul, but it seems that continuing a FAILED WAR in the Middle East and a FAILED foreign policy is more important than ensuring the success of our nation.

If this is what you believe, and if this is what you want others to believe, and if you succeed, you have destined the United States to failure and destruction.

It seems the time for talk is over, as stubborn ignorance seems to be prevailing in this country. I for one am joining the Ron Paul Revolution, and I am suspecting that within time, others will be drawing the same conclusion.

With the defeat of the Soviets, the environment of the world has given rise to all types of radical extremists. The truth is, you should join a side quickly and wisely.

Who holds the interests of the American People? Who is willing to protect American rights?

If you think Bush, Giullianni, or Clinton...you are a sick, sick puppy.

Vote Ron Paul! He is our only hope!
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Postby xtratabasco on Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:05 pm

DaGip wrote:
DangerBoy wrote:I got this from about.com

Within a few minutes after smoking marijuana, the heart begins beating more rapidly and the blood pressure drops. Marijuana can cause the heart beat to increase by 20 to 50 beats per minute, and can increase even more if other drugs are used at the same time.

Because of the lower blood pressure and higher heart rate, researchers found that users' risk for a heart attack is four times higher within the first hour after smoking marijuana.

Marijuana contains more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke and because marijuana smokers usually inhale deeper and hold the smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers, their lungs are exposed to those carcinogenic properties longer.

Marijuana smokers are three times more likely to develop cancer of the head or neck than non-smokers. Many researchers believe than smoking marijuana is overall more harmful to the lungs than smoking tobacco.

THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, impairs the body's immune system from fighting disease, which can cause a wide variety of health problems. One study found that marijuana actually inhibited the disease-preventing actions of key immune cells. Another study found that THC increased the risk of developing bacterial infections and tumors.


Usually people who smoke Marijuana are usually doing other types of drugs as well...that could also contribute to the higher cancer rates.

When I quit smoking and drinking...I still smoked Marijuana. My lungs felt much better than when I was smoking tobacco. I think it is that, although you may hold the smoke in your lungs, your body expels most of the carcinogens through coughing, whereas smoking cigarettes, you do not expel as easily. Truth is, my lungs got better while I was only smoking marijuana and I was joggin at least 2 miles a day with no problems at all. As of the present, I have completely given up all drugs and am drug free. I do not forsee myself ever smoking MJ again (unless I run into some form of chronic pain or terminal illness).

Why must there be a double standard when it comes to drugs? Do you know that the Meth problem in the United States stems directly from the War on Drugs and even more so from the increased security measures on the border with Mexico?

The United States put a big dent in the illegal trafficking of cocaine after 9/11. This left millions of coke addicts looking for a supplement, and Meth was the cokeheads choice. For the simple reasons: 1. It is easy to make, and you can make it pretty much anywhere you want. 2. It is cheaper to distribute than cocaine. 3. It produces a better "euphoria" than cocaine. 4. It is more addictive than cocaine.

So, "The War on Drugs" has only made the drug problem worse. Why would you support such a policy? This is ignorance.

The problem with the United States is its policies. To ensure the success for the future of America, we as The People must choose to CHANGE these policies.

If we do not, America will fail.

Remember that America is FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE...not the federal government. Ron Paul is for the American people and he upholds the law of the Constitution.

This just seems like the right direction to go for America, so I am voting Ron Paul. That is my choice. I wish I could convince everyone to vote for Ron Paul, but it seems that continuing a FAILED WAR in the Middle East and a FAILED foreign policy is more important than ensuring the success of our nation.

If this is what you believe, and if this is what you want others to believe, and if you succeed, you have destined the United States to failure and destruction.

It seems the time for talk is over, as stubborn ignorance seems to be prevailing in this country. I for one am joining the Ron Paul Revolution, and I am suspecting that within time, others will be drawing the same conclusion.

With the defeat of the Soviets, the environment of the world has given rise to all types of radical extremists. The truth is, you should join a side quickly and wisely.

Who holds the interests of the American People? Who is willing to protect American rights?

If you think Bush, Giullianni, or Clinton...you are a sick, sick puppy.

Vote Ron Paul! He is our only hope!



this quick video by Ron Paul says exactly what you just wrote.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/oc ... arlson.htm
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Postby muy_thaiguy on Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:14 pm

F1fth wrote:Ah, I see MTG. Well, I agree with you that there are few benefits for marijuana, but to me, there seems to be quite a few negative effects from it being illegal.

The fact that it's a "gateway drug," for one. If it were available at your neighborhood drug store, you wouldn't need to go to drug peddlers who are selling cocaine and heroin to get it.
And make another harmful substance legal for the public, and those criminals, will only be selling it legally and making an even larger profit off of it.
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Postby F1fth on Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:37 pm

I think it'd do the opposite. Look at Prohibition - prices were high for liquor and smuggling/bootlegging ran rampant. But when it was legalized again, the bootlegging racket basically fell apart.

It's because not only does price go down due to increased supply (meaning those criminals would make much, much less money), but also because people would rather get it from drug stores than sketchy drug dealers. The Marijuana business would be picked up by corporations (or the government) and the dealers couldn't compete.

But anyway, I've kinda said what I've meant to say and I feel my opinion is well represented. I'll let you have the last word on the matter and from then, we can agree to disagree.
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