Dinner with Ahmadinejad

[Nobunaga]

... Surprised not to see an "I'm a dinner jacket" (Ahmadinejad) thread, so I'll start one.

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[0ojakeo0]

[Stopper]

So, are we getting softened up for another war, then?

[Arbustos]

I'd ask him why he's such an attention whore.


You know, regular dinner talk.

[spurgistan]

All of the above. Because we're more civilized than they are
(takes the bait) Anyways, one thing that the bloodlust over Ahmadinejad misses is that the man has little to no input into Iranian politics. That's what it would be like if Iran were a democracy, but seeing as it isn't, all real power is held by Ayatollah Khomeini. The fact that Iran elected a far-right President over a moderate may give you an indication of the views of the Iranian populace (or at least how angrily they responded to outside efforts to swing the election to the moderate) but there is little that you can hold Ahmadinejad responsible for, besides some reprehensible views.

[Stopper]

I agree with the above but, without wanting to be a pedantic arse, it's Ayatollah Khamenei now.

[spurgistan]

Had to keep checking Ahmadinejad's name (actually spelt it three different ways in a previous diatribe, and never right), guess I forgot that it wasn't 1979 anymore.

[Nobunaga]

Had to keep checking Ahmadinejad's name (actually spelt it three different ways in a previous diatribe, and never right), guess I forgot that it wasn't 1979 anymore.

... Just copy-pasted off a news site (had no idea how to spell it). The man had a big dinner party with various well-to-do's, which motivated the poll.

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[Arbustos]

I knew how to spell it...

Sorry, I'll be quiet now.

[Stopper]

This thread'll probably fill up when I'm in bed, but before I go, is it OK if I just mention something which is only tangentially relevant?

I only read this today, but guess which country, after Thailand, currently carries out the most sex-change operations in the world.

I'd never have guessed it, either.

Carry on.

[Nobunaga]

... That's wild. Who'd of thought it?

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[muy_thaiguy]

This thread'll probably fill up when I'm in bed, but before I go, is it OK if I just mention something which is only tangentially relevant?

I only read this today, but guess which country, after Thailand, currently carries out the most sex-change operations in the world.

I'd never have guessed it, either.

Carry on.

[ignotus]

I actually like people like Ahmadinedjad. Not those robots who do everything American government tells the to do. Iran isn't that backward or stupid country to don't know what's happening in the world and we must respect their decision to build Islamic society as they like. If Americans would interfere with that it would lead to another Iraq.
BTW The reason Iran s such a country lays in the fact that Americans helped Pahlavi dictatorship over the country and afterwards Iraq (led by S. Husein) in a war against Iran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#From_the_Pahlavi_era_to_the_Iranian_Revolution_.281921_.E2.80.93_1979.29

[Simonov]

I actually like people like Ahmadinedjad. Not those robots who do everything American government tells the to do. Iran isn't that backward or stupid country to don't know what's happening in the world and we must respect their decision to build Islamic society as they like. If Americans would interfere with that it would lead to another Iraq.
BTW The reason Iran s such a country lays in the fact that Americans helped Pahlavi dictatorship over the country and afterwards Iraq (led by S. Husein) in a war against Iran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#From_the_Pahlavi_era_to_the_Iranian_Revolution_.281921_.E2.80.93_1979.29

i agree with you. just i resent that he is negating the holocaust ... in other way this man is fine and hundred times better leader then Bush is...go learn some history americans before easily judging someone .

[Titanic]

All of the above. Because we're more civilized than they are
(takes the bait) Anyways, one thing that the bloodlust over Ahmadinejad misses is that the man has little to no input into Iranian politics. That's what it would be like if Iran were a democracy, but seeing as it isn't, all real power is held by Ayatollah Khomeini. The fact that Iran elected a far-right President over a moderate may give you an indication of the views of the Iranian populace (or at least how angrily they responded to outside efforts to swing the election to the moderate) but there is little that you can hold Ahmadinejad responsible for, besides some reprehensible views.

In the latest election in Iran (the local elections) his party didnt do too well, and this was after the Iraq war started.. When he came into power he promised a better economy and living standards for the people but has failed miserably on both, with economic sanctions and a very poor economy. I dont think people there are that bothered about defying the west and supplying terrorists and building nukes, they just want a better life then they have atm.

[spurgistan]

I was trying to concentrate on the (perhaps peripheral) fact that Ahmadinejad (I like how we've all figured out how to spell that now) doesn't even exert significant power within Iran, never mind the greater Islamic world (most of which hates Iran for being white Shi'a, regardless). I definitely don't like the state (poor and run by a non-elected theocracy) that Iran is in, but to pin this all on a figurehead president seems to sideswipe the problem to me. Anyways, Iran's been screwed ever since the Shah took power (thanks, CIA!) Not anything Khamaeini or Khomeini or Ahmadinejad can do to reverse that.

[Nobunaga]

... Iranians, the average "Jabbar on the Street" type folks, tend to have rather positive views of the United States. I read a blog of a wrestler who went to the country for an international match (Iranians like wrestling), and he described nothing but positive encounters from all the folks he dealt with.

... That's a good thing.

... I mean, he obviously wasn't invited to any stonings or hangings or anything... that sort of thing probably goes on in the boonies.

... Still, I'd give Dinner Jacket the ole' fork in the eye.

[ignotus]

Well, I think that most of the people in Moscow had also a good opinion about the US in 1962. and most of the Germans in 1943. And after this pool you wander why Ahmadinedjad calls your president Bush "Sons of Satan".
Ahmadinedjad gave a lecture at Columbia and what did the dean of university call him?

And you wander why this people, if you occupy their country, will blow themselves up? You Americans have no respect for other regimes who don't follow your version of democracy. You can't wake up one day and say: Today I will bring my democracy (milk & honey) to people, and everybody will like it!

[Titanic]

Well, I think that most of the people in Moscow had also a good opinion about the US in 1962. and most of the Germans in 1943. And after this pool you wander why Ahmadinedjad calls your president Bush "Sons of Satan".
Ahmadinedjad gave a lecture at Columbia and what did the dean of university call him?

And you wander why this people, if you occupy their country, will blow themselves up? You Americans have no respect for other regimes who don't follow your version of democracy. You can't wake up one day and say: Today I will bring my democracy (milk & honey) to people, and everybody will like it!

The Germans had a good opinion about the US in 1943? Why?

[ignotus]

The Germans had a good opinion about the US in 1943? Why?

Because they hoped that USA will turn their back on USSR and begin fighting with them. Germany could then be America's ally. Hitler was more afraid of communism than Americans. His main objective was Europe.
He didn't want to go to full scale war with USA, but Japan forced USA and Germany to do that.

Furthermore, some people state a fact, that Hitler was inspired by America.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zweites_Buch

[Titanic]

The Germans had a good opinion about the US in 1943? Why?

Because they hoped that USA will turn their back on USSR and begin fighting with them. Germany could then be America's ally. Hitler was more afraid of communism than Americans. His main objective was Europe.
He didn't want to go to full scale war with USA, but Japan forced USA and Germany to do that.

Furthermore, some people state a fact, that Hitler was inspired by America.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zweites_Buch

I just read that link. Where did you get the idea he was inspired by USA? f anything, he was disgusted by the USA, as it had the power of being mainly an "Aryan" race but led by Jews. He wanted the British Empire and to become an ally to first take over Europe, second to beat Russia, and eventually beat the USA. He imagined the final fight for "world domination" would be in the 1980's.

[AlgyTaylor]

Don't think Hitler wanted war with Europe either, certainly it wasn't in his masterplan to be at war with Britain or France (and later the USA, of course). He wanted to expand eastwards, hence attacking the Czech Republic & Poland ..

[Norse]

This thread'll probably fill up when I'm in bed, but before I go, is it OK if I just mention something which is only tangentially relevant?

I only read this today, but guess which country, after Thailand, currently carries out the most sex-change operations in the world.

I'd never have guessed it, either.

Carry on.

Stopper, did you just happen to stumble upon this website?

...It's all beginning to make sense now....

[Stopper]

This thread'll probably fill up when I'm in bed, but before I go, is it OK if I just mention something which is only tangentially relevant?

I only read this today, but guess which country, after Thailand, currently carries out the most sex-change operations in the world.

I'd never have guessed it, either.

Carry on.

Stopper, did you just happen to stumble upon this website?

...It's all beginning to make sense now....

Yes, yes, I AM a Guardian reader. I know that might not have been obvious before, what with my being British and Labour-supporting, but the truth's out now.

I'm not ashamed of it. I don't keep it a secret, but I don't shout about it either, like some Guardian-readers.

[ignotus]

Don't think Hitler wanted war with Europe either, certainly it wasn't in his masterplan to be at war with Britain or France (and later the USA, of course). He wanted to expand eastwards, hence attacking the Czech Republic & Poland ..

Yes that was the plan called Drang nach Osten, the major plan giving Germans (Aryans) living space (Lebensraum) on the east (Poland, Czechoslovakia, Russia...).
The trip to the west would maybe never happen if France and Britain entered the war after attack on Poland 1. IX. 1939. But Hitler was pushing them too far (Saar, Sudetes, Austria...)!