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[life-saver]

tonight is probably the last night we can really lynch an inactive just because....after this it becomes a little more important that we find whoever the last scum (in all likelyhood) probably is....i like charles or igs for voting actually charles more than igs, because he responded a bit when he was on the chopping block where as igs just doesnt know hes in a mafia game.

You forgot about Exile. He hasn't been hanging around much lately... (Or so I think, I'm only up to page 37 >.<)

Anyhoo, has Charles been replaced...?

[got tonkaed]

he hasnt been....

i guess what confuses me is this, considering whose left, i cant understand what scum would allow me exile, and ga7 to be alive still. No offense, but the three of us are all pretty good at what we do, and for all of us to be alive (especially exile and ga7 since after the bloodbath at my house night 1 i could understand someone thinking twice about walking in) suggests one of two things, one of us is a bad guy, or there is someone out there who is our scum who doesnt really know much about us or doesnt think we will get him.

If i was scum i would have killed exile and ga by now as they would probably represent the only real threats left to me. I have to think they would look at me the same way. Cause im awesome and have been responsbile for a slew of death in this game...with a pretty decent proportion of it being scum.

So back to my point, which is why we are voting charles. He did claim mason, which i can verify because i am in fact his mason partner. We have exactly talked at all during the game so i dont know much about him or that he is even payign attention. However i was never given any guarantee at all that he is pro town and in this game it seems just as likely that he is not. So while igs and charles are both pretty good bets, there was no reason for charles to be whew when he just missed lynch a few days ago...especially if he was a townie.

vote charles

[life-saver]

he hasnt been....

i guess what confuses me is this, considering whose left, i cant understand what scum would allow me exile, and ga7 to be alive still. No offense, but the three of us are all pretty good at what we do, and for all of us to be alive (especially exile and ga7 since after the bloodbath at my house night 1 i could understand someone thinking twice about walking in) suggests one of two things, one of us is a bad guy, or there is someone out there who is our scum who doesnt really know much about us or doesnt think we will get him.

This is very true. I do believe that we have a n00b Mafia on our hands, or someone who has never played with Exile, ga7 and you. Or a submarining mafia, who is afraid to play maybe? >.< Very unlikely, but it could happen.

If i was scum i would have killed exile and ga by now as they would probably represent the only real threats left to me. I have to think they would look at me the same way. Cause im awesome and have been responsbile for a slew of death in this game...with a pretty decent proportion of it being scum.

This refers to you and you alone. If Exile and ga7 were scum, they might not feel a great need to lynch you. (No offense!) But, we can't just ignore your comment about this. It is very likely that the person might have FORGOTTEN about this game, which is a bad thing for scum to do. But, what you say next intrigues me...

So back to my point, which is why we are voting charles. He did claim mason, which i can verify because i am in fact his mason partner. We have exactly talked at all during the game so i dont know much about him or that he is even payign attention. However i was never given any guarantee at all that he is pro town and in this game it seems just as likely that he is not. So while igs and charles are both pretty good bets, there was no reason for charles to be whew when he just missed lynch a few days ago...especially if he was a townie.

If you were his partner, why the hell would you be lynching him!? I'm sorry, I just need an explanation on this one. It just doesn't make sense. I don't believe you that you are his partner, Tonka. Please, explain.

[got tonkaed]

i can say with a fair amount of confidence....and forgive me, that exile nor ga7 would have allowed me to live this long....charles is scum for the simple reason that i was never given any assurance that my mason partner was protown...which is common in many of the mason roles i have played.

When he nearly dodged lynch, he seemed to act as if there was some great value to his life, which he had not displayed while submarining, which to my mind suggests that he is more likely scum than a power protown role, because a power protown role comes out to play by day 5.

Likewise he fits the noob role of a mafia to a tee, and might not have attacked me because he assuemd i wouldnt go after my mason partner, which clearly is false.

[life-saver]

*sigh* Where to start...

i can say with a fair amount of confidence....and forgive me, that exile nor ga7 would have allowed me to live this long....charles is scum for the simple reason that i was never given any assurance that my mason partner was protown...which is common in many of the mason roles i have played.

Are you suggesting that Fir might have planted a mafia mason? I don't see why he wouldn't (Seeing how crazy Fircoal can be with his roles), but do you have any actual proof that says he is your scum/mason partner? I mean the scum part, eh? He even posted this after- Oh, I see what you're getting at below...

When he nearly dodged lynch, he seemed to act as if there was some great value to his life, which he had not displayed while submarining, which to my mind suggests that he is more likely scum than a power protown role, because a power protown role comes out to play by day 5.

Yes, he seemed to be flaunting over the fact that he was "a town noob" indeed. A little too much, I'm afraid. He seems like a good target for scum and townies alike. Which is why I can't get a read on you, Tonka...

Likewise he fits the noob role of a mafia to a tee, and might not have attacked me because he assuemd i wouldnt go after my mason partner, which clearly is false.

I can see that. I see that back when he was under lynchment, you played dumb and didn't show one speck of mercy for him. If you had an idea if he was a scum/mason, why didn't you bring it up earlier!? We could've got him then, and then turned on WT and get him too! But now I understand why you haven't died yet. If what you say is true, then he still thinks you're his buddy, his pal, his chum. It would seem that you make a good case, Tonka. But i still dont see how you got this "OMG MASON SCUM!" idea.

[Fircoal]

Vote Count

Charles (1) Tonka,

8 Alive, 5 to lynch, 4 to get a new car

[life-saver]

EBWOP- The second quote, the quote in quote, wasnt supposed to be there at all. >.< What "tonka" said is actually my opinion on the matter.

[got tonkaed]

if memory serves me correctly....i was in the middle of a slightly bigger issue with mm starting to get on my case. Likewise i have not traded one pm with charles in the entire game...he essentially has done nothing to help me help town. Therefore i felt no need to come to his aid, when i felt it was certainly within the realm of possiblity that he could be scum. And if i protected him, it put me on teh chopping block, and saved him if he turned out to be scum once i was exonerated.

At worst in my mind, it was losing a non helpful townie

At best it was pulling a scum out of the air that should have been impossible to find.

[ga7]

It's Alive!

Well, I never thought about Charles being scum because of the mason claim, as I believe there was no way he could fake that. Now if Fir didn't say specifically pro-town mason he leaves some room for paranoia as usual. In any case I think it might be useful to lynch again an inactive as if we don't find the scum right away we might have trouble with getting majorities later on, and another submarine mafia might be likely at this point. Between him and IGS though, I'm not sure.

You both do have a point on the kills though, some like Jake and Russian were particularly weird and reeking of noobishness. The fact us three veterans haven't been NKed could hint at this direction, and of course can hint to at least one of us being scum. Checking the night kills again, except on night 3 at least one more experienced player died every night, so there gotta be at least one non-noob killer out there.

Coming back to the fact Ex GT and me are still alive, well after night 1 I doubt anyone with half a brain would go at it again, and it was enough to clear you IMO. Exile, I'm not sure if it's his usual submarining scum act or a total lack of interest. We should see as the day goes along. As for me, well considering the one kill on night 2 I might have been targeted and saved, but I have of course no proof of this and it could as well have been Exile the target (though I find it a bit less likely considering his participation). Either way, FOS Exile

Concerning the lynch, I'll give it a bit more thought and reread a little this discussion.

[sheepofdumb]

Fircoal is hiding the roles. Trust me. Masons are cult. That said LSU was cult, not a mason. Life-saver was also cult. If there are any docs left I would start protecting me. I do believe there is.

[sheepofdumb]

Also I can confirm ga7 is a townie.

[ga7]

Awesome, I was starting to think all cops were really dead
Well, I doubt Fir would have hidden so much the roles as to conceal also the recruiter, so I suppose LSU wasn't it. I wonder how much of them there is though
Vote Life saver

Also, an important thing Sheep, please don't tell the precise order you did the investigations in. Can't say more

[ga7]

I just thought of something about Charles btw, on day 1 he tried to save Eddie from getting lynched by saying he was sure he was town. Was he also mason with you GT?

[ga7]

Also, an important thing Sheep, please don't tell the precise order you did the investigations in. Can't say more

After checking, scratch that, I was under a wrong impression. It could be very important to know the order of your investigations with the cult around as things might have changed along the nights. I'm especially curious on which night you investigated Life saver.
Triple post FTW!

[firth4eva]

i doubt charles is scum because he is a mason and he wrote mason in blue on his roleclaim.

[got tonkaed]

eddie was not a mason with me or it was never specified in pm....life saver acted rather odd ill admit.....and sheep probably could save the game for us if he listed all of his investigations.

[firth4eva]

with this few scum left we could do a mass roleclaim but because thius is unthemed it would not be such a good idea

[sheepofdumb]

Ok, LSU = Cult

GA7 = Townie

Life-saver = cult

Vote Life-saver

[sheepofdumb]

I forgot to investigate night 3

[firth4eva]

vote life-saver

good enoguh for me

[The1exile]

I'm so bored I'm unashamedly skimming. I hope the scum kills me.

vote LS.

[sheepofdumb]

Be careful though. LSU came out as a mason but my report came out as cult. Also I have some more information that fircoal won't let me tell unless I want to be modkilled.

[The1exile]

Me too.

[got tonkaed]

good enough for me....
way to not investigate night 3


unvote vote life saver

[Fircoal]

Vote Count

live-saver (5) ga7, sheep, firth, exile, Tonka,

8 Alive, 5 to lynch, 4 to get a new car

And the town tries up live-saver after hearing Sheep's claim. Odd that they'd listen to someone so dumb. They lynch her. Life-Saver (Cult Leader) has been lynched.

It's now night you have 2 days to send in night actions.