"DAD OF ALL BOMBS"

[Neutrino]

Wow!...it's a real shocker that you view my posts this way.

No, not all your posts. When you make sense or even attempt to justify your beliefs, then I have no problem with them. However, when you get pissed off that the Russians are doing the exact same thing America did, I begin to get the feeling you have abandoned thought and reason for gut instinct.

Also, these one line responces that answer precisely nothing aren't doing you any good.

I say again: why is America and only America worthy to bear world-scouring megatonnage?

[btownmeggy]

Also, for the record.. I don't think weapon manufacturing by anyone is acceptable - i'm not defending russia here or anything

Cue:
Kumbaya, we are the world, give peace a chance........

Let me go get a flower to stick in my hair while we all join in a group hug.

That sounds very pleasant. Let's!

[heavycola]

Also, for the record.. I don't think weapon manufacturing by anyone is acceptable - i'm not defending russia here or anything

Cue:
Kumbaya, we are the world, give peace a chance........

Let me go get a flower to stick in my hair while we all join in a group hug.

That sounds very pleasant. Let's!

but THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE COMMUNISTS WANT YOU TO DO.

[luns101]

I say again: why is America and only America worthy to bear world-scouring megatonnage?

Hmmm, I don't recall making that claim.

Not that I expect you to believe me, but I will however, give you some reasons why I don't trust the Russian government due to their recent actions:

1. The banning of BBC, RadioFree Europe, Voice of America, and Deutsche Welle radio programs by the government because of statements made against Putin's policies. I know some people will say that those were private company decisions. I believe they were pressured by the Putin government. I'm old enough to remember when they tried the "it was the decision of individual companies" line back in the 80's.

"It's no secret that the BBC was established as a broadcaster of foreign propaganda" - Igor Ermachenkov

2. The recent crackdowns of political dissenters by the Putin government shows a willingness to use force to intimidate those who would dare speak out against him.







"Those in power deliberately use violence to intimidate. They want to break the people's will to resist and act independently, and to do so they are constantly raising the level of aggression." - Andrei Illarionov, former economic advisor to Putin

BTW, some of the political dissenters were fascists. While I support their right to free speech, I don't agree with the ideology of those bozos either.

3. Blaming America's military strength for other countries attempting to develop nuclear weapons, and attempting to make the US look like a warmongering empire. This quote by him talking about "US aggression" is especially telling:

"This is very dangerous, nobody feels secure anymore because nobody can hide behind international law," - Vladimir Putin

So obviously international law is something to be hidden behind when confronted about their own behavior, while simultaneously blaming the US.

4. The resumption of regular bombing flights beyond Russia's borders, causing British and Norwegian pilots to scramble while these planes came near violating their airspace.

"Our Soviet bombers routinely flew such missions to areas from which nuclear-tipped cruise missiles could be launched at the United States, but stopped in the post-Soviet economic meltdown." - Sergei Ivanov, First Deputy Prime Minister

That's pretty comforting! Nice to know things are returning to the old days of the peaceful Soviet Union.

"We resumed the bomber flights so Russian pilots can acquire professional experience. There is nothing at all to worry about." - Sergei Ivanov

Great, I was beginning to worry there for a moment. I think we can take them at their word - it's as solid as oak. Wait a minute, they're also running missions close to Alaska now! Maybe we should get a second opinion:

"They didn't do it to practice alone. They're making a point, doing it outside of their normal training cycle...they maintain capability" - Canadian Col. Andre Dupuis, NORAD

5. They continue to threaten Europe & America's allies for simply installing a missile defense system to protect it's allies. If they have no plans of military aggression, then they shouldn't be upset with a defensive system designed to protect.

6. They continue to try and undermine the Ukraine & Poland by either raising oil prices to extreme levels, or by getting the Germans to build an oil pipeline under the Baltic in conjunction with Gazprom.

7. The abolishment of single-member districts with direct elections that are now simply party slates in order to serve in the DUMA. Also, the governors are directly picked by Putin himself.

So that's a short list of why I don't trust them with this new bomb. You attempt to change this around by saying...

I say again: why is America and only America worthy to bear world-scouring megatonnage?

...which I never said. My point is that I don't trust this Russian administration with this kind of weaponry. When someone like myself dares to offer a criticism of Russia, they usually try to link you to a Red Scare type of mentality. All the while, they have no problem criticizing the war on terror that is taking place in Iraq. Their accusations against Bush are above critique. So I guess I can look forward to being labeled the 2nd coming of Joseph McCarthy because I was audacious enough to disagree with the very vocal left here on CC. Yeah, it's a double-standard.

[jay_a2j]

I say again: why is America and only America worthy to bear world-scouring megatonnage?

They aren't. However, we don't worry when our ALLIES get them as we know they will only be used in self-defense situations. Now, Iran having them poses a threat to global security as they are likely to use them in an attack on another country. (ie. Israel)


Nations like China and Russia already have Nukes so we won't mess with them for obvious reasons. Tis why the US backed down when China told us, "You wouldn't want to lose San Fransisco and a few other cities over Taiwan would you?"

[radiojake]

I say again: why is America and only America worthy to bear world-scouring megatonnage?

They aren't. However, we don't worry when our ALLIES get them as we know they will only be used in self-defense situations. Now, Iran having them poses a threat to global security as they are likely to use them in an attack on another country. (ie. Israel)


Nations like China and Russia already have Nukes so we won't mess with them for obvious reasons. Tis why the US backed down when China told us, "You wouldn't want to lose San Fransisco and a few other cities over Taiwan would you?"

Wow, arrogance

How is the Iraq war in self defence?

[jay_a2j]

I say again: why is America and only America worthy to bear world-scouring megatonnage?

They aren't. However, we don't worry when our ALLIES get them as we know they will only be used in self-defense situations. Now, Iran having them poses a threat to global security as they are likely to use them in an attack on another country. (ie. Israel)


Nations like China and Russia already have Nukes so we won't mess with them for obvious reasons. Tis why the US backed down when China told us, "You wouldn't want to lose San Fransisco and a few other cities over Taiwan would you?"

Wow, arrogance

How is the Iraq war in self defence?

911 ring a bell?

[radiojake]

Wow, arrogance

How is the Iraq war in self defence?

911 ring a bell?

You can't really believe that can you? 19 Saudis were involved in the Hi-jacking - no iraqi's - no afghans

f*ck people just eat up what their government tells them

[Neutrino]

Thank you. This was exactly what I was looking for. Proof and evidence of reasoning; something severely lacking in your earlier posts in this thread and in fact the latter half of the Fourth of July thread.

Not that I expect you to believe me, but I will however, give you some reasons why I don't trust the Russian government due to their recent actions:

Actually, if you look really carefully at my post on the first page of this thread, there is a reasonably good chance you will notice that I also expresed doubts about the trustworthyness of the Russian Government.

Hmmm, I don't recall making that claim.

No, but the entire "how dare anyone but the US develop planet-scouring weapons" tone of the post certainly implied it.

[Neutrino]

911 ring a bell?

Ummm... Ooookkkkkkk then...

Word to the wise: America invaded Iraq two years after 9/11 and for a completly different set of reasons.

I wouldn't be suprised if you were one of those people who answered the date of 9/11 incorrectly in the "Americans are NOT stupid" thread video.

If you think that Iraq was directly related to 9/11 then that previous statement was not a insult, merely a bald statement of fact.

[jay_a2j]

Here we go....... No, Iraq was not directly responsible for 911. However Saddam had terrorist training camps in Iraq. He was a loon who couldn't be trusted NOT to aid terrorists. He was a terrorist to his own people. And IRAQ is a part of the "War on Terror". WHAT PART OF THIS DO YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND????

[luns101]

Thank you. This was exactly what I was looking for. Proof and evidence of reasoning; something severely lacking in your earlier posts in this thread and in fact the latter half of the Fourth of July thread.

Total baloney. I cited very specific things which you dismissed. I cited government statistics which you then proclaimed to be "biased". When I and others called you on it you proceeded to get more and more vocal. At one point, you deliberately quoted me out of context to make it appear that Dmunster & I were contradicting each other on the issue of immigration. Finally, you cry out to take it to the Flame Wars.

Actually, if you look really carefully at my post on the first page of this thread, there is a reasonably good chance you will notice that I also expresed doubts about the trustworthyness of the Russian Government.

I don't mind you using sarcasm, and perhaps you're not trying to sound condescending but it's coming out that way. I posted my thoughts and never attacked your post about Russia being dangerous. My original posts were about double-standards applied to arguments here on CC. You're the one that decided to come to RadioJake's defense. Now you're trying to pull me into something else which I didn't do...which is saying that I disagreed with your original post within this thread.

No, but the entire "how dare anyone but the US develop planet-scouring weapons" tone of the post certainly implied it.

So you admit I never said it.

[Neutrino]

Oh god, are we going to do this again?

I don't mind if we restart the thread, but just responding so the same arguments gets boring pretty quickly.

Total baloney. I cited very specific things which you dismissed.

And so did I. The main difference is I had reasoning to support my dismissal, while you seemed content to merely ignore all my supported arguments.

I cited government statistics which you then proclaimed to be "biased".

And they are. I've never heard anyone claim that the Government is not biased.
Anyway, from what I can recall, the only stastics you posted concerned the US government donating money to poorer African countried. I agreed this was certainly good of them but certainly didn't elevate them to the position of "best country".

At one point, you deliberately quoted me out of context to make it appear that Dmunster & I were contradicting each other on the issue of immigration.

And you were. One of you said the US had a very strict immigration policy, one said it had a relaxed one.
How exactly is this a valid point? It. Was. A. Joke. I'm going to bold that previous bit, just so you get the point. It's not as though the severity of immigration laws were one of your major points whcih I had ruthlessly destroyed with my vicious comparisons.

Finally, you cry out to take it to the Falme Wars.

No, as I have said multiple times already, I was telling them to go away. The thread was becoming conjested with meaningless drivel that had no relivance to the topic at hand and I wanted to keep alive the posibility of a rational debate.

Stop with the bratty condescending attitude. I posted my thoughts and never attacked your post about Russia being dangerous. The original post was about double-standards applied to arguments here on CC.

I was taking a leaf from your book

So you admit I never said it.

No, but you implied it. As those of us who have completed their homework know, implication is a very important part of convincing people of things, better known as rhetoric.

I'll stop being condescending now.

[heavycola]

we don't worry when our ALLIES get them as we know they will only be used in self-defense situations. Now, Iran having them poses a threat to global security as they are likely to use them in an attack on another country.

Jay one day I am determined to snap you out of this irony-free loop. It IS funny that the example you use is the country everyone thinks the US is going to invade next, isn't it?

I would also point out that plenty of our 'allies' are run by violent, dissent-crushing dictators too.

And IRAQ is a part of the "War on Terror". WHAT PART OF THIS DO YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND????

BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT SAYS IT IS. That's the only reason. It suits them to do so. if no one thinks for themselves we are all screwed, not just the towelheads.

[autoload]

I pooped today. It was the "Dad Of All Poops."

[mr. incrediball]

I pooped today. It was the "Dad Of All Poops."

i believe the word here is "owned!"

[beezer]

I think you're dealing with a classic Proverbs 18 type here, luns. Look, I get a kick out of his justifications as much as the next person, but after awhile you've just got to leave it alone. I know you like to show these quips to your students - heck, I like to show them to the crew in between flights and of course it's funny. But I think it's best to just ignore him from now on. If you don't believe me then just wait for his response to this post. Anyway, just something to consider.