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Postby s.xkitten on Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:32 pm

Xtra, take it to another thread. Stop being a complete troll, especially in a thread like this. Seriously, you want to talk about conspiracies, make a thread for it.


And I woke up to the first tower going down (it was on the radio that woke me up.) and my parents didn't believe me until they turned the TV on. I wasn't allowed to go to school that day because they locked the base down, and both my parents were there on guard. I hung out in a windowless room with four men planning how to defend this best from the air raid they feared was coming...pretty interesting way to spend the day.
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Postby duday53 on Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:33 pm

I was in grade 2. Unlike most of you i was uninformed of what had happened over the speaker system. I found out when i overheard two teachers talking to each other. That night i watched what happened on the news.
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Postby radiojake on Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:25 pm

Man a lot of you guys are making me feel kinda old...
I was in 12th grade and just sat down to start an essay that was due the next day (as was my way) when a friend on MSN messaged me to turn the TV on. It was about 9.30 or 10 oclock at night here in Australia - it was just a live feed straight from some american network, and i just started watching it all night. Didn't do any work at school the next day really, everyone just kinda watched the TV


muy_thaiguy wrote: When we found out that it was terrorists, I honestly felt the urge (and still do today at some points) to wipe out the terrorists.


That's not healthy - Hate breeds hate, be the better person and let that shit drop


- Also it's interesting that the English guys have been referring to the English subway attacks as 7/7 - because I hadn't heard it as that and hence had forgotten what date that happened. No-one will ever forget 9/11 though... it's also annoying because here in Australia 9/11 means the 9th of November -(which makes more sense seeing as its chronological - this is getting irrelevant now)
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Postby KiwiTaker on Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:37 pm

I was woken up by my mum. She ran into my room screaming it's World War 3. So we had it on the morning news at 7:00 am.
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Postby PinkyAndTheBrain on Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:54 pm

I was at Ft. Carson, Colorado...my platoon had just finished our morning runs...the guard at the gate told us planes had hit towers in New York...

Got home, turned on the TV, and the first tower fell.

I lived 6 miles from work. It took me four hours to get back on post...they checked every single car...

I know fellow soldiers who've died in the desert because of 9/11, and have friends still serving over there...

At memorial services they will do a roll call, with the living answering as their name is called...when the deceased soldier's name is called, there is silence....the name is called again, then one last time....there are no dry eyes by then.

The next of kin receives a flag at the graveside service....the soldier giving the flag will say..."Ma'am, this flag is presented on behalf of a grateful nation as a token of our appreciation for the honorable and faithful service rendered by your loved one"...it may sound canned, even soulless but still, respect is respect and every bit of it-as humanly possible-is shown to those who've died.
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Postby Kaplowitz on Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:00 pm

Arbustos wrote:In class, fifth grade. No one at the time realized how important it was... I think the way we were told we thought it was just a demolition of a building we'd never heard of before.


Yea, me2. In third grade, no one including my teacher had any clue what was going on. All the parents wanted to pick up their kids personally. My first reaction to what had happened was "wow, they gotta re-build it now." having no clue that anyone was dead. The only good thing about the day was that i got a new car 8)
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Postby radiojake on Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:27 pm

PinkyAndTheBrain wrote:The next of kin receives a flag at the graveside service....the soldier giving the flag will say..."Ma'am, this flag is presented on behalf of a grateful nation as a token of our appreciation for the honorable and faithful service rendered by your loved one"...it may sound canned, even soulless but still, respect is respect and every bit of it-as humanly possible-is shown to those who've died.


Yes, because a flag is a completely adequate thing to give someone whose son/daughter/husband/wife has just died .... - still don't understand why people join armies and go to war. I find it hard to feel sorry for fallen soldiers because I can't help thinking "well, that was your fucking choice" - civilian deaths in war is a completely different story... they're the one's who should have the memorial service
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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:33 pm

radiojake wrote:
PinkyAndTheBrain wrote:The next of kin receives a flag at the graveside service....the soldier giving the flag will say..."Ma'am, this flag is presented on behalf of a grateful nation as a token of our appreciation for the honorable and faithful service rendered by your loved one"...it may sound canned, even soulless but still, respect is respect and every bit of it-as humanly possible-is shown to those who've died.


Yes, because a flag is a completely adequate thing to give someone whose son/daughter/husband/wife has just died .... - still don't understand why people join armies and go to war. I find it hard to feel sorry for fallen soldiers because I can't help thinking "well, that was your fucking choice" - civilian deaths in war is a completely different story... they're the one's who should have the memorial service



I agree with you, but now your gonna get stomped on by the same self-rightous turds who are telling us all how to feel and what to and what not to post here.
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Postby jnd94 on Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:36 pm

Ok, xtra, same thing I said to Norse, I respect your beliefs, and, hell, I even belive them to an extent. But this is a sensitive day to lots of americans. Just make a different thread about this whole subject, and none of the "self-righteous turds" will attack your thinking.
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Postby CrazyAnglican on Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:51 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote: Regardless of what we all think happened, I think that the most important task for today is to take some time to remember the tragic loss of life that occured during the towers' collapse. Our differences of opinion about facts don't matter; but our underlying humanity ought to allow us to share a brief moment of reflection on the tragedy that this date stands as a memorial to.


Well spoken sir.
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Postby radiojake on Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:56 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote: Regardless of what we all think happened, I think that the most important task for today is to take some time to remember the tragic loss of life that occured during the towers' collapse. Our differences of opinion about facts don't matter; but our underlying humanity ought to allow us to share a brief moment of reflection on the tragedy that this date stands as a memorial to.


I often debate (with myself and others) about whether or not humanity is an underlying human feature - sometimes i think their should be another word for humanity, because humans rarely act humane

but that's a different topic
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Postby jnd94 on Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:03 pm

radiojake wrote:
Dancing Mustard wrote: Regardless of what we all think happened, I think that the most important task for today is to take some time to remember the tragic loss of life that occured during the towers' collapse. Our differences of opinion about facts don't matter; but our underlying humanity ought to allow us to share a brief moment of reflection on the tragedy that this date stands as a memorial to.


I often debate (with myself and others) about whether or not humanity is an underlying human feature - sometimes i think their should be another word for humanity, because humans rarely act humane

but that's a different topic


both are good points.
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Postby magneticgoop on Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:06 pm

i was asleep way to late and then my brother comes in yelling a huge building just fell down! come watch the TV! i thought he was tricking me into getting out of bed but i figured well i have to get up anyways and see what he is talking about. so i went downstairs and i didnt really understand what was going on(i knew that it was terrorists and thousands would die, but i didn't understand the ramifications)
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Postby duday53 on Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:21 pm

CrazyAnglican wrote:
Dancing Mustard wrote: Regardless of what we all think happened, I think that the most important task for today is to take some time to remember the tragic loss of life that occured during the towers' collapse. Our differences of opinion about facts don't matter; but our underlying humanity ought to allow us to share a brief moment of reflection on the tragedy that this date stands as a memorial to.


Well spoken sir.
somepeople still havent grasped the concept yet
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Postby GreecePwns on Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:33 pm

duday53 wrote:
CrazyAnglican wrote:
Dancing Mustard wrote: Regardless of what we all think happened, I think that the most important task for today is to take some time to remember the tragic loss of life that occured during the towers' collapse. Our differences of opinion about facts don't matter; but our underlying humanity ought to allow us to share a brief moment of reflection on the tragedy that this date stands as a memorial to.
Well spoken sir.
somepeople still havent grasped the concept yet
Just make another thread on the conspiracy thread (which i just happen to believe). Talking about it in a memorial thread is just wrong.
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Postby CrazyAnglican on Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:33 pm

Fall is really my favorite time of year. The oppressive heat of August is waning and I generally expect to go into the hills on a hike on the first clear weekend. This was certainly such a day. I think I remember the crystal clear blue sky the most. The blue sky that later that day, for the first time in my life, would not contain a single airplane that I could see. They had beautiful flying conditions didn't they? Probably not the slightest turbulence to test their feeble skills. Pilots who didn't know how to land.

I went to work mildly worried about the possibilty of a West Nile Virus outbreak in the vicinity. My students had discussed it the day before. It was their habit to blow things out of proportion. On Tuesdays, I covered literature. We were discussing symbolism. I remember telling my students that day, "This didn't destroy us, they didn't even have a prayer of toppling the United States. These targets were selected as a symbolic attack on American wealth and power". In response to my ignorant remark one of my student's incredulously stated "He's still trying to teach". What else could I do? The world had spun from beneath my feet. I reflexively grabbed onto the only thing I could.

Well that was later, At around 9:30 (I really only remember it was first period) my boss came in and said "Turn your T.V. on". I saw the first tower had been hit. The caption read that a "plane had crashed into the WTC". Assuming this to be a tragic accident, I began to tell the students about the B-25 (?) that crashed into the Empire State building fifty years before. As I spoke the second plane hit. My words died in my mouth. This was terrorism, and I was there trying my best to make sense of a senseless situation in front of an equally bewildered group of young people. "Why do they hate us?" one asked. I began to formulate an answer based on border lines drawn and redrawn by imperialist nations, and people held captive by "friendly" dictatorships. I looked him in the eye and said "I don't know".

I had no loss that day. None of my family died; none of my friends were injured. The shock that I experienced was just that. I buried no one, and as a result I am inconsequential to this discussion. I can only say that I feel heartily sorry for those who did lose friends and loved ones on that day. An American life is worth no more than any other. Every person who dies should be mourned. Everyone who is murdered should be remembered. Every breath drawn in should be enjoyed and every exhalation whispered with thanks. That day I performed my tasks and walked out of work under a bright, beautiful, blue sky that has always seemed less brilliant than it did the morning I walked in.
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Postby Arbustos on Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:38 pm

My family lost over half its inheritance that day... but so what? Others lost their lives.


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Postby dustn64 on Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:41 pm

I open this thread thinking how nice people are for showing their respect toward the lost souls of the towers collapsing. But now I see how heartless some people can be for throwing out that we are showing remorse for the people that died not how they died.
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Postby duday53 on Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:56 pm

If you want to go discuss what you believe happened at 9/11 then here is the thread
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Postby qeee1 on Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:13 pm

I was in class at the time. It was actually announced over the intercom. When I heard the principal preface the announcement with something like "I don't know if you've all heard"... I thought, this is a little wierd, but then he announced it and I lol'd. My old principal always was good for a laugh.
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Postby OnlyAmbrose on Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:41 pm

I was in elementary school at the time... 6th grade I believe. In retrospect, it kind of makes me a little ashamed how my little still-ego-centric mind treated the event.

I got out of bed, and saw my mom by the TV. She explained to me that terrorists had attacked New York. Though I wouldn't admit it to my 6th grade friends at school, I had never even heard the word "terrorist" until September 11th, 2001, let alone known what it meant. I quickly discerned from what my mom said and what they said on the news that terrorists were bad guys.

I watched the second plane hit, the tower collapse, etc. I was secretly hoping my mom wouldn't make me go to school. Probably the only time I experienced sincere shock was when I saw footage of people jumping out of a 100 story building. That was terrifying. Until then it was just buildings. Then I saw people jumping out of them.

Turned out that my mom did make me go to school.

I was in the GATE program in elementary school, which is basically the elementary school form of honors classes. As such, myself and my peers fancied ourselves to be all intellectual and stuff.

The talk at lunch was on the topic of who committed the attacks. We had all heard the newsmen and our parents talk about it, so we figured we had enough of an idea to chat about it. Hoping to impress the girls at the lunch table within an earshot of us, we spoke loudly of our own suspicions on the matter.

I had gleaned the word "Palestinians" off of my parents, so I figured now would be a good time to interject it. "It must've been the Palestinians!" I said, with a glance to a pretty girl named Kelsey, hoping she had heard my use of the impressive word. Quite honestly, I had no idea where Palestine was let alone what they believed in.

I learned a few things on 9/11. I learned what a terrorist was, and that Palestine had terrorists in it. Later I'd learn what Afghanistan was and exactly what shape it is.

As the day came to a close I fancied myself pretty special to have lived in a time with an experience similar to Pearl Harbor (I prided myself in being a WWII expert). I figured we'd invade somewhere and get back at the bad guys. I felt a surge of partriotic pride every time I saw an American flag on a house- probably a feeling similar to a high school football player looking into the stands and seeing his school colors.

My family lost several jobs in the month or so just after the incident. We moved to a smaller house, a fact I pouted over for some time.

Once I got into high school I started to understand the greater facts behind the attack besides the geopolitical implications and the patriotic-let's-go-kick-some-brown-ass feeling which I had.

I started to understand that 4000 people or so died.

It's just a shame that it took me so long to get that. I'm not proud of my elementary school self, and I can only wish that I was old enough to understand the event as it happened.
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Postby CrazyAnglican on Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:51 pm

OnlyAmbrose wrote:It's just a shame that it took me so long to get that. I'm not proud of my elementary school self, and I can only wish that I was old enough to understand the event as it happened.



When you get that old explain it to me, would ya' :cry:
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Re: 9/11

Postby Carebian Knight on Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:27 pm

cena-rules wrote:
sully800 wrote:
Norse wrote:
duday53 wrote:Im suprised there isnt already a thread out there...

Well no matter what happened on September 11th, we should remember them. And thanks all the firefighters and police that died and that are still serving today.

Too Corny?


What happened?? :-k

Ahh yes! The yanks exploded their own buildings, carefully fabricated a few fake videos, and declared war on islam!

yup, nice videos, my mate can make ones like that.


Just like people who claim the holocaust never happened, you make me sick.


The thing is you have proof the holocaust happened. Do you have proof hat Islamic militants did 9/11.


How about the man who was able to call his wife and told her that the plane had been taken over by Middle Eastern men? It's not like Bush out of nowhere said, we can't figure out who was flying that plane so we'll just blame the Islamic people.

Maybe you should look at all the facts before you start saying crap.

By the way, I was in 4th grade when it happened, all the teachers were called for an emergency meeting while the kids went to recess. My teacher refused to tell us, my mom told me later that day. I didn't know what the World Trade Centers were, but I understood planes were flown into American buildings, killing innocent civilians.
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Postby Carebian Knight on Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:32 pm

I know how you feel Ambrose, I have always prided myself on knowing my history, especially major wars and ancient empires. But experiencing it is different than reading about it. Although I didn't try to impress pretty girls with big words, I didn't know much of what they were talking about either, it took until I was about in the 6th grade actually for it to start settling in.
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