Woman complains about her son looking at porn

[MeDeFe]

Not that you know off at least.

[Bertros Bertros]

Bertros, I waited for a response to my points on overpopulation in the other thread and I find you over here making counter-points to muy_thaiguy?!! You've just committed debate adultery! Unless you're willing to go to counseling with me...I'm not going to argue with you anymore!

So, how long have you guys been seeing each other?

Please forgive me luns, it was only the once and I couldn't help myself. I'll never do it again, I promise. Actually I do want to reply but only had a few minutes to post last night and wanted to link to the article on the Vatican and Amnesty whilst I remembered. I will come back to you some point today but its work time over here so not for a while

[Skittles!]

In reference to china, if we pulled our business out of china, it would collapse. In short, China's economy depends on us.

Where do you get your information? it's the worst things I've heard on here, ever.

I'm sure you'd lose many of your clothes if you pulled out of China, not China losing economy.

Without American demand forcing companies to use China to create their goods, it would collapse. Think about it. Who pays who (gives money to someone in exchange for a good or service) to make those little McDonald's toy? They don't pay us. We pay them. What do you think would happen if we stopped importing tiny crappy toys and shirts and stuff?

The United States is not the only country using trade and such with China. Australia was the first Western Country to do recognise China, and they continue to trade with them.

We may not be the only country that does trade with china, but we do the most.

Answer this one question for me, is the U.S. a great country?

Even if you do trade with them the most, which maybe true or not, I'm not sure, I don't think their whole economy would collapse.

Great country? Yes. Great people? Not the greatest, but still great in it's own way. As it is with each and every other country.

[Stopper]

Answer this one question for me, is the U.S. a great country?

Define "great".

A successful and prosperous country? Yes. A good country to live in with a high quality of life. In the most part, yes. A model country which others should aspire to emulate? In my opinion, no.

Keyword: opinion.

Yes, your point being?

Good question, that. I've often wondered what the point of muy_thaiguy is, too.

[umanouski]

Answer this one question for me, is the U.S. a great country?

Define "great".

A successful and prosperous country? Yes. A good country to live in with a high quality of life. In the most part, yes. A model country which others should aspire to emulate? In my opinion, no.

Keyword: opinion.

Yes, your point being?

Good question, that. I've often wondered what the point of muy_thaiguy is, too.

Why shouldn't other countries emulate us? (Except for the Educational system, i agree to change that system with my entire heart)We have a high standard of living, an high GDP, and other great things. Unless your a person the Gov. should take care of you from the cradle to the grave, or be like Switzerland used to be (guaranteed high standard of living through taxpayer dollars.

So what you just said you pretty much contradicted yourself

[Bertros Bertros]

Why shouldn't other countries emulate us?

Being a great country to live in does not de facto mean a great country, that was precisely my point. And anyway is the US that great a country to live in?

Great economy? Reasonable I'd say...

Great welfare system? Depends what side of it your on...

Robust democracy? Err 2000, voting scandals, recounts by my brother, man with the least votes wins etc

Great foreign policy with the vast majority of the rest of the world looking fondly upon the US and their actions outside of their borders? Ok so I'm taking the piss now...

You see what I'm getting at though. Being a comfortable place to live out a privileged life, as both the US and UK are, does not necessarily make them great countries, and certainly does not make them role models.

[umanouski]

Let me get this straight. If the world does not like you, that means your bad?

[MeDeFe]

If the rest of the world doesn't like you a possible and likely reason would be because you're bad.

[muy_thaiguy]

Okay okay, if you are going to keep this thread alive, bring it back to it's actual subject! The crazy feminazi!

[Skittles!]

Okay okay, if you are going to keep this thread alive, bring it back to it's actual subject! The crazy feminazi!

get over that fucking word.

[muy_thaiguy]

Okay okay, if you are going to keep this thread alive, bring it back to it's actual subject! The crazy feminazi!

get over that fucking word.

Not when it perfectly fits a bitch like that. Besides, that IS what this thread started out with.

[MeDeFe]

That doesn't mean it has to end with it.

[muy_thaiguy]

But it wouldn't hurt, now would it?

[MeDeFe]

It might.

[muy_thaiguy]

Only one way to find out.

[MeDeFe]

Only one way to find out either way, and the ways are not compatible.

[Bertros Bertros]

Okay okay, if you are going to keep this thread alive, bring it back to it's actual subject! The crazy feminazi!

I had thought for a moment the little fad for shouting "off topic" as soon as either a) the discussion moves away from the original posters favourite topic or b) someone encounters an argument or train of thought they're not comfortable with had passed, but sadly not it seems.

Its utter bullshit. There is only so much that can be said on most topics, the joy in discussion is the subtle way that topics change, branch and come back together that makes it so interesting. Sure people just spamming an interesting thread can suck but its still preferable to an outing of the off topic police!

[umanouski]

Okay okay, if you are going to keep this thread alive, bring it back to it's actual subject! The crazy feminazi!

get over that fucking word.

Not when it perfectly fits a bitch like that. Besides, that IS what this thread started out with.

That bitch is crazy!

[MeDeFe]

What bitch? I don't see any dogs around here.

[brooksieb]

i dont think it makes men want to look at women and rape em i think it actually calms men down looking at porn same as it does the odd women lol

[unriggable]

Fucking 'y'...

Women.

[muy_thaiguy]

It no longer exists.

[unriggable]

It no longer exists.

What no longer exists?

[muy_thaiguy]

It no longer exists.

What no longer exists?

The website. Click the link.

[Blitzaholic]

lol, she says she wished she'd gotten an abortion...

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:3H ... 182.html+h
ttp://www.womensspace.org/Feminist_Moth ... cd=1&gl=us

I have three sons, ages 16, 15, and 12. I was also in an abusive marriage for ten years in which my 15 year old was a frequent target of my x husband. These boys had a rough time of it, as did we all.
After I left my husband my children acted out for a short time, we all spoke of feeling relief and feeling safe yet there were still some rough spots as I got the hang of trying to do it alone.

Several years ago my accountability program found that the computer had been accessing pornography. Turns out it was my middle son. To date he has been 'caught' accessing pornography many times since then. He was 13 I think when this started.

I banned him from the computer, but after a few months I would allow him to be on it for short periods of time. Each and every single time my son would access pornography within days (and sometimes hours) of being allowed back online. He was aware that he would be caught because the computers are monitored but he chose to do it anyway.

Most recently my youngest son allowed my middle son to play with his PSP. Brandon (the middle child) used it to immediately access pornography online. The child is now banned from computers, video games and so forth. I've talked until I'm blue in the face, I've grown angry and yelled, I've cried when I was alone and when I was in front of him. I've had him read Dworkin, my site, and other places (namely OAG's site) and I still can't unseat this problem. He can recite feminist literature all day long, he can understand the tenets, the ideas behind it, how it links together but he will not allow this knowledge to stand in the way of his porn use.

I don't think I'm looking for advice (I've tried everything I could think of so far) but more a place to simply be sad. I can clearly see why he's looking at pornography, I've figured all that out readily enough, but I can't seem to make it stop.

I know, that as soon as my child leaves my home and moves into his own place that he will be looking at porn immediately. I know that I am raising a problem for women. I know that this child will one day grow and will fully absorb the messages that porn sends to men. I know that my child masturbates to degradation of my people (when I use that phrase I mean womyn) and that with every orgasm he will further solidify his own hatred of and superiority over, women.

I know that there will likely come a day where my son coerces a young woman into sex (rape) and there isn't a damned thing I can do about it. I look into the eyes of my son and they still sparkle like they did when he was a baby, but he's not a baby anymore, he's growing into a man and that man will have trained himself to degrade women before he leaves my home.

As a radical feminist who puts women first I cannot begin to determine what I should do with regards to this issue. My heart breaks because there is nothing I can do to protect the womyn he will come into contact with.

I have three boys. One of them is lost to me and as a mother and a radical womyn this breaks my heart in a way I can scarcely express. I don't know if it says something terrible about me, but you know what haunts me late at night? More than anything else? I know, in my heart of hearts that, knowing what I know now, if I had it to do over again I would have had that abortion.

I also find myself blaming myself over and over again, even though that radical womyn inside of me stands up and yells that I'm placing blame in the wrong place. I'm not sure what I intended to say with this message. I began writing it this morning and put it away again and finally decided to finish it this evening. I think that maybe I just wanted to share, I keep trying with Brandon and I keep failing. He simply doesn't care. When he wants to jerk off, everything goes right out the window.

wow, what a thing for her to say?