Re-Inquisition Mafia - Heretics win!

[wicked]

I need some mafia discussions and debates to keep me awake today. help me out guys!

[The1exile]

Hm. with the lack of anything else to go on, denounce neutrino/autoload, pancakemix and skoffin

[moz976]

Ok well work has calmed down for now and I have been online reading the game from front to back trying to figure out what is going on.

I have a hunch that ga7 is mafia

First off looking back at day one he was against a vote on n8 although he kept saying "I do see how he looks scummy" Kos was doing the same thing. Seems to me like they were trying to avoid loosing a member early but try not to be to obvious about it.

Second ga7 voted for Kos after Kos started saying that he was going to die anyways because of the cough that he got from LSU. If ga7 thought that Kos was going to die anyways this would present a good opportunity to look clean by voting for someone he knew would be confirmed as mafia.

Thirdly ga7 has been after me quite a bit during this game even when I was confirming info from willis. I think he thinks I am an easy target because of my low posting.
And on day one he was pushing for a lynch of me instead of n8 who was later found to be mafia.

Anyways these are my suspicions and I am going to conclude them with a
denounce of ga7

[wicked]

wow this is like a noob game, trying to get people to talk.

[ga7]

Let's see...

1- At the end of day 1 I indeed didn't hammer N8. I was waiting for XC and N8 to claim, and had a gut feeling that XC was the right one because of the voting pattern. Of course I wasn't trying to protect him either, if I recall well I even said that lynching both might be a good idea anyway, as I was pretty sure one of them was scum. The fact that I was leaning more towards an XC lynch doesn't mean I'm scum (I think it would be a pretty stupid idea as scum at least), it means I suck at analyzing votes

2- I voted Koesie on an impulse when he roleclaimed. I thought it was way too fishy, then everyone disagreed saying I misread it. He was coughed on already, but as much as I tried to guess how LSU's killings worked I wasn't expecting a particular person to die at that point. So no, I don't think there was a way to know if he was dead already at that point, and Koesen pushing for LSU's early lynch was obviously an attempt to prevent his possible kill, but I never followed it till LSU claimed he couldn't kill scum.

3- I have been after you for good reasons that already were exposed. On the second day, I made a mistake voting for you before Willis confirmed your claim, and didn't vote for you again because I think it clears you enough. As for day 1, your behavior was looking extremely scummy, contrary to the noobs just being noobs, hence the push. It has nothing to do with low posting either way.

[ga7]

Ok, you have reason enough to prevent me voting you, though, in my opinion, not enough to make me join you. I can see why you would want to kill off potential Cult members but, I don't really think offing one of the most experienced players around on an unproven possibility is the height of good sense.

So, you think it's a bad idea to lynch potential Cult members, but you do the exact same thing with Skoffin and PCM. Inconsistent much?

In any case, I don't see why lynching an experienced player when you think he's scum is a bad idea at that point. It's the same for PCM anyway. I don't really get why no one votes XC for the exact same reasons they're votong PCM & Skoffin, but oh well. The thing is I'm more certain we'll find a scum lynching Wicked and XC, when we know there was a recruiter still alive, than if we lynch PCM & Skoffin, because as much as a liability they can be I believe it's way less certain that the remaining goon got recruiting powers for night 2.

[nagerous]

Ok, you have reason enough to prevent me voting you, though, in my opinion, not enough to make me join you. I can see why you would want to kill off potential Cult members but, I don't really think offing one of the most experienced players around on an unproven possibility is the height of good sense.

So, you think it's a bad idea to lynch potential Cult members, but you do the exact same thing with Skoffin and PCM. Inconsistent much?

In any case, I don't see why lynching an experienced player when you think he's scum is a bad idea at that point. It's the same for PCM anyway. I don't really get why no one votes XC for the exact same reasons they're votong PCM & Skoffin, but oh well. The thing is I'm more certain we'll find a scum lynching Wicked and XC, when we know there was a recruiter still alive, than if we lynch PCM & Skoffin, because as much as a liability they can be I believe it's way less certain that the remaining goon got recruiting powers for night 2.

I think the logic to the denouncing skoffin and pancake argument is much more consistent than the one denouncing wicked and xen. Xen I doubt would be recruited by scum almost certainly because of the high amount of votes he has been collecting. Sure he claimed townie and therefore possible to recruit but I still doubt scum would pick him. As for wicked I don't think denouncing her is a sensible argument either. Wickeds already claimed a power role of some sorts by revealing that she was roleblocked. Pursuing the lead that wicked is experienced and therefore should be burned for being a possible recruit seems somewhat scummy after that revelation.

[ga7]

Well, you're right, I didn't think much of Wicked's claim and don't want to dig in too deep but if she has a power role I don't really get her sudden change of behavior. I'm not convinced but I guess it's better to wait a day to clear it up. As for XC, I really don't think having lots of votes, most of them being early ones for inactivity/lack of contribution, is really such a turn off. But hey, if you want to take risks, I can't convince you

[wicked]

What's my sudden change of behaviour?

[ga7]

You really want to make me read up and find compromising quotes? Now, do you?
I'll do it later, but Mandy already pointed things that don't sit so right a few pages back

[wicked]

meh, Mandy was being Mandy, he didnt' actually have anything worth responding to that I saw. although I have responded to all serious allegations against me, so if you're going to go through the trouble of re-reading, just read my responses too.

You said I changed my behavior, that's nothing that I saw Mandy talking about. No need for quotes, just summarize how you think I changed my behavior?

[mandalorian2298]

meh, Mandy was being Mandy, he didnt' actually have anything worth responding to that I saw. although I have responded to all serious allegations against me, so if you're going to go through the trouble of re-reading, just read my responses too.

You said I changed my behavior, that's nothing that I saw Mandy talking about. No need for quotes, just summarize how you think I changed my behavior?

You want the quotes?! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE QUOTES!!!

Sorry, I just had to do that. Here are the quotes.

Well, I guess nobody will be suprised by this but...denounce wicked. quote="wicked"]ot;];]uot;wicked"]wow, if scum were smart, they'd leave you be in hopes you'd kill yourself off. that's a cool role I guess... do you have to go a direction each night? are there only the 4 cardinal directions?

This is wicked accepting Koesen's claim at face value.

With the recruiter is gone, does that mean one of his goons now steps up into recruiter role?

This is wicked screaming: SINCE I AM NOT SCUM, I REALLY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS! PLEASE MOD, GIVE ME THIS INFORMATION ABOUT HOW YOUR MAFIA CULT WORKS!

Also note that wicked was among the last to denounce Koesen. That brings me to the good news: I don't think that there is a second mafia. I think that the Vig killed Serbia, because (while I was reading Day 2) he seemed to be defending Koesen (voted Jake in response to his voting Koesen.)
Also note that 4 people who denounced mandy 1.0 were: auto, Wicked, N8freeman and Koesen. Two of those people were scum. Auto I am suspicius of, but Wicked went after Koesen during Day 1 wich would make her a good recruit. Distant second would be Talapus because of his superior gameplay, so, in the words of many 1.0: I would like to denounce him out of sheer paranoia. However, since this is a game full of Survivors, I am not ready to advocate massacre just yet. [/quote]

This is wicked screaming: SINCE I AM NOT SCUM, I REALLY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS! PLEASE MOD, GIVE ME THIS INFORMATION ABOUT HOW YOUR MAFIA CULT WORKS!

haha, you're right, I'm not scum Mandy. Thanks for pointing that out. but how do YOU know for sure? hmmm???

You welcome. Could you now explain: a) Why did you need to scream out that you are Town (as I explained previously when I told y'all that Koesen is Scum, that is something that only Scumies feel the need to do. BTW, had you listened to me then, you would not have been recruited. ) and b) If that post was about something other then 'proving' your inocence, why didn't you just check the layout of the first Inquisition? Aim listed all the game mechanics after it finished.

[The1exile]

meh, Mandy was being Mandy

And this is precisely the behaviour that makes good mafia players, like you and Josh for examples, to discount the fact that mandy is actually pretty damn good at mafia, and can't be bothered to read his posts as if they were made by any old player.

This isn't a scum tell, but I do think it's bad for the game in general.

[wicked]

This is wicked accepting Koesen's claim at face value.

I always question anybody about their claim. Getting people to talk about their roles, and role specifics, can often lead to slipups. Doesn't mean I believe someone's role claim just b/c I ask them for more details. This game is partly about getting information and talking, ya know.

With the recruiter is gone, does that mean one of his goons now steps up into recruiter role?

This is wicked screaming: SINCE I AM NOT SCUM, I REALLY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS! PLEASE MOD, GIVE ME THIS INFORMATION ABOUT HOW YOUR MAFIA CULT WORKS!

Nope, that was wicked legitimately asking how a recruiter role works, not remembering ever playing with one before. I never asked the game mod how he's running his cult. This was me discussing possibilities, a possibility I think still might be the case here. Stop putting words in my mouth Mandy.

Also note that wicked was among the last to denounce Koesen. That brings me to the good news: I don't think that there is a second mafia. I think that the Vig killed Serbia, because (while I was reading Day 2) he seemed to be defending Koesen (voted Jake in response to his voting Koesen.)

Whoa, did I miss something? Did someone claim Vig? Who is the "he" you are talking about?

[wicked]

meh, Mandy was being Mandy

And this is precisely the behaviour that makes good mafia players, like you and Josh for examples, to discount the fact that mandy is actually pretty damn good at mafia, and can't be bothered to read his posts as if they were made by any old player.

This isn't a scum tell, but I do think it's bad for the game in general.

On the contrary, I don't think Mandy is a "pretty damn good mafia player" at all, which is why I don't usually bother to respond to him since we get into arguing matches over nothing, which is often detrimental to the game. He's too closeminded and thinks he's figured out the whole game and won't relent, even when he's 100% wrong. I'm sure his wild-ass guesses are correct some of the time, but even a blind squirrel will find a nut eventually.

[ga7]

I believe insane people can have moments of surprisingly accurate insight. Mandy definitely has these moments sometimes
Ok, digging time

[mandalorian2298]

This is wicked accepting Koesen's claim at face value.

I always question anybody about their claim. Getting people to talk about their roles, and role specifics, can often lead to slipups. Doesn't mean I believe someone's role claim just b/c I ask them for more details. This game is partly about getting information and talking, ya know.

I never said anything about you asking him questions. Asking questions is good. I was just saying that Koesen claimed Explorer after being cornered and your reaction was "Wow. Explorer sounds like such a great role", not "So, what have you found out during Night 1".

With the recruiter is gone, does that mean one of his goons now steps up into recruiter role?

This is wicked screaming: SINCE I AM NOT SCUM, I REALLY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS! PLEASE MOD, GIVE ME THIS INFORMATION ABOUT HOW YOUR MAFIA CULT WORKS!

Nope, that was wicked legitimately asking how a recruiter role works, not remembering ever playing with one before. I never asked the game mod how he's running his cult. This was me discussing possibilities, a possibility I think still might be the case here. Stop putting words in my mouth Mandy.

Name one game where you have asked the Mod a questions about the game mecahnics while being Pro-town and I might believe that.

Also note that wicked was among the last to denounce Koesen. That brings me to the good news: I don't think that there is a second mafia. I think that the Vig killed Serbia, because (while I was reading Day 2) he seemed to be defending Koesen (voted Jake in response to his voting Koesen.)

Whoa, did I miss something? Did someone claim Vig? Who is the "he" you are talking about?

Nobody claimed Vig. Serbia claimed male.

[Syzygy]

Also note that wicked was among the last to denounce Koesen. That brings me to the good news: I don't think that there is a second mafia. I think that the Vig killed Serbia, because (while I was reading Day 2) he seemed to be defending Koesen (voted Jake in response to his voting Koesen.)

Whoa, did I miss something? Did someone claim Vig? Who is the "he" you are talking about?

Nobody claimed Vig. Serbia claimed male.

I know, I'm making a useless post that doesn't contribute to the game.

But,

[ga7]

*halfway through weeee* Confirming Mandy's second point soon

[ga7]

EBWOP I meant first point.

[wicked]

This is wicked accepting Koesen's claim at face value.

I always question anybody about their claim. Getting people to talk about their roles, and role specifics, can often lead to slipups. Doesn't mean I believe someone's role claim just b/c I ask them for more details. This game is partly about getting information and talking, ya know.

I never said anything about you asking him questions. Asking questions is good. I was just saying that Koesen claimed Explorer after being cornered and your reaction was "Wow. Explorer sounds like such a great role", not "So, what have you found out during Night 1".

With the recruiter is gone, does that mean one of his goons now steps up into recruiter role?

This is wicked screaming: SINCE I AM NOT SCUM, I REALLY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS! PLEASE MOD, GIVE ME THIS INFORMATION ABOUT HOW YOUR MAFIA CULT WORKS!

Nope, that was wicked legitimately asking how a recruiter role works, not remembering ever playing with one before. I never asked the game mod how he's running his cult. This was me discussing possibilities, a possibility I think still might be the case here. Stop putting words in my mouth Mandy.

Name one game where you have asked the Mod a questions about the game mecahnics while being Pro-town and I might believe that.

Also note that wicked was among the last to denounce Koesen. That brings me to the good news: I don't think that there is a second mafia. I think that the Vig killed Serbia, because (while I was reading Day 2) he seemed to be defending Koesen (voted Jake in response to his voting Koesen.)

Whoa, did I miss something? Did someone claim Vig? Who is the "he" you are talking about?

Nobody claimed Vig. Serbia claimed male.

1. honestly don't remember what I asked him, and am too lazy/tired to look

2. take your pick. all of my recent games. Nag's Mario game. This game multiple times. all the games run together for me now, but I do it often, and all I've been lately is town roles, so like I said, take your pick.

3. I really am tired, I read that 3 times and still didnt' get it. sorry!

[willis]

Time to upgrade my FOS to Denounce Skoffin.

Also keeping my big FOS on PCM

[wicked]

pancake needs to go today too willis, why aren't you denouncing him?

[wicked]

BTW, if I'm wrong about Pancake, which I don't think I am, you guys can lynch me 'tomorrow'.

[willis]

pancake needs to go today too willis, why aren't you denouncing him?

Indeed he does
Denounce PCM
And FOS wicked stop being a bully