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Postby pancakemix on Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:38 pm

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pancakemix wrote:As for my claim, I was just providing it for the sake of example.


So don't you think that looks scummy, saying "hey look at me, I can become a roleblocker if I'm recruited!" No townie would do that. No townie would know the entire game setup on Day 2 either.


Unless a very similar game was run previously, and that townie happened to participate in the aforementioned game while his accusers did not...
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Postby ga7 on Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:40 pm

Mmh I couldn't tell a page number but Skoffin came forward with her claim of Butcher, which was exactly the same as the first Inquisition. If I recall well she did it to bring about the point of names in some roles. Pancake concurred and claimed Little girl. While I agree there was no real need for both these claims, and they are dangerous if the goon can recruit, I'm not comfy with going with this weaker lead right now.

Wicked, you put my sentence out of context, the following line was point the fact we can't be sure for now.
Regarding the general setting anyway, I think it still makes sense that there is just one scum remaining. We were quite lucky to hit scum day 1. Plus LSU's role was quite the hindrance for town already, and it was fortunate Koesen brought upon him his coughing wrath. On the other hand if the goons were automatically getting recruiting powers I'd say the cult mafia would be overpowered, as they could stick around as long as there's one of them... And the fact there's many survivor townies would make it way harder for town to go on a massacre.
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Postby mandalorian2298 on Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:52 pm

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pancakemix wrote:As for my claim, I was just providing it for the sake of example.


So don't you think that looks scummy, saying "hey look at me, I can become a roleblocker if I'm recruited!" No townie would do that. No townie would know the entire game setup on Day 2 either.


Actually, it does make sense in a traitorous way. Survivor Townies are more likely to win if they are recruited. Since pancake is the bucher, he could do a lot damge to the town if he became mafia and he can do no good since mandy 1.0 the Holly has been brutaly cought on. :lol: I say we should definetly lynch Pancake as a precaution. Sorry mate, you brought this on your self.
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Postby pancakemix on Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:53 pm

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pancakemix wrote:As for my claim, I was just providing it for the sake of example.


So don't you think that looks scummy, saying "hey look at me, I can become a roleblocker if I'm recruited!" No townie would do that. No townie would know the entire game setup on Day 2 either.


Actually, it does make sense in a traitorous way. Survivor Townies are more likely to win if they are recruited. Since pancake is the bucher, he could do a lot damge to the town if he became mafia and he can do no good since mandy 1.0 the Holly has been brutaly cought on. :lol: I say we should definetly lynch Pancake as a precaution. Sorry mate, you brought this on your self.


Skoffin is the butcher. Skim much?
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Postby mandalorian2298 on Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:54 pm

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wicked wrote:
pancakemix wrote:As for my claim, I was just providing it for the sake of example.


So don't you think that looks scummy, saying "hey look at me, I can become a roleblocker if I'm recruited!" No townie would do that. No townie would know the entire game setup on Day 2 either.


Actually, it does make sense in a traitorous way. Survivor Townies are more likely to win if they are recruited. Since pancake is the bucher, he could do a lot damge to the town if he became mafia and he can do no good since mandy 1.0 the Holly has been brutaly cought on. :lol: I say we should definetly lynch Pancake as a precaution. Sorry mate, you brought this on your self.


Skoffin is the butcher. Skim much?


Got confused there. :oops: denounce Skoffin. But, my point about you remains, since you could potentialy become a scum Role-blocker. :P
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Postby ga7 on Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:00 pm

Well, I see your point Mandy, they definitely could be a liability. Fact is, if we suceed in getting a scum today and don't win, we'll definitely need to lynch them tomorrow. But I still prefer going for the day 1 recruits first and am not too comfy lynching 4 people today =)
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Postby willis on Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:37 pm

Ok.
FOS Skoffin, PCM, and XC because they have all claimed town of some sort making them good targets for recruiting.

Also I would like to see moz post just a wee bit more.

I'll be back with more later
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Postby wicked on Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:05 pm

both pancake and skoffin are a liability to the town. they both need to go.

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Postby wicked on Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:01 pm

hello people???? can we get some more participation???
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Postby Aimless on Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:58 pm

Denunciation Count
  • XenCobra (1) - ga7
  • wicked (2) - ga7, mandalorian
  • pancakemix (2) - wicked, mandalorian
  • Skoffin (2) - mandalorian, wicked
  • Yet to Denounce (10) - pancakemix, nagerous, XenCobra, The1exile, willis, moz, Talapus, Neutrino, Syzygy, Skoffin
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

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Postby XenCobra on Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:19 am

Well before I leave, ill denounce moz since he isn't active, and I need a denounce. If I do make it through today and the night, Ill be someday thursday. I might be able to read and post something in the morning, not to sure though.
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Postby Syzygy on Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:47 am

Denounce: Skoffin and pancakemix.

They are both big liabilities as they would be first on any recruitment list.
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Postby pancakemix on Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:53 am

I doubt there is a second mafia/cult significantly. Why, if there were 2 cult mafias, would there only be 1 kill on the nights there were kills?
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Postby wicked on Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:29 am

I doubt it too, now that we've had a couple nights of info to go off of. Still doesn't change the fact that both you and Skoffin have claimed roles the scum would love to recruit. And no one else has come forward to say they blocked me with a pro-town blocking role, so it's looking even worse for you pancake.
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Postby pancakemix on Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:31 am

wicked wrote:I doubt it too, now that we've had a couple nights of info to go off of. Still doesn't change the fact that both you and Skoffin have claimed roles the scum would love to recruit. And no one else has come forward to say they blocked me with a pro-town blocking role, so it's looking even worse for you pancake.


The Watchman role (if I remember right) is also a protective role, so him coming forward would cost us a doc.
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Postby Neutrino on Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:39 am

ga7 wrote:Neutrino, you must have missed it, I explained twice why Wicked and XC were likely recruits.

wicked wrote:p.s.... LSU's coughings already killed who they're going to ... I presume he can't cough after he's been lynched.

Well, maybe he did it just to scare us off. I'm not too sure.

wicked wrote:With the recruiter is gone, does that mean one of his goons now steps up into recruiter role?

I doubt so, except if tonight's kill was really vig-made...

I'll repeat one more time my point about XC and Wicky, because if there's votes that aren't popping out of thin air, it's these ones :P

Day 1 we killed the goon. No kills the following night. Exile already explained how it worked: if alone the recruiter has to choose between a NK and a recruitment attempt. I think it's highly probable he really was alone, considering the number of survivor roles that were having a special twist when recruited, I don't think the cult started with 3 members.
Day 2 LSU kills the cult leader.

Thus, the cult leader could get one recruit. XC is the obvious choice, because he claimed "normal" townie. Then babbles about him not being a survivor way after (thanks for finding that PCM, it had totally slipped my mind). It doesn't matter if he had a lot of votes at the end of day 1, what would be the chances for that to repeat itself? I say slim. He was the only to claim townie on day 1, what cult recruiter wouldn't want a sure recruit when left alone right from the start?

Then, my point about Wicked. Both N8 and Koesen voted her for slim reason. She helped getting N8 lynched. She's the one that looks the most like a townie out of day 1 events. Add to that the fact she supported the "a lynch a day" guideline, which hints a bit at survivor role. It's a less obvious recruit than XC, but a pretty good one for Koesie to make. Then there's the following behavior pointed out by Mandy, that fits with the whole 'recruited at night 1' theory.

I'm confident about one of these 2 being scum. I believe we have a chance at ending this today without having to lynch 90% of the remaining people. If it doesn't work, well there's only one NK so it's not risky anyway.


Ok, you have reason enough to prevent me voting you, though, in my opinion, not enough to make me join you. I can see why you would want to kill off potential Cult members but, I don't really think offing one of the most experienced players around on an unproven possibility is the height of good sense.

As for PCM/Skoffin: role claiming, especially unecessilary, a very scum-friendly role is a really, really bad idea. I don't know whether it was the ol' survivor survival instincts kicking in (better chance of winning if they join the Cult) or belief in the destinct absence of a recruiter or some form of elaborate suicide. In any event, it was the height of stupidity and thus deserves to be punished, terminally.

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Postby wicked on Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:43 am

pancakemix wrote:
wicked wrote:I doubt it too, now that we've had a couple nights of info to go off of. Still doesn't change the fact that both you and Skoffin have claimed roles the scum would love to recruit. And no one else has come forward to say they blocked me with a pro-town blocking role, so it's looking even worse for you pancake.


The Watchman role (if I remember right) is also a protective role, so him coming forward would cost us a doc.


OK, never heard of that role, but I do NOT want the doc to out himself, b/c I'm hoping he'll protect me.

Still doesn't change the fact that there's a good chance I'm right about you being scum and you are a liability to the town, along with skoffin.
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Postby pancakemix on Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:44 am

](*,) Why. Won't. Any. Body. Listen? Based on the killings, the chances of there being 2 scum groups are so unlikely that it's not even worth considering.
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Postby wicked on Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:46 am

Right, I agree with you right now Pancake. However the first group may still have recruiting abilities. Should've thought of that before you told the world your role.
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Postby pancakemix on Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:47 am

wicked wrote:Right, I agree with you right now Pancake. However the first group may still have recruiting abilities. Should've thought of that before you told the world your role.


That would be too overpowered. At least I think so.
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Postby Neutrino on Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:47 am

pancakemix wrote:](*,) Why. Won't. Any. Body. Listen? Based on the killings, the chances of there being 2 scum groups are so unlikely that it's not even worth considering.


But to even out the game, that scum group would have had to be huge, and, to stop all their eggs being in one basket, would have to have had more than 1 recriuter.
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Postby wicked on Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:51 am

Plus it's already been stated a bunch how the scum had a hard time last game and Aim was going to even it out a bit.
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Postby wicked on Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:02 am

come on moz, I've seen you browsing for awhile now...
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Postby wicked on Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:24 am

ok, we've yet to hear from MOZ, SKOFFIN and TALAPUS "today". So denounce Moz and denounce Talapus.
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Postby The1exile on Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:28 am

pancakemix wrote:
wicked wrote:I doubt it too, now that we've had a couple nights of info to go off of. Still doesn't change the fact that both you and Skoffin have claimed roles the scum would love to recruit. And no one else has come forward to say they blocked me with a pro-town blocking role, so it's looking even worse for you pancake.


The Watchman role (if I remember right) is also a protective role, so him coming forward would cost us a doc.


He's got a point. The watchman claiming is a bad idea imho.
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