theoldgrouch & alex_draper

[crzyblue]

These are suspected Multis

Suspect users: theoldgrouch & alex_draper

Game number: http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=694918

Comments: they take their turns exactly 1 after another, never sametime but 1 after another... i don't really care that much if you have to cheat to win well sorry you are that low of a person... but always worth looking into

crzyblue

[crzyblue]

bump for multi hunter

[crzyblue]

obviously this one keeps getting over looked

[dustn64]

They could very well be just living in the same house or something. I say that because they don't play single games together.

[alex_draper]

There was no cheating here. Infact my brothers and myself enjoy playing this game anlong with our xbox 360's online. We'd break and fireup the laptops on the wireless routers. In a Free Style game we could all logon and attack as a team. I can understand if this might be considered cheating, however we didn't think it was. I'm sorry if someone thought i was cheating as i see many games were more than one team mate is online. The only reason i'm posting here now is the fact my Premium Membership has been cancelled. They tell me i must buy a new membership. I only had it for less than 2 months. I need to know will i receive a refund for my money? Who is this "crzyblue" who stated i'm a cheat?

[crzyblue]

Well lets look at the facts through out the game. always just long enough to log out and log in.

you're partner Deadbeat... probably cause they knew you were multis

2007-07-30 19:52:57 - theoldgrouch receives 3 armies for 7 territories
2007-07-30 19:54:41 - theoldgrouch deployed 3 armies on Ukraine
2007-07-30 19:54:51 - alex_draper receives 3 armies for 5 territories
2007-07-30 19:54:58 - alex_draper deployed 3 armies on Ukraine
2007-07-31 22:55:47 - theoldgrouch receives 3 armies for 5 territories
2007-07-31 22:57:03 - theoldgrouch gets a card
2007-07-31 22:57:40 - alex_draper receives 3 armies for 4 territories
2007-08-01 08:31:21 - theoldgrouch receives 3 armies for 5 territories
2007-08-01 08:31:41 - theoldgrouch deployed 3 armies on Kamchatka
2007-08-01 08:31:46 - alex_draper receives 2 armies for holding South America
2007-08-01 17:14:34 - theoldgrouch receives 3 armies for 10 territories
2007-08-01 17:15:18 - theoldgrouch fortified Western United States with 1 armies from Alberta
2007-08-01 17:15:35 - alex_draper receives 2 armies for holding South America
2007-08-02 16:36:33 - theoldgrouch receives 3 armies for 5 territories
2007-08-02 16:37:12 - theoldgrouch gets a card
2007-08-02 16:37:16 - alex_draper receives 2 armies for holding South America
2007-08-03 06:27:06 - theoldgrouch gets a card
2007-08-03 06:28:55 - alex_draper receives 2 armies for holding South America
2007-08-04 08:09:14 - alex_draper gets a card
2007-08-04 08:11:38 - theoldgrouch receives 3 armies for 3 territories

[alex_draper]

Well lets look at the facts through out the game. always just long enough to log out and log in.

you're partner Deadbeat... probably cause they knew you were multis

Like i've stated we were playing on a Dlink wireless router. We started playing after the Xbox 360 lan party. Yes we were on at the same time because a freestyle game allows us to do so. Theoldgrouch wasn't in the right place to kick your butt at the time and gave me his armies. If you read the whole file, everyone gave each other armies. That's what team players do we fort the player in the best location. You could of easily won had your team played like a team. Seems the rules should be writen so players can understand wireless laptop parties are not allowed or are they? I have decided we will not play like this any more and the web master will soon notice everyone who played on my router will play with thier own internet at home with thier own IP numbers. Then i expect to be given my Premium Membership back. I AM NOT A CHEAT!

[crzyblue]

that's not the point being proven with that log file buddy... it proves that between the time one ended a turn and one started a turn is a perfect time to log out and log in.

[Night Strike]

Well lets look at the facts through out the game. always just long enough to log out and log in.

you're partner Deadbeat... probably cause they knew you were multis

2007-07-30 19:52:57 - theoldgrouch receives 3 armies for 7 territories
2007-07-30 19:54:41 - theoldgrouch deployed 3 armies on Ukraine
2007-07-30 19:54:51 - alex_draper receives 3 armies for 5 territories
2007-07-30 19:54:58 - alex_draper deployed 3 armies on Ukraine
2007-07-31 22:55:47 - theoldgrouch receives 3 armies for 5 territories
2007-07-31 22:57:03 - theoldgrouch gets a card
2007-07-31 22:57:40 - alex_draper receives 3 armies for 4 territories
2007-08-01 08:31:21 - theoldgrouch receives 3 armies for 5 territories
2007-08-01 08:31:41 - theoldgrouch deployed 3 armies on Kamchatka
2007-08-01 08:31:46 - alex_draper receives 2 armies for holding South America
2007-08-01 17:14:34 - theoldgrouch receives 3 armies for 10 territories
2007-08-01 17:15:18 - theoldgrouch fortified Western United States with 1 armies from Alberta
2007-08-01 17:15:35 - alex_draper receives 2 armies for holding South America
2007-08-02 16:36:33 - theoldgrouch receives 3 armies for 5 territories
2007-08-02 16:37:12 - theoldgrouch gets a card
2007-08-02 16:37:16 - alex_draper receives 2 armies for holding South America
2007-08-03 06:27:06 - theoldgrouch gets a card
2007-08-03 06:28:55 - alex_draper receives 2 armies for holding South America
2007-08-04 08:09:14 - alex_draper gets a card
2007-08-04 08:11:38 - theoldgrouch receives 3 armies for 3 territories

According to this log, there is no way for these two to be multis. There is not enough time between anything for them to be going back and forth on the same computer. It would have had to have been different computers, therefore different players (even if they do have the same IP). Several instances are posted from the log where a player gets a card and then less than 10 seconds later the next person receives armies. That's very hard to do. Other instances show that one person deploys and less than 10 seconds later the other receives armies. The log posted here is incomplete because it doesn't show any attacks. These players are obviously not multis.

[alex_draper]

that's not the point being proven with that log file buddy... it proves that between the time one ended a turn and one started a turn is a perfect time to log out and log in.

Lets look at the facts. Myself and the theoldgrouch logged on together is a fact. Infact i stated this in the last two post.

The rules state:

#1 No multiple accounts.
#2 No secret alliances.

Now we didn't break rule #1 because theoldgrouch and i have different accounts and different IP addresses ie different internet providers. However we do play together alot along with paranormal freak as we enjoy the xbox 360 lan parties. We do this alot. I have a Dlink wireless router and they have laptop computers. So in a Freestyle game each player on a team can log on together and play and we did that as well. Most team players use live chat and attack at the same time and do the same thing theoldgrouch and i did. The armies were put in the best place at the best time to attack the other teams armies. So did it break rule #1 no because there is more than one person. Did i break rule #1 because i was using a wireless router and chatted face to face instead of live chat to attack the other team? No. Does the rules state anything about lan parties and the use of routers? No.

Now lets look at rule #2 No Secret Allianes. Rule number 2 must be based on a Standard game not a Team Game. If rule #2 was meant for the team game then why does this website offer live chat. The fact live chat is offered means the other team can not hear the secrets. The fact this website has team chat really means secrets. So did i break rule #2? No. So if i didn't break rule one or two then what is the problem?

I've stated we play lan parties at my house and play on Conquer Club when it's our turn. We all have different IP Addresses when we are not playing at my house so no rules were broken. I'm sorry if you and the webmaster thought i was cheating during team play. Myself, theoldgrouch and paranormal freak didn't break any stated rules and we should be allowed to play again. If asked, we will not play together on the wireless router. Please do not call us cheaters! There was no cheating here and i demand my Premium Membership back.

Please do not delete this post as i wrote it with a cooler head webmaster.

Alex draper
Ontario Canada

[alex_draper]

So how do i get my Premium Membership back?

[misterman10]

This whole accusation is hilarious. THEY PLAY IN FREAKING DOUBLES AND TRIPLES GAMES TOGETHER. They have not played against each other in a single game. The idiot who started this thread must be mad that he lost.

[alex_draper]

This whole accusation is hilarious. THEY PLAY IN FREAKING DOUBLES AND TRIPLES GAMES TOGETHER. They have not played against each other in a single game. The idiot who started this thread must be mad that he lost.

Perhaps! The real problem is i'm out $16 on my members and was called a cheat in this forum. I want my membership back. The other two now only play at home with their IP numbers, I don't think Conquer Club has looked into this at all. Check their IP numbers now and you'll notice i'm telling the truth and shouldn't have to pay another $20 just to access the games again. Also theoldgrouch and paranormal freak can't join any new games.

The rules do not state anything about routers and i did not cheat. If any one else thinks i should just shutup then i will.

Alex...

[Night Strike]

This whole accusation is hilarious. THEY PLAY IN FREAKING DOUBLES AND TRIPLES GAMES TOGETHER. They have not played against each other in a single game. The idiot who started this thread must be mad that he lost.

The rules do not state anything about routers and i did not cheat. If any one else thinks i should just shutup then i will.

Alex...

I think you should shut-up.

Actually, did you send an e-ticket via the help button mentioning your complaint?? That is probably the best way to take of your situation. It will generally take a few days for something to be taken care of and reinstating a premium membership is probably something that only lack can do and he may be pretty busy.

[alex_draper]

Actually, did you send an e-ticket via the help button mentioning your complaint?? That is probably the best way to take of your situation. It will generally take a few days for something to be taken care of and reinstating a premium membership is probably something that only lack can do and he may be pretty busy.

Yes i did send the e-ticket, i just haven't heard back from them. Thank you for your advice in this matter Night Strike. If i was a cheater i would just quietly walk away from this site. However i have been wrongly accused of cheating. I must tell my side of the story

Alex...

[Night Strike]

Actually, did you send an e-ticket via the help button mentioning your complaint?? That is probably the best way to take of your situation. It will generally take a few days for something to be taken care of and reinstating a premium membership is probably something that only lack can do and he may be pretty busy.

Yes i did send the e-ticket, i just haven't heard back from them. Thank you for your advice in this matter Night Strike. If i was a cheater i would just quietly walk away from this site. However i have been wrongly accused of cheating. I must tell my side of the story

Alex...

I know, that's when I was just joking when I agreed for you to shut-up.

[alex_draper]

I'm pleased to report after the review and investigation we've been cleared of the cheating charges and given our memberships back. If someone calls you a cheat in this forum and you didn't cheat, standup for yourself and write out a ticket. Thank you to everone who took the time to listen to my side. Take care and see you in the battlefield.