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Postby Fircoal on Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:20 pm

kalishnikov wrote:
kwanton wrote:It sounded to me like aimless is the gunsmith or whatever its called. Investigates like a cop but instead of scum/town he finds out whether or not the person has a gun. Only thing is if mandy is a cop he would have a gun.

I'm sure there are other investigative role possibilities but I'm not familiar with them.


Possibly, but as far as I'm aware, the gunsmith just finds out whether you have a gun or not, not what your alignment is. However I could be wrong.


Yes, he said that, and I think that Aimless is not, because what's already said.
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Postby ga7 on Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:56 pm

Well Kalish, the thing is no one tells me why I'm so scummy right now. I can defend myself if there's arguments, I saw none. Anyway...

A minor investigative role like Gun owner is an interesting idea, I suppose it wouldn't make the town too overpowered. Aimless said if Mandy claimed it would clarify his investigation, so I suppose it could be that, but the point is he isn't certain his investigation is enough to clear Mandy.

As for the cop thing, Fircoal has a point, now the problem is that if Mandy doesn't claim or claims cop to justify his vote with no arguments, he has many ways to get away with it after I die. You really built up the perfect defense for him if he's scum. We'll see what he says I guess...
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Postby Aimless on Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:59 pm

Okay; more typical "Aimless" disclaimers follow.

First, it is now 2:53 PM Saturday, July 21st, US EST. I just finished HP. Draw your own conclusions to how much sleep I've had. ;)

Second, in case or large error in the below, refer to above.

ga7 wrote:Now, about the investigate roles, it seems weird to me that there'd be 2 of them. So, if there's really a cop out there, IMO this claim is a bit fishy. It's also possible Aimless has the only investigative role... Either way, I'm not convinced we should rely too heavily on this. I'm also not sure I understand why you wanted a mass roleclaim if your only investigation came up as townie Aimless... I feel this deserves to be examined more in depth, soFOS Aimless.


You haven't played with me, so I'll forgive you for not knowing that when I look scummiest is usually when I'm town.

That said, there are many non-cop investigative roles to begin with. I have never yet been in a game with a non-cop investigative role that did not also have a cop.

Regarding the mass roleclaim - a mass claim is a way for the townies to try to break the game, by pooling the information we all have. Yes, if we all claim, the mafia are going to have an easy time picking off the power roles. But that's only if they live long enough to do it. The point of a mass claim is to finish the game now, or at the very least to finish the game by the following day. Once the town has sufficient information, power roles become superfluous, and protecting them no longer matters.

In a game with multiple lynches and multiple investigative roles, I think a mass claim is a damned good idea. At the very least, it will give us a core player basis of confirmed townies. If this core is sufficiently large (in this case, 4 players), we can lynch everyone else, and town will automatically win. I'm of the opinion that, between my role and the cop, we already have enough information to generate four confirmed townies.

Pain Killer wrote: so for now vote ga7, i'm still waiting replys from both of them, if mandy doesn't have a good reason for lynching ga7, than my vote would change.


Woah there. If my count is correct, that puts ga7 at lynch -1. Slow up.

Although I am a little worried regarding his "roleblocker" claim (roleblocker is a damned good fake claim), his demeanor at the moment strongly suggests to me that ga7 is town (or that he's well-played scum).

Pain Killer wrote:Now, about the investigate roles, it seems weird to me that there'd be 2 of them. So, if there's really a cop out there, IMO this claim is a bit fishy. It's also possible Aimless has the only investigative role... Either way, I'm not convinced we should rely too heavily on this. I'm also not sure I understand why you wanted a mass roleclaim if your only investigation came up as townie Aimless... I feel this deserves to be examined more in depth, soFOS Aimless.


See above.

I have never been in a game with a non-cop investigative role that did not also have a cop. Thus, you cannot use any possible coincidence of roles as a scum tell here.

kwanton wrote:It sounded to me like aimless is the gunsmith or whatever its called. Investigates like a cop but instead of scum/town he finds out whether or not the person has a gun. Only thing is if mandy is a cop he would have a gun.


Speculation regarding my role will defeat it. If it becomes necessary, I will claim. Until then, I've said what needs to be said; further discussion (at least regarding the nature of my role, as opposed to the veracity of my result) is counter-productive.
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Postby Fircoal on Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:00 pm

ga7 wrote: Well Kalish, the thing is no one tells me why I'm so scummy right now. I can defend myself if there's arguments, I saw none. Anyway...

I argee, the only case, I've really seen against Ga7 is Mandy is a cop, which as I'll say again, you put in his mouth.
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Postby ga7 on Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:14 pm

You don't look so scummy Aimless, should we worry? :lol:
Anyway, I came around the idea that there's 2 investigative roles, then yes a massive roleclaim might be enough to confirm enough townies. At the beginning of the day I just thought there were still too many alive to be able to do that, but it makes more sense to me now to do it early. Either way, I did my claim so it's not my call :P
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Postby kwanton on Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:16 pm

Speculation of your role will defeat it?

That sounds pretty odd to me. I can think of no role where just discussing it would deafeat it's purpose. But whatever. I'll drop it for now.
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Postby Fircoal on Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:25 pm

ga7 wrote:You don't look so scummy Aimless, should we worry? :lol:
Anyway, I came around the idea that there's 2 investigative roles, then yes a massive roleclaim might be enough to confirm enough townies. At the beginning of the day I just thought there were still too many alive to be able to do that, but it makes more sense to me now to do it early. Either way, I did my claim so it's not my call :P


I think we should, do a mass roleclaim. It'll help us get info, and we won't have anymore of people putting claimes into someone's mouth.
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Postby mandalorian2298 on Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:05 pm

ga7 wrote:PK, could it be that you took 15 mns to write this? :roll:

Well, back to business, you won't make me stop with your vote! :lol:

Let's look at Mandy's defense.

mandalorian22981 wrote:1) I didn't vote for Chad because I didn't know that he was scum
2) I was FOSing chad, but you were voting Red Bull. I think that it is abundantly obvious who was 'moving the heat from him'. Also, I NEVER protect my scum-buddies. "If you get yourself in trouble, you won't pull me in with you :P ", is my motto.
3. Didn't you read my whole post? I think I presented good reasons for stoping at two blind lynches (though I changed my mind when Aimless pointed out the advantages of killing one more.)
4. I'm pissed of at Spin because of his behaviour of late (He is on my black list). And since we were going to blind-lynch someone I wanted to mix buissnes with pleasure. :twisted:


1&2: No, when you posted this my vote wasn't on RB but on Chad. Geez, I even posted the page number. Matter of fact, the deadline was coming close, we weren't sure if we could get a lynch, and yet you avoid voting. You might never protect your scum buddies, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't avoid voting for them if the lynch isn't clear.
3: I read it, and presented the reasons why it was weird back then. I understand you retracted this opinion, but it still striked me as scummy that you were so eager to finish with this bad day for scum.
4: Fair enough, I'm pissed off at Spin too, and this could have made a fine 3rd lynch, but pushing for lynching inactives is still a scum-tell IMO so I putted it there too.

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2. You are right, I apologizr. Your vote on redbull was on page 12 and I missed your switch. It's 40 degres Celsius here, so my concentration is compromised.
3. I didn't know that they are scum and I felt that enough people have been lynched blind.
4. Nobody else stuck me as scummy and you guys wanted a lynch.

Having said that, my vote still stands on you for above mentioned reason.
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Postby Fircoal on Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:07 pm

MAndy, what about everyone calling you the cop, is that all you have to say?
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Postby ga7 on Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:14 pm

And what above mentionned reasons? :shock:
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Postby Pain Killer on Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:19 pm

Aimless wrote:
Pain Killer wrote:Now, about the investigate roles, it seems weird to me that there'd be 2 of them. So, if there's really a cop out there, IMO this claim is a bit fishy. It's also possible Aimless has the only investigative role... Either way, I'm not convinced we should rely too heavily on this. I'm also not sure I understand why you wanted a mass roleclaim if your only investigation came up as townie Aimless... I feel this deserves to be examined more in depth, soFOS Aimless.


:-s i never said that! i see you put some quotes wrong there. in any case a vote count whould help, i didn't even realise that we were so close to a lynch.
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Postby ga7 on Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:25 pm

I'm at lynch -2 in fact. By my count:
ga7 (5) Mandy Incan Koesen Kalish PK
Mandy (1) ga7

And yeah that one was something I said :wink:
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Postby mandalorian2298 on Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:47 pm

Fircoal wrote:MAndy, what about everyone calling you the cop, is that all you have to say?


Everybody loves guys in uniforms. 8)
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Postby Fircoal on Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:52 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
Fircoal wrote:MAndy, what about everyone calling you the cop, is that all you have to say?


Everybody loves guys in uniforms. 8)


Vote: MAndy

CLAIM COP OR DENY THE CLAIM!
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Postby kwanton on Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:56 pm

Lol @ pissing fircoal off.

Anyway about 24 hours til the deadline.

ga7 thanks for the count. I'm still borderline between voting ga7 and mandy. Good points have been made for lynching ga7. Then again mandy is just acting weird.
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Postby Fircoal on Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:57 pm

kwanton wrote:Lol @ pissing fircoal off.

Anyway about 24 hours til the deadline.

ga7 thanks for the count. I'm still borderline between voting ga7 and mandy. Good points have been made for lynching ga7. Then again mandy is just acting weird.


Kwan, it's not Mandy, it's GImp that's getting me mad. :evil:
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Postby LSU Tiger Josh on Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:15 pm

Vote Count 7 needed for lynch
ga7 (Mandy, Incan, Koeson, Kalish, Pain Killer,
mandalorian2298 (GA7, Fircoal,
Fircoal (Aimless, Exile)

Random Vigilante is something you can speculate on, but I can't say more then that until you die as it could possibly influence gameplay. The new HP book is good as I finished it this morning at 7am and been sleeping. you have just under 24 hours to lynch.



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Postby pancakemix on Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:43 pm

Fircoal wrote:FOS: Everyone who either, thinks MAndy shouldn't claim, or thinks that if Ga7 is town, and MAndy said nothing about being a cop thinks MAndy should be lynched. Both VERY scummy ideas.


Fircoal wrote:Vote: MAndy

CLAIM COP OR DENY THE CLAIM!


I think that vote might be a little contradictory with the underlined section.

On ga, I'm just not getting scum from him. That might be that I've been really messed up in the head as of late, like I usually am in the summer, but he's not setting off any scum alarms to me.
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Postby Fircoal on Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:44 pm

pancakemix wrote:
Fircoal wrote:FOS: Everyone who either, thinks MAndy shouldn't claim, or thinks that if Ga7 is town, and MAndy said nothing about being a cop thinks MAndy should be lynched. Both VERY scummy ideas.


Fircoal wrote:Vote: MAndy

CLAIM COP OR DENY THE CLAIM!


I think that vote might be a little contradictory with the underlined section.


Sorry, I meant if we kill Ga7, and he's town, and then say to go after MAndy, when he didn't claim. :wink:
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Postby ga7 on Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:50 pm

Ah, I had missed Fircoal's line for my count, thanks LSU.

mandalorian2298 wrote:
Fircoal wrote:MAndy, what about everyone calling you the cop, is that all you have to say?


Everybody loves guys in uniforms. 8)


:lol: Way to keep the ambiguity.

kwanton wrote:I'm still borderline between voting ga7 and mandy. Good points have been made for lynching ga7. Then again mandy is just acting weird.

Ah good, can you finally tell me these points? :P

Anyway, 24 hours to go, unless my voters change their mind the rest of you will have to vote for me :wink:
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Postby mandalorian2298 on Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:53 pm

Fircoal wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote:
Fircoal wrote:MAndy, what about everyone calling you the cop, is that all you have to say?


Everybody loves guys in uniforms. 8)


Vote: MAndy

CLAIM COP OR DENY THE CLAIM!


YOU CLAIM COP OR DENY THE CLAIM! :P
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Postby Fircoal on Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:59 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
Fircoal wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote:
Fircoal wrote:MAndy, what about everyone calling you the cop, is that all you have to say?


Everybody loves guys in uniforms. 8)


Vote: MAndy

CLAIM COP OR DENY THE CLAIM!


YOU CLAIM COP OR DENY THE CLAIM! :P


*Gets a BAseball bat, and starts beating up MAndy with it*

CLAIM! or I'll get even better weapons to beat you up with. :evil:
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Postby kalishnikov on Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:40 pm

Honestly ga7, I don't really think you seem scummy. I'm under the belief that mandalorian is a cop (he's at least town, he was investigated by Aimless) and he investigated you and got scum, thus my vote.

At this point we've got less then 24 hours till deadline, and no other leads. It would be bad for us if we don't get at least 1 lynch today considering the scum will probably make 2 kills again tonight.

1 thing is for sure though, either ga7 or mandalorian is scum. Since mandy's been proven as town by an investigation, you see where I'm going with this.... If ga7's clean, we lynch mandalorian and possibly Aimless tomorrow.

The real question is, how detrimental will it be to the town if we don't lynch ga7? Assuming he's scum, he could be a recruiter or something worse. Should we really take that chance and let him live another night?
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Postby Fircoal on Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:53 pm

kalishnikov wrote: Honestly ga7, I don't really think you seem scummy. I'm under the belief that mandalorian is a cop (he's at least town, he was investigated by Aimless) and he investigated you and got scum, thus my vote.



Again, why do you think Mandy is a cop. Someone put those words in his mouth, not the other way around.

kalishnikov wrote:At this point we've got less then 24 hours till deadline, and no other leads. It would be bad for us if we don't get at least 1 lynch today considering the scum will probably make 2 kills again tonight.


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kalishnikov wrote:1 thing is for sure though, either ga7 or mandalorian is scum. Since mandy's been proven as town by an investigation, you see where I'm going with this.... If ga7's clean, we lynch mandalorian and possibly Aimless tomorrow.


Actually it's not for sure, can you explain, why you think that? Also once again, why lynch MAndy, if ga7 is town. He never said he was the cop.

kalishnikov wrote:The real question is, how detrimental will it be to the town if we don't lynch ga7? Assuming he's scum, he could be a recruiter or something worse. Should we really take that chance and let him live another night?


uh, we could, think of it the other way, if he's town it's just a roleblocker, not much.
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Postby Koesen on Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:00 pm

Sorry for the quick unexplained vote. I understand it looks suspicious, but I'm buried by the Monster Project of Doom in work, and I really have very, very little time.

In a nutshell, I voted for ga7 because of his voting behavior on day1 and because I felt Aimless and, in his wake, Mandy, seemed more reliable.

I do think Mandy's recent behavior is odd, but for now I'm keeping my vote.

I'm not completely sure I'll be back before the deadline, and I do want at least one linch. ga7 is still my main candidate, although I'm not 100% sure.
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