Happy 4th of July.

[Iz Man]

Iz Man is so naive. He thinks that if America didn't invent those things, no-one could have possibly invented them either.
I notice "atomic bomb" is on the list. Quite frankly that should never have been invented.

I'm naive?
Don't worry, when you grow up and get big, you'll get it.

Oh, and the atomic bomb won the war, by the way.
It also paved the way for nuclear power.

Who exactly is the naive one again?

Hypocrite. I notice you didn't bother to re-argue with me on the 1st point.
As for the atomic bomb, you could have quite easily won the war without it. Guess what else it led to...the frikken COLD WAR
If you have such a dogmatic attitude, I suggest you stay out of adult conversations. I repeat, you are naive.

I did answer your first statement, you're just too young & naive to understand it.
Yeah, we probably would have won the war without the big one. Not the point of why we used it. We used it because it saved several hundred thousand American lives by doing so.
The cold war was on its way into full swing before the end of WWII anyways. The atomic bomb had nothing to do with it.
Like I said, when you grow up and move out of your parents' house, you'll get a better idea of how the world operates.

[Fircoal]

Iz Man is so naive. He thinks that if America didn't invent those things, no-one could have possibly invented them either.
I notice "atomic bomb" is on the list. Quite frankly that should never have been invented.

QFT

[Minister Masket]

Iz Man is so naive. He thinks that if America didn't invent those things, no-one could have possibly invented them either.
I notice "atomic bomb" is on the list. Quite frankly that should never have been invented.

I'm naive?
Don't worry, when you grow up and get big, you'll get it.

Oh, and the atomic bomb won the war, by the way.
It also paved the way for nuclear power.

Who exactly is the naive one again?

Hypocrite. I notice you didn't bother to re-argue with me on the 1st point.
As for the atomic bomb, you could have quite easily won the war without it. Guess what else it led to...the frikken COLD WAR
If you have such a dogmatic attitude, I suggest you stay out of adult conversations. I repeat, you are naive.

I did answer your first statement, you're just too young & naive to understand it.
Yeah, we probably would have won the war without the big one. Not the point of why we used it. We used it because it saved several hundred thousand American lives by doing so.
The cold war was on its way into full swing before the end of WWII anyways. The atomic bomb had nothing to do with it.
Like I said, when you grow up and move out of your parents' house, you'll get a better idea of how the world operates.

Of course it saved American lives, oh, but only at the price of thousands of Japanese lives instead. But that doesn't matter to you does it? Tw@t.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Iz Man is so naive. He thinks that if America didn't invent those things, no-one could have possibly invented them either.
I notice "atomic bomb" is on the list. Quite frankly that should never have been invented.

I'm naive?
Don't worry, when you grow up and get big, you'll get it.

Oh, and the atomic bomb won the war, by the way.
It also paved the way for nuclear power.

Who exactly is the naive one again?

Hypocrite. I notice you didn't bother to re-argue with me on the 1st point.
As for the atomic bomb, you could have quite easily won the war without it. Guess what else it led to...the frikken COLD WAR
If you have such a dogmatic attitude, I suggest you stay out of adult conversations. I repeat, you are naive.

I did answer your first statement, you're just too young & naive to understand it.
Yeah, we probably would have won the war without the big one. Not the point of why we used it. We used it because it saved several hundred thousand American lives by doing so.
The cold war was on its way into full swing before the end of WWII anyways. The atomic bomb had nothing to do with it.
Like I said, when you grow up and move out of your parents' house, you'll get a better idea of how the world operates.

Japan refused to surrender so the bomb came into play
Also on a note, Germany was also making the bomb, we happened to just get so lucky as to bomb the facility it was in and stop production.
Japan was also trying to build the bomb, but they didnt show as much intrest in the weapon as we did.
Quite frankly, if we didnt get the bomb active first, WWII would probably look very very different

[dwightschrute]

Iz Man is so naive. He thinks that if America didn't invent those things, no-one could have possibly invented them either.
I notice "atomic bomb" is on the list. Quite frankly that should never have been invented.

I'm naive?
Don't worry, when you grow up and get big, you'll get it.

Oh, and the atomic bomb won the war, by the way.
It also paved the way for nuclear power.

Who exactly is the naive one again?

Hypocrite. I notice you didn't bother to re-argue with me on the 1st point.
As for the atomic bomb, you could have quite easily won the war without it. Guess what else it led to...the frikken COLD WAR
If you have such a dogmatic attitude, I suggest you stay out of adult conversations. I repeat, you are naive.

Iz man said it perfectly, MM stop telling people that they are wrong and actually think of how much the US has done to help the world.

[MeDeFe]

/me ignores all previous posts


Happy Birthday USA!

[Minister Masket]

Iz Man is so naive. He thinks that if America didn't invent those things, no-one could have possibly invented them either.
I notice "atomic bomb" is on the list. Quite frankly that should never have been invented.

I'm naive?
Don't worry, when you grow up and get big, you'll get it.

Oh, and the atomic bomb won the war, by the way.
It also paved the way for nuclear power.

Who exactly is the naive one again?

Hypocrite. I notice you didn't bother to re-argue with me on the 1st point.
As for the atomic bomb, you could have quite easily won the war without it. Guess what else it led to...the frikken COLD WAR
If you have such a dogmatic attitude, I suggest you stay out of adult conversations. I repeat, you are naive.

Iz man said it perfectly, MM stop telling people that they are wrong and actually think of how much the US has done to help the world.

Where, in my ranting, have I said he's wrong? Hmmmm?

[Iz Man]

Of course it saved American lives, oh, but only at the price of thousands of Japanese lives instead. But that doesn't matter to you does it? Tw@t.

No, not really.
Unfortunately, many Japanese people had to suffer for the decisions of their Imperialist regime.
I don't feel bad that thousands of Japanese died because the U.S. made a decision that saved thousands of Americans.

[luns101]

Hey Minister Masket, one of your countrymen just misquoted what I said. Take a look...

Jesus fucking christ, not another American who thinks hes better than everyone else. If it wasnt for Britain, your country wouldnt even fucking exist, you should be thankful.

What I actually said was...

Very happy to be living in the greatest country on earth. Every time I get back here from someplace else, it's a wonderful experience. Happy 4th to all fellow Americans!

This is your big chance to be consistent and tell Nickbaldwin that he should "learn how to read". Let's see if you seize the opportunity.

[luns101]

If it wasnt for Britain, your country wouldnt even fucking exist, you should be thankful.

So using your logic, if it weren't for the Angles, your country wouldn't even exist. They came from the Germanic tribes. Are you going to start paying homage to Germany now?

[luns101]

Thank you for being mature enough to disagree without labeling or the usual childish name-calling.

You are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to mine. I love this country and I love living here...except for the Cleveland Indians.

You are entitled to your opinion, and i am entitled to mine. My opinion is that your opinion, i.e. "greatest country on earth" is moronic, uneducated, arrogant, jingoistic, blathering tripe. There - that's my opinion, and as you say, i'm entitled to it.

I notice you completely ignored my point about the Cleveland Indians.

[magneticgoop]

fyi everyone who said we kicked britain ass in the revolutionary war probably dont know that it was because they were also fighting a war in europe and couldnt give the war in america their full attention or all their whole army. anyways happy 4th and enjoy the fireworks!

what war exactly and still WE WIN YOU LOOSE the US fought a 2 front war in WWII and that didnt stop us

[DeCaptain]

i see you completely ignored the fact my location says i live in minnesota and i wasnt rippin the us just statin facts. also you forgot to mention how we came into ww2 years after it started thus our troops were fresh while every other country had been fighting for years. of course we would have been sucessfull.

[magneticgoop]

i see you completely ignored the fact my location says i live in minnesota and i wasnt rippin the us just statin facts. also you forgot to mention how we came into ww2 years after it started thus our troops were fresh while every other country had been fighting for years. of course we would have been sucessfull.

sorry didnt see the location but still what war? and in WWII we fought japan by ourselves and germans at the same time

[DeCaptain]

i was talkin about the revolutionary war previously. and we were not fighting germany alone in ww2. we fought them in the west with britain and others (excuse me for not going into detail here but its midnight and im tired) and russia attacked germany from the east. EDIT: sry i misunderstood thought u said we fought germany alone...im tired

[UCAbears]

what is this day about?
i hear it a lot but dont know why it is so special
anyone care to explain?

... Duh.... common knowledge, man.

... The 4th of July is Independence Day. It was the day Aliens came to Earth, blew up the White House and caused all manner of trouble....

... Until Will Smith and some other guy flew up to their mother ship and infected it with a virus... thus infecting all the smaller ships, which is when we kicked their butts!

... Man, you need to brush up on your history.

...

good movie

[luns101]

/me ignores all previous posts


Happy Birthday USA!

Thank you!

[Neutrino]

Its easy to figure out why the eurotrash et all hate the U.S.

Its because in just over 200 years, America has become the most prosperous & powerful nation on earth. The Euros had an additional 1000+ years to accomplish what America has and failed.
Why? Because America is beholden to its people. Not a queen, not a king, not a dictator. Its people.
This is why Americans were first to invent:
the cotton gin
coffee pot
profile lathe (did the work of 13 men)
reaping machine
sewing machine
threshing machine
the revolver
Ether Anesthesia
Oil well
repeating rifle
roller skates
barbed wire
telephone
light bulb
electric fan
skyscraper
hearing aid
mimeograph
escalator
motion picture camera
air conditioner
airplane
assembly line production
radio astronomy
modern television
chair lift
nylon
Defibrillator
microwave oven
atomic bomb
carbon dating
polaroid camera
heart-lung machine
nuclear submarine
polio vaccine
integrated circuit
oral contraceptive
laser
operating system (IBM)
Apollo 11 - first on the moon
barcode
space shuttle
artificial heart
Hubble Telescope

and (go figure)............. the internet

The Space Shuttle is a flying piece of inefficient and hideously expensive crap, you only went to the Moon to show the Russians up (and very nearly didn't go) and Americans didn't invent the telescope, you just have the biggest one (making up for something, maybe... )

All of those things would have been invented elseware, even if it was a few years later. The only reason that Americans did it first is that you have such a large resource surplus from all the smaller and less advanced countries that you have been exploiting.

I don't get this entire "My country is better than your country" thing. People the world over are basically the same. Being born in America dosen't automatically make you hard-working and intelligent, in just the same way that being born in a Middle Eastern country dosen't automatically make you a terrorist.

[luns101]

I don't get this entire "My country is better than your country" thing. People the world over are basically the same.

While you were addressing Iz Man, I'd like to respond to this. When I was saying that I live in the "best country in the world" I'm not saying that I think Americans are better than other people of the world. I'm just extremely happy to be here and live in such a wonderful country. I'm not sure why that is such a terrible thing to say. Anyway, that's probably where most of the confusion is coming from here in this thread.

I'm sure lots of people feel patriotic towards their respective countries.

[Jenos Ridan]

The Space Shuttle is a flying piece of inefficient and hideously expensive crap, you only went to the Moon to show the Russians up (and very nearly didn't go) and Americans didn't invent the telescope, you just have the biggest one (making up for something, maybe... )

All of those things would have been invented elseware, even if it was a few years later. The only reason that Americans did it first is that you have such a large resource surplus from all the smaller and less advanced countries that you have been exploiting.

I don't get this entire "My country is better than your country" thing. People the world over are basically the same. Being born in America dosen't automatically make you hard-working and intelligent, in just the same way that being born in a Middle Eastern country dosen't automatically make you a terrorist.

On the middle point: If resources are the only factor in development, then why is Africa so helplessly backwards? Last I'd heard, Africa has more resources than the USA. And they had just as much time as the Europeans. Exploitation? We didn't get into what is commanly labeled 'Imperialism' until the Spanish-American war. And by every logical assessment, we still aren't in that business.

So the Un-Manned Programs are cheaper, the Manned flights are now getting to the point where now private companies can in the near future run their own manned space programs. Sometimes you have to spend it to earn it. And the Moon landing was an incredible leap in many areas of industry, science and even public education (thanks to Eisenhower signing the National Defence and Education Act, which increased federal funding for math and science classes in the grade schools, college aid, etc.). Correction, we have the largest ORBITAL telescope. The largest operational terrestrial telescope is probably somewhere in the States, but the point remains.

The whole "Mine is better than yours" is called Patriotism. Or Nationalism, if you're of that persuasion.

[Jenos Ridan]

I don't get this entire "My country is better than your country" thing. People the world over are basically the same.

While you were addressing Iz Man, I'd like to respond to this. When I was saying that I live in the "best country in the world" I'm not saying that I think Americans are better than other people of the world. I'm just extremely happy to be here and live in such a wonderful country. I'm not sure why that is such a terrible thing to say. Anyway, that's probably where most of the confusion is coming from here in this thread.

I'm sure lots of people feel patriotic towards their respective countries.

Everyone who has any respect for their country should feel patriotic. Well said luns.

[Minister Masket]

Why? Because America is beholden to its people. Not a queen, not a king, not a dictator. Its people.

I wouldn't be too sure of that if I were you. Have you ever heard the phrase: "With-held for government purposes"?
Face it, your government is shadier than Shadow the Hedgehog and keeps a hell of a lot of secrets from it's own people.

[reverend_kyle]

Cigars to celebrate and light the fuse on fireworks with.


It was a fun day.

[Neutrino]

I don't get this entire "My country is better than your country" thing. People the world over are basically the same.

While you were addressing Iz Man, I'd like to respond to this. When I was saying that I live in the "best country in the world" I'm not saying that I think Americans are better than other people of the world. I'm just extremely happy to be here and live in such a wonderful country. I'm not sure why that is such a terrible thing to say. Anyway, that's probably where most of the confusion is coming from here in this thread.

I'm sure lots of people feel patriotic towards their respective countries.

But how is America better than other countries?

Your sheer amount of personal freedom, excellent legal and healthcare systems and the availability of resources and manufactured goods?

Your legal and healthcare systems are a joke. The fact that the judge who is sueing that laundromat for 65 million for loosing a pair of pants hasn't been quietly taken outside and shot, and 2 hours waiting in hospitals proves this.
Your constitution is being screwed over left, right and centre. At the current rate, the USA will soon become akin to Communist China. The fact the President gained dictatorial powers proves this.
The reason you have access to so much of the worlds resources is your economic theory actively encourages buisnessmen to go off any buy up resources from the natives for the equivalent of shiny pebbles. This was discussed in the Marxist thread.
Rich man comes into a poor, subsistance farming area and buys up all the land which belongs to the local farmers. The farmers think they are getting a great deal, while in reality they are being payed far below what their land is actually worth. Rich man imports heavy agriculture machinery, kicks the former farmers off his land and turns what was their means of feeding themselves into a giant cash-crop farm. Since there is now no local food production, the former farmers are forced to move elseware.
Rich man - slightly richer, poor farmers - house and job-less

Your Space program; the greatest in the world?

Your Space Program is also a joke and your only means of delivering significant masses into orbit (the Space Shuttle) is the result of a bad compromise; it neither fufills it's role as a cheap, re-usable transport, or as a War Plane.
While the Moon landings did provide a boost too several industries, they were ultimatly a political gesture and nothing more. As soon as it was discovered that there was nothing immediatly useful on the Moon, the entire thing was abandoned.
If America was serious about the entire "Pioneers" thing, then their greatest success in Space shouldn't have ended 30 years ago; it should be happening right now.

Please tell, what benifit does blindly supporting your country give? What happens if the USA massacre hundreds of unarmed civilians, like the Chinese did? Will you still be "Patriotic" then?
Patriotism only serves to widen rifts between countries and cause fights between individuals.
What possible benifit does that bring?

[Minister Masket]

The funny thing is...you can't actually prove you went to the moon at all! I saw a program once about the many mysteries concerning Apollo 11 (ie: wind blowing when there is no wind) and how the whole thing could have been faked in a studio.